Thanks ghug!!!

Suppose I haven't been playing enough lately, I don't see the contradiction, don't they both apply at all times, neither taking precedent over the other?

Example:

Austria:
Vie s Bud - Gal
Bud - Gal
Russia:
Gal - Vie
Boh s Gal - Vie
War - Gal

In this case, although Gal - Vie usually does not cut the support given by Vie, since Vie is dislodged the support is voided and War/Bud bounce in Galicia.

Thanks for the explanation, Gobble, I had no clue what red was asking, and for some reason I wanted to know...

Yeah, I couldn't really understand what was being asked either until I saw you list moves and ran it through Realpolitk. Makes sense now.

What would that reason be MadMarx?

I think that was just his diplomatic way of saying, "For some reason I cared".

I don't think so Jok3r ;-)

Rule #2 is just badly worded. It should be sg. like:

A unit can't cut support directed toward the province it is in, unless it dislodges the supporting unit in which case the support is void..

A unit can't cut support (of an attack) on the territory it is in, but in the example above it moves to vienna and this it isn't in gal...

I think this rule makes intuitive sense but it is hard to construct rules which conform to your intuitive guess. Hence the difficulty in the wording of the rules.

The example above show that gal attacking vie actually DO CUT the support against Gal, resulting budapest and warshaw bounces, because Budapest doesn't have support. And that support was cut by galicia, the unit which was on the target territrory, and which, according to the #2 rule, can't cut it. So the wording is simply bad. That unit did cut support against the territory it was on.

Or you should have a rule with higher priority which says:
"Dislodged unit can't support any other unit in any way"

But if you declare such a rule, then the user still have to figure out the situation above. It's easier to add those few words I guess.

The best way may be to formulate it the way I formulated it above: that one rule simply takes precedence over the other. It's not too mathematical that way.

Also, can a mod close this thread? It's becoming a train wreck. Thanks everyone :-)

My bad, rule #1 says the same, you are right redhouse. That's has the preference

redhouse, the reason I was curious was because I assumed your confusion over a rule took precedence over me not understanding the confusion, and my instinct was right, I was confused!

Anyway, if you look in the actual rule book, http://www.diplom.org/~diparch/resources/rulebooks/2000AH4th.pdf , you will see the following on page 10:

"Support is cut if the unit giving support is dislodged. If a unit ordered to support another unit is dislodged by an attack from any province (including the province into which it is giving support) then the support is "cut". The unit that was to receive support does not receive it."

Thanks MM, I actually thought just asking the question on the forum and waiting for someone to answer who knew it by heart would be faster than looking it up. I am that lazy.

Well, your system clearly worked well, you got an answer in six minutes!