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ILN (100 D)
10 Mar 14 UTC
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Somalians happy NGO's are out
http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2014/03/somali-farmers-benefit-from-al-shabab-reforms-201431053038814400.html
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Vampiero (3525 D)
10 Mar 14 UTC
Hey join this game
Has some strong players should be fun http://www.webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=137638
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Octavious (2701 D)
10 Mar 14 UTC
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Kim Jong-un's Popularity Stagnates
There's concern for the North Korean leader today as election results become known. Despite his best efforts to establish himself with the people, the percentage of the vote won by Kim in his district was on a par with the poorest performing candidates across the nation. Those election results in full below:
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Dharmaton (2398 D)
09 Mar 14 UTC
Fall of the American Empire IV Tactics
this variant of 10 players has the highest necessary SC points to win ratio 34:24 (58 "cities" in all) - that's a lot, please discuss.
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Fasces349 (0 DX)
08 Mar 14 UTC
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Rape Culture
So one of my female friends informed me 10 minutes ago that today is international Womens Rights day, or some shit like that, and it sprang a short debate about various women's right issues. Can someone please explain to me the merits of believing in rape culture, cause it just sounds like pure bullshit to me.
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Yellowjacket (835 D(B))
08 Mar 14 UTC
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Hey krellin (and everybody)
http://gizmodo.com/over-120-science-journal-papers-pulled-for-being-total-1534110496

Here's an article you can use against me in the future :) Enjoy.
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josunice (3702 D(S))
08 Mar 14 UTC
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Notice on Message Posted in Finished Games
Please enable a notice at the top when a message is posted in a finished game. GB games end and people post but you need to dig and look back to see if someone posted.
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SYnapse (0 DX)
28 Feb 14 UTC
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Europe vs Russia
Who wins?
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ssorenn (0 DX)
10 Mar 14 UTC
Mod cancels games
I was just in a game, where it was canceled because the mods said someone might be cheating. While I understand why the game was stopped,but why was it canceled, and not allowed to find someone to replace the cheater?
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jmo1121109 (3812 D)
21 Feb 14 UTC
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CD Takeover Offer
There are plenty of open CD positions. For the next two weeks if you post here, or pm me for gunboats, you will get reimbursed if you take over a position that does not have the most supply centers on the board.
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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
07 Mar 14 UTC
Russians to Welcome Crimean Secession?
http://news.yahoo.com/top-lawmaker-russia-welcome-crimea-152337948.html Let's keep this one specific, given that we already have a main thread for the Crisis in Ukraine: 1. Your thoughts on Crimea's stated intention to secede and Russia's warm response, 2. SHOULD Crimea secede, 3. WILL it happen and 4. SHOULD Crimea be considered "Russia," as these demonstrators seem to think?
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Draugnar (0 DX)
08 Mar 14 UTC
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henceforth his ne shall be Joseunich...
For he is a dickless wonder.
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Fasces349 (0 DX)
03 Mar 14 UTC
Why Professors should give the students their midterms and exams back
I've always hated how most professors don't let you look at a midterm or exam after righting it. I'm always convinced that its because they're lazy fucks who want to keep the exam the same every year and don't do it to prevent us from being able to sell said exams to our underclassmen. Below is the list of reasons why I strongly think profs should give students their marked midterms and exams back
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josunice (3702 D(S))
08 Mar 14 UTC
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Draugnar Bails
Good game all, except our host who bailed in 1904A when a draw of Austria didn't turn his way (gameID=135791). Guess he wasn't "addicted" enough...
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oscarjd74 (100 D)
09 Mar 14 UTC
Why do we need 3 threads about Draugnar's gunboat game?
Oh wait, now it's 4.
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Draugnar (0 DX)
08 Mar 14 UTC
hey, josunice! Man up!
Admit you're a moron who can't read a diplomacy results map, asshole!
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josunice (3702 D(S))
08 Mar 14 UTC
To thin the draw or not thin... that is the question...
I think it an added dimension to the on-line game and like the extra dynamics and strategy it affords. Particularly in GB where there is no collusion. Earn your place in the draw or punish a grabber by throwing a solo... all part of the game.
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Yellowjacket (835 D(B))
07 Mar 14 UTC
Dominions 3
Does anybody else play this gem? I discovered it a week ago and want to test my skills.

http://www.illwinter.com/dom3/
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murraysheroes (526 D(B))
07 Mar 14 UTC
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What's the best lesson you've learned in a Diplomacy game?
Game-related lesson, that is. While I'm not big on the forum, I do like reading the game-related threads from time to time. The "Letting your ally win" discussion spurred the above question for me. My answer below.
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Gobbledydook (1389 D(B))
05 Mar 14 UTC
Vote Game
Let us organise a vote game where you may vote on the moves of any country you wish. You can even vote for dumb moves for the country you do not like !
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krellin (80 DX)
08 Mar 14 UTC
Offensive Indian Headdress
http://news.yahoo.com/daughter-okla-governor-defends-headdress-photo-183205269.html
Insensitive bitch. And while we are at it, I wish those damned Indians would stop wearing those European fashions. Back to your loin cloths, savages!!!
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Micah-El (233 D)
08 Mar 14 UTC
Gunboat Games
I know this is rather uninformed, but what exactly is a "Gunboat" game...
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y2kjbk (4846 D(G))
17 Feb 14 UTC
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Gunboat/Press hybrid game
I just thought about the idea of playing a game where the first year is full press through the 1901 builds, and the game turns to gunboat after the fact. It would essentially be a gunboat game that can have crazier openings and break the mold of having very similar 1901 years from game to game. Anyone interested in trying this out?
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wiltarded (0 DX)
07 Mar 14 UTC
Can a moderator unpause our game?
Our Game: http://www.webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=135643
Was paused to allow a user to switch out, but we can't unpause it on account of 1 afk user. Can we get this unpaused?
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2ndWhiteLine (2611 D(B))
06 Mar 14 UTC
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userID=60000
Lets all take a second to welcome another milestone user, peterv, userID=60000. I hope he sticks around longer than userID=50000 :)
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Mama (317 D)
07 Mar 14 UTC
Letting Your Ally Win
I recently played two PPSC games (a normal world gameID=132877,and a modern gunboat gameID=132764), in both of which a player decided not to attack the leader, resulting the leader to solo and the other coming in second. Do you think letting your ally win is ever acceptable?
Mama (317 D)
07 Mar 14 UTC
Let me explain my reasons why not to hinder Poland in the modern gunboat game.

Of course, it made me feel a bit unpleasant letting someone else win. On the other hand, it would also have felt unpleasant had I stabbed my ally
solely because he was doing well. A stab would probably have resulted in a draw or Poland soloing anyway with my SC's. I never really
had a shot for a solo, so why not make the best result I can get?

Because after all, it was a PPSC game. If you want to maximize your points, you'll want to have a lot of SC's in the end. Not attacking the leader and securing second place
- as annoying as it may be - got me more points in the end than a draw would have (only a few, but more). This may be the result why many dislike PPSC, but
should that affect my play in a PPSC game? In a WTA, letting anyone else win would obviously be out of the question.

I guess it's a question of your goals - do you prefer points or a draw in your statistics. Also, it's a matter of reputation - in future non-anon games
my opponents will look at my previous games and see that if I make an alliance, I'm not easy to abandon it.
abgemacht (1076 D(G))
07 Mar 14 UTC
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Don't play PPSC...
Draugnar (0 DX)
07 Mar 14 UTC
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Don't play PPSC...
Draugnar (0 DX)
07 Mar 14 UTC
"in future non-anon games
my opponents will look at my previous games and see that if I make an alliance, I'm not easy to abandon it. "

In other words, he expects others to metagame, so he probably does this himself. Remind me to only ever play anon with this turkey.
Draugnar (0 DX)
07 Mar 14 UTC
And did Mama just answer him/herself?
Mapu (362 D)
07 Mar 14 UTC
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"Remind me to only ever play anon with this turkey."

How will you know when he gets Turkey?
Draugnar (0 DX)
07 Mar 14 UTC
LOL! That was good, Mapu.
kasimax (243 D)
07 Mar 14 UTC
i was france in that modern gunboat game, and to be honest mama, i really really hated what you did there (i guess you already know that from my global message afterwards). but i guess it is my fault, since it was ppsc.
i simply don't get it though. you would have gained as much points as you got anyway, even if you did help stopping him. so ppsc is not an excuse here. also, in your statistics a draw looks a lot better than a survive.

tl;dr, as abge and draug said: don't ever play PPSC.
Fasces349 (0 DX)
07 Mar 14 UTC
"Do you think letting your ally win is ever acceptable?"
I'd rather draw/let a loyal ally solo then stab someone for the solo myself.
Draugnar (0 DX)
07 Mar 14 UTC
@Fasces - That wasn't the question. But it does tell me something about what kind of player you are and give me something to use against you in the future. so thanks for that.
steephie22 (182 D(S))
07 Mar 14 UTC
So this has been bugging me for a while...

What does tl;dr mean?

Also, don't play PPSC.

Losing is quite fun in this game, so you don't need the 'everybody is a winner' crap.
kasimax (243 D)
07 Mar 14 UTC
steephie, there's this wonderful device called google, not sure if you've heard of it :)
steephie22 (182 D(S))
07 Mar 14 UTC
@Draugnar: are you writing that down then? Memorizing it? That Fasces is a carebear?
Draugnar (0 DX)
07 Mar 14 UTC
To Long; Didn't Read (tl;dr)
2ndWhiteLine (2611 D(B))
07 Mar 14 UTC
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"What does tl;dr mean?"

Its another webdip inside joke. Its an abbreviation for "Talk to you later, Draugnar". When someone posts "tl;dr" it means they are waiting for Draug's reply.
Draugnar (0 DX)
07 Mar 14 UTC
Filed away in the back of the brain for unconscious application in the future. I don't actively metagame, but one can't help but have tidbits like that subconsciously affect their game.
Fasces349 (0 DX)
07 Mar 14 UTC
"@Fasces - That wasn't the question."
The question is whether it can be appropriate to let an ally win, and the answer is a most definite yes.

"@Fasces - That wasn't the question. But it does tell me something about what kind of player you are and give me something to use against you in the future. so thanks for that."
Too bad I retired from diplomacy last October, and have only played 1 special rules game since then...

I only go to this site for the political debates, lol
Draugnar (0 DX)
07 Mar 14 UTC
Look at Mr. "Funny Guy" Mod pointing fun at one of the sites biggest contributors... :-P
2ndWhiteLine (2611 D(B))
07 Mar 14 UTC
Its helpful shorthand.

tl;dr
Draugnar (0 DX)
07 Mar 14 UTC
But see, Fasces, I disagree. Of course, that is why I don't play PPSC.
steephie22 (182 D(S))
07 Mar 14 UTC
@kasimax: first result gave me "timeline" (context seems to be twitter)
Second result gave me too long; didn't read which makes no sense to me in this context.
Fasces349 (0 DX)
07 Mar 14 UTC
I've done it in WTA, I don't care about points or winning, I play to have fun.
steephie22 (182 D(S))
07 Mar 14 UTC
Thanks Draugnar.

Still makes little sense to me in this context.
Draugnar (0 DX)
07 Mar 14 UTC
Mama's second post was what kasimax considers long. It wasn't an obi-post, but to each his own.
murraysheroes (526 D(B))
07 Mar 14 UTC
I'd still rather have a survive than a defeat. PPSC or WTA, I'll go the Janissary route and help another player solo if my choices are between a draw that doesn't involve me and a solo that I'm still around until the end. I do tend to give the rest of the board notice first, though. (i.e. "Russia's a solo threat, and there's no way I can fight him and survive on my own. If I can't get some assistance in fighting him, I'll have no other choice but to toss him some of my centers and support him for the solo.") It's a good threat, and an important part of a good threat is the actual follow-through.

If it's between stabbing an ally and getting a draw, or remaining loyal and getting a survive, though, I'll stab every time. Same thing with a draw or a win...I don't care how much I like you, if I can improve my position by stabbing an ally (survive-draw or draw-solo), I'm going to do it.
Draugnar (0 DX)
07 Mar 14 UTC
Now, I agree with that murray. It's one of the things I make a point of in press. We can stop the solo or I can give it to the big guy if you attack me. If I'm not part of the draw because the other guys are just trying to reduce the size, I make certain the big guy gets the solo.
Jefe (100 D(S))
07 Mar 14 UTC
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You're fine Mama. Ignore the rest. Yours is a style of play I usually do myself. I like to stay friendly with my allies, even if they will win, WTA or not. If it is very close, then a draw between allies is acceptable and is probably rude of the winner to deny a draw. If one pulls further ahead, then it is rude to hold up the game (beyond a pair of turns) for the other to catch up. That said, it is only my opinion and anyone can do what they want, as long as they don't cheat.

You will get grief from those who don't like it if you don't play the way they expect. They will bully you through the game's message tabs (when messaging is turned on), e-mail the Mods accusing you of cheating, or complain about the game in the forums. There is enough cheating that does go on that it is sometimes hard to tell, so mistakes will occasionally be made.

Lastly, if someone can research you to determine that they can take advantage of your loyalty, you can also research other players to find out who regularly betrays their allies.
Draugnar (0 DX)
07 Mar 14 UTC
"if I can improve my position by stabbing an ally (survive-draw or draw-solo), I'm going to do it. "

The risk of the of the big guy soloing though must be taken into consideration especially in the survive draw. If the guy you stab is on the front line, weakening him may allow the solo to happen that much faster and result in you having a survive. My rule of thumb is to stab if it doesn't put the draw at risk. Otherwise, if my allies are doing everything to sotp the solo and I'm just being eaten by the big guy, I offer up centers and tell my allies to take them. In those cases, I'd rather the defeat and see the big guy stopped, then survive and see the big guy solo. But the others have to wait until I say "I'm not gonna make it, come draw strength from my SCs."
Draugnar (0 DX)
07 Mar 14 UTC
@Jefe - I play as the creator of the game(not Kestas, but Allan Calhamer) and his view was you do whatever it takes to win. This isn't a carebear game for 3 year olds.
JECE (1248 D)
07 Mar 14 UTC
Draugnar: But that sort of meta-gaming is quite acceptable.

Mama: If you've been good allies, sharing a 17-17 draw is the ultimate goal of friendship. Even in PPSC games, just letting an ally win for no reason is a little silly. If, however, your ally has saved or spared you from elimination, then sure, by all means, get your points and help that ally win to (respectively) exact your revenge on the others or show your graditude. Especially in games where you take over minor positions, this is often the best way to ensure your survival and get a small but profitable reward points. In particular, in games in which you've been reduced to (or started out with) a single SC, helping another player win and just hoping you end up on a stalemate line with a draw is the only viable route to take. I guess my views are influenced by how personally unacceptable I find letting myself get eliminated. But that's not quite for the official stats, though, since the official statistics include games in which you've taken over minor positions and are for this reason mostly useless to me (ditto with the Ghost-Rating).
Jefe (100 D(S))
07 Mar 14 UTC
Draugnar, that may explain why I do not win so much! :)
JECE (1248 D)
07 Mar 14 UTC
'reward in points', not "reward points"
JECE (1248 D)
07 Mar 14 UTC
"If one pulls further ahead, then it is rude to hold up the game (beyond a pair of turns) for the other to catch up."

Jefe, made a very good point here. Otherwise you end up with situations like this: gameID=12239.
Ogion (3882 D)
07 Mar 14 UTC
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tl; dr - too long, didn't read.

I'm with Murray and, if I may be so bold, Triumvir. It is summed up thus: Win if you can, draw if you must, survive at all costs. Triumvir in particular has not yet been defeated, which is quite impressive.

So, if the stab leaves me in a better position of converting a survive into a draw, then yes I will do it, but if you find yourself in a situation where a draw is in the works that doesn't include you, then I would absolutely say that you should go Jannissary loudly to try to guarantee yourself a favorable result. In effect, you are trying to break up the draw group by offering one of them a better position and inducing them to take it.

The other time I've seen people throw a game is when one of the potential draw mates have so poisoned the well that one or more other players are simply not willing to help them. Spite can be a valuable motivator and played up if you can. Both strategies can be quite tough to pull off, though.

Of course, PPSC is an entirely different endgame in which long term alliances are easier to maintain since both players get something out of it.
Ogion (3882 D)
07 Mar 14 UTC
of course, the appropriate counter strategy is to offer the jannissary a better deal. If that is happening and you think they can pull off the solo for their ally, then cut them in on the draw and see if you can flip them to your side
JECE (1248 D)
07 Mar 14 UTC
Ogion: Exactly, survival is key. I've actually only been eliminated once and the game was no press.
Ogion (3882 D)
07 Mar 14 UTC
And then there's a counter-counter-jannisary. COnvince the minor players that if you are blocked, you'll give up SCs to the two strongest opponents in the draw and then gobble them up to reduce the size of the draw.
yebellz (729 D(G))
07 Mar 14 UTC
Ah, the age-old debate about the validity of the strong second. Here's what the game's creator thought:

http://www.diplom.org/~diparch/resources/calhamer/objectives.htm
Octavious (2701 D)
07 Mar 14 UTC
It is acceptable to let you ally win, but only if you're ally is a Wookie.

Personally I would never do it. A bit of brinkmanship is all well and good, but pushing someone to undeserved glory is not what I'd consider good play. I have had people help me to a win once or twice and it left a bad taste in the mouth.
Octavious (2701 D)
07 Mar 14 UTC
Your*
Putin33 (111 D)
07 Mar 14 UTC
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It's on the same level as those who demand a draw before an impasse is reached.


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krellin (80 DX)
06 Mar 14 UTC
How to Stop Being a Cynical Asshole
http://lifehacker.com/how-to-stop-being-a-cynical-asshole-1537302138

Good lord, there IS a cure for me. Nahhhhh....this is *complete* bullshit...
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Jamiet99uk (873 D)
06 Mar 14 UTC
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VLADIMIR PUTIN
..... is just Dave Mustaine out of Megadeth, without his wig.

Proof here: http://9gag.com/gag/6545738/vladimir-putin-and-dave-mustaine
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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
06 Mar 14 UTC
An Open Question to Putin33: What Do YOU Want in the World?
What do you want with regards to Eastern-Western Relations? With Putin's intervention in the Crimea and the Ukraine crisis on the whole? Syria, where you and I differ again? Israel/Palestine, where you and I differ again (which I find interesting given that I want them to have their own state and have criticized the Israeli encroachment into the West Bank, but I digress.) If you could have EXACTLY what you wanted in each scenario, snap your fingers and it's done--what would you WANT?
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krellin (80 DX)
06 Mar 14 UTC
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18 Year Old Girl Sues Parents
http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/05/living/nj-teen-sues-parents-for-college-education/

How much do you want to bet that little chickie-poo is a Libtard. An "I'm Entitled To It Because I Was Born" Liberal bitch? You know...a product of living 6 of her 18 years under a President that told her every day that she deserves to be given everything...
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