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captainmeme (1126 D Mod)
08 May 14 UTC
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WebDiplomacy Mafia II: vDiplomacy Invasion
NOTE: The rules for this game are almost exactly the same as for the last one, but with changes to the TIE-RESOLUTION METHOD and the additions of the MOLE and QUESTION ASKER roles. If you read the rules in the last thread, you can just skip to these sections in this one, as the rest is the same. If you did not, it is strongly advised you read the whole of the below post.
The post has been copied from PE’s post (with his permission) with edits to reflect the changes.
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ghug (5046 D (B))
28 May 14 UTC
You always know whether the number is odd or even. As the group gets smaller, you can use that in conjunction with your reads to make informed guesses.
Gtlblx (845 D)
28 May 14 UTC
The sum question is far superior, because the information it gives improves as you catch more Mafia, and limits the different possible combinations of Mafia.
ghug (5046 D (B))
28 May 14 UTC
Yeah, that's why I like it better, but if you're smart the odd-even question can be nearly as useful.
@Gtblx: That was exactly the point I was trying to make, which is why I prefered my own question (though in hindsight it was a bad question) and backed the sum one.
captainmeme (1126 D Mod)
28 May 14 UTC
So, I'll go into my initial thoughts on the QA role...

We (Jmo and I, as we both set up the game even though I ended up doing the GMing) wanted to vary the game a little from the previous one, but since neither of us were veterans of the game we didn't want to change it too much, as we did not know how many of each we would need to balance it.

Jmo came up with the mole and QA roles. Initially, the QA could ask (iirc) 3 yes/no questions, one per night, and they would be answered by the GM in the thread. His questions also did not counter the mole or the copscan immune SK. The idea behind this was we brought in a new role for the town (QA) and a counter for the mafia (Mole).

We decided this was way too overpowered, so we set about lowering the power of the QA. We made his ability a one-shot one, and at the same time, I came up with the idea that instead of the mole being a counter to the QA, the QA should be a counter to the mole, otherwise the role is too similar to that of the cop. I'm still not sure if this was the best idea, but it seemed so at the time so we made the QA's question bypass scan immunities.

With the scan immunity bypass, though, the QA was overpowered again. At the time, I had not thought of the type of questions that came up in this thread (I was thinking he would ask things like is there a mafia member among X, Y, Z) but I was aware people may find a very good question that I had not thought of. I tried to come up with a way to make the QA's role more interesting to play while at the same time reducing his power.

The idea of the question being answered on his death seemed great, as it adds a completely new dynamic to the role. The QA's question is much, much more powerful if asked late game (While you can make questions that stay relevant towards the end game when asked at the start, the question can become a lot more direct and foolproof when asked when there are less people around), so the QA wants to survive the early game. However, the town can't afford to waste a lynch on him in the late game, so he needs to get the mafia or the SK to kill him, which they won't do if they know he's the QA. Therefore, he needs to survive to the end game without revealing his role, and then make himself a target for the mafia/SK and get himself night killed.

Of course, all of this depends on the QA's aim being to die. The QA using his role to make sure he wouldn't die had not occurred to me - I figured that if he was going to be lynched at any point he would go with it, as it benefits the town, or if he didn't want to die yet he would roleclaim and then ask the town to lynch him at a later time. The QA becoming an invincible townie was not what I had in mind when making the role, and I think it defeats the point of the role - roles are supposed to make the game more interesting, but this just allows one person to sit out of the game with no fear of dying to lynch or kill.

If there was some way to make dying much more preferable to becoming an invincible town player to the QA, without making his power overpowered, then I think the role would be great and build on the game. However, in its current state it's a destructive role to the game rather than a constructive one, so I don't think it should be used in future games.
For me, this game, I didnt have it figured out from the start either. I can remember my first question, but it was properly vanilla like the ones Chaqa suggested. I was aiming for a nightkill, (although I may just not have the appropriately agreesive playing style to get to that), but I had decided that it would be better - almost in all cases - to day-lynch anybody else except a confirmed townie.

However, the proper formulation of The Question came only later. Had I had this question from the start, I think I would have played differenty. In fact, I would have roleclaimed day 1 and insisted to have been lynched. This question is the gift that keeps on giving. When done at Day 1, it gives an objective measure with which you can really root out the scum systematically.
guak (3381 D)
28 May 14 UTC
@captainmeme: how about just prohibiting the role is revealed? That should reduce the QA's power.
captainmeme (1126 D Mod)
28 May 14 UTC
Putting restrictions on what a person can post is not something that should happen in Mafia, IMO. It's far too hard to regulate this, as you have to rely on the GM's judgement as to whether people cross the line - for example, the person hinting at themselves being the QA, but not directly stating so. How obvious does it have to be before it breaks the rules?

What might work is if the QA doesn't know they are the QA until they die, and then they submit a question, but that removes the different objectives the QA has that makes the role interesting. I think it'll need quite a bit more thought before it's a constructive yet interesting role, so it's probably best that it's put to the side for the next game(s).
Gtlblx (845 D)
28 May 14 UTC
If you want to limit the QA power you should mke it so that the question is answered only if the QA is lynched. That way it wouldn't provide protection from nightkills.

Though it would still be a big bonus for the town, in this case the correct play would clearly be to claim and get lynched on D1 with the sum question.
That would only lose you one player and give the town the answer. Whole different game.
Chaqa (3362 D (B))
28 May 14 UTC
Let the QA commit suicide at night
Gtlblx (845 D)
28 May 14 UTC
Letting the QA commit suicide at night would just add to its power. The Town wouldn't need to waste a lynch, and the QA wouldn't need to rely on mafia/sk for his death.
damian (675 D)
28 May 14 UTC
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Let the Mafia roleblock prevent the question from being answered. Then it makes the reveal dangerous.
Gtlblx (845 D)
29 May 14 UTC
^ +1
ghug (5046 D (B))
29 May 14 UTC
I still think the best option is replacing the role with something else, but that would be the best fix.
pjmansfield99 (127 D)
29 May 14 UTC
So dare I ask (despite the way it sucks my life away....) when are we doing another one?

Yes, yes I'm an addict


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JECE (1322 D)
16 May 14 UTC
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Ranking of web-based Diplomacy websites VIII
It has been over two years since the last time I did a ranking. This time I decided to try a new website:
http://www.similarweb.com/

For some prior statistics, see threadID=477664, threadID=489951, threadID=513357, threadID=535114, threadID=538014, threadID=662728 and threadID=815834.
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Bayclown (0 D X)
23 May 14 UTC
Openings?
Any good places/web pages to read about various openings and strategies for each country?
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yebellz (729 D (G))
28 May 14 UTC
YELL AT EACH OTHER IN ALL CAPS HERE
LET'S YELL AT EACH OTHER IN ALL CAPS!

YOU'RE NOT VERY SMART AND YOUR MOTHER IS UNPLEASANT
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Tru Ninja (1016 D (S))
28 May 14 UTC
Wife out of town, considering a possible live game tonight
My wife is going to be out of town with the kids. I will be home in 3 and a half hours. I have not played a live game on this site, so I thought I'd check to see interest.
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Al Swearengen (0 D X)
27 May 14 UTC
Taking A Short Break
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semck83 (229 D (B))
27 May 14 UTC
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What is the worst song (or music) to have stuck in your head?
WARNING: DO NOT READ THIS THREAD.

Proceed.
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yebellz (729 D (G))
13 May 14 UTC
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Let's Go! ●○
Let's play go!
Rules: Play to win, learn, and have fun. You can only play for one color. You cannot move two turns in a row. Public discussion within this thread is allowed.
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Lando Calrissian (281 D (S))
19 Feb 14 UTC
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OFFICIAL 2014 GUNBOAT TOURNAMENT
Update inside

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Draugnar (0 D X)
26 May 14 UTC
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Memorial Day
Only patriots need post.

Lance Corporal Robert Bolin - U.S Marine Corps - 1984-1988. I am thankful for all those sailors, soldiers, airmen, and Marines who went before, allowing me to have a life of moderate luxury in a nation where anyone who applies himself can climb the ranks.
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Maniac (344 D (B))
27 May 14 UTC
What would you do?
gameID=14070
Scroll forward to Spring 1912 - what should Turkey's moves be? And why.
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Yellowjacket (835 D (B))
26 May 14 UTC
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Honor to the Fallen
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_w5JlDn9WCw

Thanks, servants of the empire. I appreciate the cheap oil and the extra day off.
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bo_sox48 (4834 D Mod (G))
26 May 14 UTC
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Why Do You All Respond to mapleleaf?
He's an ugly ass bitch with no life, so he sits behind a computer screen and gets his blood flowing by pissing you all off. Don't respond to him, just tell him to fuck off and move on.
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Maniac (344 D (B))
26 May 14 UTC
New Reliability Game
Just finished a game with no NMRs. Can reliable players interested in playing post here with their preference for buy-in, PPSC/WTA, phase length and press. I prefer 24hr modest buy-in - happy with Gunboat, full press or global. Happy with PPSC or WTA
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NigeeBaby (100 D (G))
27 May 14 UTC
All Capitalists take note ..... the times they are a changin'
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-27517577
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semck83 (229 D (B))
27 May 14 UTC
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Happy Memorial Day
Hello,

In honor (kind of) of Memorial Day, I give you this awesome letter from a WWII soldier to his newborn son. (The writer happened to be a friend's grandfather).
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steephie22 (182 D (S))
26 May 14 UTC
Black holes and magnetism
One of my thought experiments somehow got me here, and now I'd like to know what's known and what's unknown about the combination.
Although actual explanations are preferred, links work too I suppose.
17 replies
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SYnapse (0 D X)
26 May 14 UTC
(+1)
Legal advice thread
Please post your legislative and legal inquiries here and only here
4 replies
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Jamiet99uk (202 D)
26 May 14 UTC
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Baby Rapist Accusations Thread
Utilize this thread by accusing other users of raping babies here and only here.
14 replies
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mapleleaf (0 D X)
26 May 14 UTC
Saw Colm Feore as King Lear...
...at the Festival Theatre in Stratford, Ontario on Saturday night.
6 replies
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Strauss (3384 D)
25 May 14 UTC
The biggest Idiot ever on WebDip
18 replies
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Maniac (344 D (B))
24 May 14 UTC
Boycotts
Does anyone here actually boycott a company? If so why? Do boycotts work. I'm thinking of boycotting the Emerates airline over its recent discrimination of a person with depression, should if follow through?
53 replies
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Yellowjacket (835 D (B))
25 May 14 UTC
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The truth about bronies
http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-24939873

And here I thought it was all about banging horses.
25 replies
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steephie22 (182 D (S))
24 May 14 UTC
How can I help an unknown woman who...
...looks either sick, addicted or both and is likely homeless?

Read more inside.
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Al Swearengen (0 D X)
23 May 14 UTC
Unbalanced Games
I want to raise a delicate subject with you guys, because I think there is an opportunity to expand the way that people think about things.


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Draugnar (0 D X)
24 May 14 UTC
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Draugnar's Daily Star Trek Study Thread.
In which we watch an episode of classic Star Trek each day (might skip a day here or there) and have a discussion about it.
34 replies
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emfries (0 D X)
25 May 14 UTC
PPSC Points Distribution
With regards to this game: gameID=142343

The pot was 175 D. Germany won with 22 of 34 SCs, so by my calculations Germany should win ( 22 / 34 ) * 175 = 113 D, but Germany only won 105 D (which is 60%, exactly, of the pool). Similarly, Turkey finished with 9 of 34 SCs, so Turkey should win ( 9 / 34 ) * 175 = 46 D, but won 53 D. What gives?
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ssorenn (3173 D (G))
25 May 14 UTC
New PC graphics card
can anyone suggest a new DX11 compatable graphics card im running an old nvidia geforce 9500
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krellin (80 D X)
23 May 14 UTC
Fond Memories of Obama
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8gnmUyminI

Ahhhh...good times, good times. "Typical <x> person..."
Nothing to see here...move along...move along...Oh, and someone get that asshole Sterling out of the NBA already...
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emfries (0 D X)
24 May 14 UTC
Looking to start a high pot full press game
I want to start a new full press WTA game. Ideally, phases would be two days and the bet would be 150 or 200 D. This game would have a policy of drawing in the case of a 1901 CD. Any interest?
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