@ghug: I mainly posted it to try sparking interesting discussion and to try seeing if there were any Nobbs, and also try try opening the discussion with that being a side for people to pick if they felt like it.

@goldfinger: the main reason why P.e. Says no Lynch day 1 is bad is because it can be used to gain discussion, and info. Scum will usually talk more often if there is a threat of a Lynch, and the discussion can be used to gain info. It is true that in almost no cases unless someone messes up really badly, or if they are lurking and may get mod killed, there will not be a day 1 Scum Lynch. They are usually able to determine which people are lynched early game so the chance of catching a Townie is way smaller than the 4/19 chance that there would be at random.

To start off this game I think that we should try to avoid lurking for long periods of time if possible. Real life stuff happens and, while not being a necessarily Scummy thing to do, it does not help with discussion. Even more than this though, I think that we should try focusing on not posting just to meet post count, or messing around in this thread as a general rule. It does not contribute to the discussion, and actually makes it a lot harder to scum hunt as it makes the thread a lot longer, and also makes it easier for the scum ti fit in. I would personally prefer a lurker to someone who makes frequent, non-helpful, posts. I think that we should also try keeping this a very open place for discussion though, and that we should not vote for people over extremely small things. It is distracting and, to be honest, all people in this game will do things that could be considered Scummy. We should also avoid tunnel vision if possible as, if we look hard enough, we would be able to find a possible scum motive that is advanced by almost any post. Lastly I think that we should try to base our decisions mainly off of evidence that we personally have noticed. A case against someone may be convincing, however, that may just be because they are a somewhat bad player. Also, when looking at a case you should be willing to try clarifying it, and to look at both sides of the argument. A case against someone will have very likely come from a member from the scum team.

Overall though, I think that the main things that we should be looking for is lurking for long periods of time, posting erratically without much substance, weak cases against people (especially from experienced players), and other things such as contradictions in an argument. Let's try to avoid jumping to conclusions prematurely, should give people opportunities to explain themselves, and should also make sure that the execution of someone will further the town cause. Woukd the rest of you agree with these?

I feel like adding one thing: if you are a power role and will be executed, claim. You will be able to at least distract the mafia/ assassins.if you do. I am not going to advocate for or against role claiming of you are not a power role though. It could cause problems for an actual pr later on, and, though possibly serving to distract the mafia, could also serve to distract the actual prs, and could make someone seem more or less legitimate if they claim later. They may be an actual pr, a Townie, or could be a mafia. It could be especially bad if you were to renounce the claim once the next person claimed as if they were an assassin they will seem more legitimate. I do not know very much about the or roles though, to be honest, so if you are a pr go to the how to mafia thread, it has a guide on whar to do how to act, (contribute, and nonscared) and it is just overall very helpful. Good luck though, and please do not get yourself killed early. (be in the middle of the "pack" if possible.)

Wow, I really do need to read through these things before posting... Sorry for any errors in it. Please try commenting on these ideas as that could help to add legitimacy to the claims.

tvrocks has grown so much.
:')

So who should receive priority if we find out from Varys (forget the role name) their role? A mafia member or the arsonist?

It probably depends how the game is doing overall. If the mafia are doing badly the arsonist, and vice versa. Thee have actually been games where the arsonist or other third party has basically teamed up with the town.

@flum: I want to avoid getting lynched first turn this time.

It's much easier to hunt for mafia. At this stage of the game, the arsonist is practically indistinguishable from town. (At least there's no reason he shouldn't be).
Although we can't use the Arsonist in a way we could use the SK, so it would probably be smart to lynch him if the cop scans him.

I mean, theoretically, couldn't the arsonist sit back for a few nights, douse someone each night and then light up 4-5 people in one go? I would think that role is more dangerous to the town than the SK. If the arsonist survives until there are ~7-8 people left, he basically wins

No, because some of the people that he douses will likely get killed. Before he gets a chance to light the flame

after looking at it the situation is different i guess... if the arsonist plays correctly, he will not have to do anything this game that would likely incriminate him. (even scumhunting is in his interest.) There are different roles this game though, so that may change it.

@gm: if the Consiglieri scans the arsonist will it be considered a power role? also, if the hooker distracts the arsonist, and he chooses to light that turn, will it be canceled?

Hey Maniac, if you hypothetically got scum this game again, what would your play-style be do you think?

if it is cancelled, would he still be able to light the next turn?

Partially disagree with tvrocks and pseudo-agree with Flum. If we find out through channels who the arsonist is, lynch that player. Immediately. Dousing is more than likely random, which is a disadvantage to town one arso ignites. Mafia will always kill town, arso more than likely will kill town eventually. Kill any of them before they kill us.

I don't like talking about power roles, but this should be safe.
Do you guys think the Vengeful townie should claim upon being lynched? I almost think the vengeful townie is more useful alive as a confirmed town member.

Definitely. Confirmed townies are better than single vig shots.

Only PR thing that should really concern us right now is that none of you should claim yet, unless you're about to be lynched.

If the Veng-T knows (or thinks they know) for sure who is a mafia/arso and there is a guilty vote placed by one of them, don't claim. Get lynched and kill an evildoer.

If Veng-T doesn't have a clue who is who, CLAIM!

Ehh. A confirmed townie has no extra information. You'd have to be pretty fucking sure.

I think that if the veng-T does roleclaim, that we should all jst vote, and provide reasons, on who he should kill especially if it is later game. the reason that he would have been executed is that he was suspicious in teh first place, so, if he is a true town player, it would make sense to continue executing him. if we do not he will most likely be killed in the night that follows, and they will also lose their opportunity to poison someone as that has to be done during the day.

Why are you so mean to me, ghug? I'm just trying to make friends?

Anyway, Hi I'm YoYo,
I have played 2 forum mafia games so far, both on this site. The first game, M6, I was still getting the hang of the game. We ended up tying with SK and Mafia.

In M7, I was much better until I lost my phone. In fact, I probably could have clutched the game if I went with my suspicions.

This game, I plan on being more assertive in my opinion and more clear and convincing in my case building.

I think it would be a good idea to start off with our experience in mafia, like last time.

this would also prevent scum from fake claiming as vengeful townie, and would give them less options of a fake claim.

*fewer options (sorry, the grammar nazi inside kicked in.)

No, tv, that's pointless. VengT has no incentive to follow the vote, and any vote is going to be influenced by the mafia. Mafia also have no reason to fakeclaim if we've agreed to do that, so it's self-defeating.

Also, I would like to note that in both games, I've survived until the end for some reason.

Yea, I could not for the life of me get you lynched.

Yoyo confirmed scum.

Yoyo, why would it possibly matter that the mafia has never felt the need to kill you?

Yea, Yoyo is probably scum :'(

@ghugh: it woudl still get rid of one of the mafia's fake claim options meaning it would be easier to confirm whether or not they're lying if they do fake claim. This would mainly be in order to provide the veng t with info and arguments on each person so that they would be able to try making a good sdecision. They woud obviously not have to listen if they did not feel like it. If they did not have much of an idea, though, this could easily help them to decide. Almost all votes in this game would be influenced by the mafia, so this should theoretically be just as likely as another vote to work.They would also get killed anyway later that night.

Mafia wouldn't fake claim vengeful townie. A 1 v 1 with the real vengeful townie wouldn't end well.

(hey guys, whats scum?)