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Marlen (20 D X)
10 Apr 15 UTC
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South America Variant
I have no friends. So between my mom and dad and two siblings we play the 5-player South America map. I searched "Diplomacy South America Strategy" and only get Risk results. I am always the first to lose and my parents laugh every time and tell me to make myself useful and do the dishes while they enjoy a game with their real children. Any help?
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Porthmeus (104 D)
11 Apr 15 UTC
Effects of Voting for a draw
What affect does voting for a draw have on the amount bet or value of the pot in a game?
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jmspool (100 D)
11 Apr 15 UTC
Diplomacy mentioned in controversial Buzzfeed gaming post
Yes, you read that right. Buzzfeed somehow made a post about gaming controversial.

This is the post: http://www.buzzfeed.com/tomchivers/monopoly-sucks
You'll see that Diplomacy gets high marks.
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yassem (2533 D)
08 Apr 15 UTC
Just next killing of a black man by white cop
And though all the arguments have already been spoken I am just honestly amazed that we don't a thread about it yet.
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Valis2501 (2840 D (G))
11 Apr 15 UTC
Putin wrong again of course
http://i.imgur.com/87Pcu6V.gifv
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yassem (2533 D)
06 Apr 15 UTC
Rolling stones
Am I wrong here?
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JamesYanik (548 D)
11 Apr 15 UTC
Star Wars: The Original Trilogy vs Prequels
time to see which ones of you I hate
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Mapu (362 D)
10 Apr 15 UTC
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Important Webdip Survey
I'm doing a non-sanctioned survey of how many people visit the site over a weekend. Please +1 this post so I can get an accurate count. I will then share my findings with the site admins to make improvements. Thanks!
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Valis2501 (2840 D (G))
10 Apr 15 UTC
EOG for 7 pls
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VashtaNeurotic (2394 D)
21 Mar 15 UTC
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MAFIA VII: Let’s Have JJ Abrams Direct It (The Winter of Websteros)
See inside for details.
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CommanderByron (863 D (S))
06 Apr 15 UTC
Mandatory Voting: Dicsuss
Is mandatory voting, as seen in Australia, good for a democratic society or counter-intuitive to the base beliefs of democracy? Discuss.
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MaximillianTheFirst (0 D X)
05 Apr 15 UTC
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Westeros Diplomacy
http://boardgamegeek.com/thread/829950/game-thrones-diplomacy-variant

I can't be the only ASOIAF fan who wants this.
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MadMarx (36299 D (G))
28 Mar 15 UTC
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R.I.P. MadMarx
(March 27, 2008 – March 27, 2015)

Eulogy / “End of webDiplomacy” within
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JamesYanik (548 D)
07 Apr 15 UTC
Social Classes
Are social classes good? And I don't this turning to political discussion, I just want to know whether a concentration of wealth in a select few is good for society as a whole. Have we simply never seen social classes in an unabused system?
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taipan (100 D)
09 Apr 15 UTC
Surrendering and deleting finished games from the list of games
I am now playing here for about a month and have not been able to find out : (1) how to surrender from a game and (2) how to delete finished games from the list of games I am playing. Can someone help me please ? It must be very easy I suppose ! ;-) LOL
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Mapu (362 D)
09 Apr 15 UTC
Google Translate Game
I'm getting a Google Translate game going on vdip -- please check it out and join. Could be fun.
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thdfrance (100 D)
09 Apr 15 UTC
Masters Weekend
Hoffman's 5 under after the first round, Schwartzel made the first eagle, what else does the weekend have in store?
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bo_sox48 (5202 D Mod (G))
08 Apr 15 UTC
Tsarnaev Guilty
The verdict comes in quickly and justice is done. May he rot.

http://tinyurl.com/qf8s26p
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yassem (2533 D)
08 Apr 15 UTC
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"Getting Myself McFired"
So I just read this.
http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/getting-myself-mcfired
What an act of great bravery exposing the rotten core of capitalism, right?
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orathaic (1009 D (B))
09 Apr 15 UTC
Right to be Forgotten vs Freedom of Speech
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CD37vwUD8Us
Discuss.
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jbalcorn (429 D)
09 Apr 15 UTC
NSA Surveillance
How to get Americans to care that their government is engaging in illegal spying. www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEVlyP4_11M
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Lanium (105 D)
08 Apr 15 UTC
JamesYanik: banned
Meta/No reply. Good riddance?
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TheMinisterOfWar (509 D)
09 Apr 15 UTC
The Dutch are the pinnacle of evolution
http://news.sciencemag.org/biology/2015/04/did-natural-selection-make-dutch-tallest-people-planet

Science, so it's true.
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Ges (292 D)
03 Apr 15 UTC
Thoughts on Modern Diplomacy II?
Hello, I'm returning to WebDipWorld after an absence of several years. I am interested to know what the community thinks of this Modern Dip II variant. Is it enjoyable? Fairly balanced? (I don't expect perfection from a variant . . . )

Thanks in advance for your thoughts!
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Yellowjacket (835 D (B))
01 Apr 15 UTC
The waitress breasts
As above, below.
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bo_sox48 (5202 D Mod (G))
04 Apr 15 UTC
Sexual and sex organs aren't the same thing. Body hair is also evolutionarily sexual (I assume only on men, but I don't know).
KingCyrus (511 D)
04 Apr 15 UTC
(pubic hair in both men and women carries pheromones, so they are both evolutionarily sexual)

No one is arguing that they are the same thing. I am arguing that you are completely arbitrarily saying that one should be censored and the other not. Buttocks are not inherently sexual, so are backless pants (is that a thing?) OK with you, so long as they don't show genitals?
KingCyrus (511 D)
04 Apr 15 UTC
God help us, backless pants is a thing. I shall not post, as per forum pornography rules however.
bo_sox48 (5202 D Mod (G))
04 Apr 15 UTC
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That would be a hell of a lot more interesting given the proximity, but yeah, legally, I think that should be allowed. That said, I have no issues with the current laws against public defecation, so.................
bo_sox48 (5202 D Mod (G))
04 Apr 15 UTC
Though, since no one else here is going to agree with me on that, I'm just going to remind you that men's asses are also censored, not just women's. The issue of breasts is afloat because women's torsos are censored while men's aren't. The ass issue doesn't really exist because they're treated equally.
KingCyrus (511 D)
04 Apr 15 UTC
So is this an argument for equal treatment, or not censoring breasts? Get your story straight.

Also, remember we are talking about roughly one square foot of female torso.
bo_sox48 (5202 D Mod (G))
04 Apr 15 UTC
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My argument is that censoring a woman's breasts while letting a man show off his quintuple-D hairy, saggy tits is inherently unequal, so both. You got me sidetracked...
bo_sox48 (5202 D Mod (G))
04 Apr 15 UTC
Also, it's important that you understand that it's the female nipple itself that gets censored, not her breast.
KingCyrus (511 D)
04 Apr 15 UTC
Generally speaking it is the nipple and below. But specifically, yeah. That gets us to what, 6 square inches?
bo_sox48 (5202 D Mod (G))
04 Apr 15 UTC
I would say it varies pretty significantly, but sure, we can generalize...
KingCyrus (511 D)
04 Apr 15 UTC
Have you ever been to a beach? They can pull off a thong there, and no one is getting arrested.

Also, I think you forget where exactly I stand. I don't think it is good that breasts are so sexualized, although they *are* inherently sexual, but this has developed over thousands if not millions of years. Even in places where women are allowed to be topless, breasts are still sexual to a degree. Even in some Aboriginal or some other Native people, they have sexual use.
bo_sox48 (5202 D Mod (G))
04 Apr 15 UTC
So the implication is that you don't think that women would ever sexualize a man's bare chest... because if they did, then there would be laws in place to make men not take their shirts off in public...
KingCyrus (511 D)
04 Apr 15 UTC
Sexualize? Yes. On the same level as someone can sexualize feet. Women's breasts however, have evolutionary evidence for sexual attraction. They are also equally erogenous, or roughly so, as other sexual organs of females, such as the vagina or clitoris.
bo_sox48 (5202 D Mod (G))
04 Apr 15 UTC
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First of all, if what you do with a girl's nipples gives her the same amount of pleasure as what you do with either her vagina or clitoris, you're doing something wrong. Some girls have more sensitive nipples and breast tissue than others, yeah, but the clitoris literally contains thousands of nerve endings and is the single most sensitive organ to touch in the human body, man or woman. They are not equal in that way. And CA, I don't care what kind of personal experience you have had with your wife. They are just not.

Second of all, swollen breasts are a sign of sexual receptivity. That is no different than saying that a fatter girth after a feast or whatever is a sign of having eaten well. Since females are effectively always sexually receptive from maturity onwards, their breasts remain that way, while your stomach naturally shrinks back down to size once the food is digested and passed.

The fact of the matter is that the censorship of the female nipple and breast is plain old sexism.

You have been saying that men have chests and women have breasts. You're not wrong, obviously. You wouldn't be wrong either to say that both breasts and chests vary, breasts more-so than chests. However, as I am sure you are aware, many breasts are not large. Some of them are so small that we call them "flat-chested" - we actually use the word "chest" to describe their breasts because their breasts are so small that they are simply unapparent, thus, non-feminine. A lot of these women end up undergoing breast enhancement. Likewise, many male chests are more breast-like than others. In fact, there's a common procedure (http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2008/03/06/while-the-women-are-enhancing-the-men-are-reducing/) where men undergo a surgery to reduce their chests. I don't think the pictures there are very representative (and I don't think any of them actually changed much), but the point stands that chests and breasts can naturally look incredibly similar and that a number of people whose chests or breasts don't quite look right to us undergo an operation to meet our norms.

Another case I find interesting is women with breast cancer. Often times, these women have their breasts removed in order to prevent the cancer from having the chance to spread throughout their body. My mother underwent that operation. My older sister did the same when she began to identify as nongendered. It isn't uncommon for younger girls whose families, like mine, have a history of breast cancer to have their breasts removed before the threat ever arises. Yet these women and anyone born a woman who began to identify as nongendered without actually undergoing full gender therapy -- who physically *do not have breasts* -- are not allowed to take their shirts off publicly.

Here's another fun one.

http://testdb.msmagazine.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/ANDREJ-PEJIC-DOSSIER.jpg

This is a magazine cover from 2011. The model on the cover is Andrej Pejic, a male model. He is caked in makeup, as you can certainly tell, worn predominantly by women, and his hair is styled in a typically feminine fashion. He's taking his shirt off his back. Big deal, a guy taking his shirt off.

Barnes & Noble and Borders both labeled this magazine as pornographic by bagging it, meaning that only the title of the magazine was visible on the shelves and that the magazine itself was packaged in an opaque material. They ordered it this way from Dossier.

Like I said, this is a male model taking his shirt off. The same thing can be seen on countless other magazine covers. This one, though, is labeled pornographic because it blurs the gender lines, and unless you know who the model is, it's not immediately apparent whether or not this is a man caked in makeup or a woman with small breasts.

I thought this excerpt from a Huff Post article on this magazine was interesting.
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We spoke with Dossier Co-Founder and Creative Director Skye Parrott who explained that the bookstores asked for all copies of the magazine to be placed in "opaque poly bags because even though they knew Andrej was a man, he looked too much like a woman, basically," a move that she suspects will limit sales, but that's not really the issue here.

"It's a naked man on the cover of a magazine, which is done all of the time without being covered up, so I definitely don't think it merits this, but I understand what it is," Parrott told HuffPost Style. "It's not a coincidence that it's only the giant U.S. chain stores that are asking us to do this....It's only the American copies that are being censored. It seems that it probably made people uncomfortable. But that's part of what's interesting about the cover, I think, is that it's playing with those ideas of gender roles. He's topless, you can see that he's a man, but if you look at his face, he looks like a woman and he's so beautiful, he's both in that picture, in a way. I think that's what's interesting about it."
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I found it funny that she said the only companies that had an issue with the cover were the American companies. That's not surprising to me.

Here's the bottom line - women's bodies are targeted by laws preventing them from exposing their breasts publicly, no matter how much or little breast they actually have. Men, on the other hand, can be as "breasty" (as a friend of mine put it once) as they want, and yet, they're still allowed to show it off. Unless, of course, they are made up like Pejic was on that magazine cover. That magazine cover demonstrated that a man can take his shirt off publicly, but once his gender becomes ambiguous, it is all of a sudden labeled obscene even by people who know that this is a picture of a man. That cover showed that if a man makes himself up to look feminine enough, he automatically becomes "obscene" in the same way that we see women's breasts.
Yellowjacket (835 D (B))
04 Apr 15 UTC
@octavious, sorry for being unclear, I wasn't even talking about the breasts thing with my query to byron. I was asking him a simple question in response to his statement, because I'm genuinely curious.
Yellowjacket (835 D (B))
04 Apr 15 UTC
And I have recently come to terms with my bronyism - I won't have you denigrating us like that, bo.
Yellowjacket (835 D (B))
04 Apr 15 UTC
http://www.bronyland.com/

Join me, brothers!
bo_sox48 (5202 D Mod (G))
04 Apr 15 UTC
http://i.imgur.com/EcL9ojJ.gif
orathaic (1009 D (B))
09 Apr 15 UTC
Great post Bo, and YJ nice to meet a fellow brony here.
steephie22 (182 D (S))
09 Apr 15 UTC
I'd just like to point out that you should probably check whether you have the genes that increase the chance of breast cancer before removing your breasts pre-emptively. It's not like you automatically have the genes because your mother had breast cancer.


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goldfinger0303 (3152 D Mod)
06 Apr 15 UTC
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Game 3 of The Leagues is up
Links are all here https://sites.google.com/site/phpdiplomacytournaments/The-php-League/leagues-winter-2015

PW's are all teams Duke has beaten in March Madness. No spaces. Sorry I'm not as creative as the Star Wars themed one.
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2ndWhiteLine (3375 D (B))
08 Apr 15 UTC
Lost Day
At 4:53 and 42 seconds today (if you use American date and a 24 hour clock) the time and date will officially be 4-8-15-16-23-42.
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EmmaGoldman (1001 D)
08 Apr 15 UTC
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new game
Classic Game 25; needs 3 more players, its a p-p-s.c., 50 bet, and it will be fun!
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chluke (10280 D (G))
05 Apr 15 UTC
Building in occupied center that is simultaneously disband
Can you build in a home territory occupied by another country's unit IF simultaneously during that build phase the occupying unit disbands?
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Crazy Anglican (840 D)
08 Apr 15 UTC
In-Game Mute button
If you mute everyone in a gunboat game. Will they ever know you did it?
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