Does everyone have healthcare in America?
Of course not and that points out the inescapable fatal flaw of Capitalism.

Every society has it's problems

No, they do not point to flaws in those systems. All societies draw lines on what is and what is not acceptable behavior. Some are freer than others, but that does not make them any more 'right'.

A man cannot walk around with a leaf covering his groin in New York, unlike in dense forests in Central Africa. By extending your argument, something is wrong with the people and society in New York.

Saying that all societies can draw lines on what is and what is not acceptable behavior is a blank check for any action in the name of society, a statement without any limits, and an invitation to create any rationalism you like.

Poor post santosh.

So wearing a bikini is now equivalent to universal health care Stiglitz?

Thank you for your intellectually surrendering my point in a public post.

It's still a flaw in a society, so yes

"Does everyone have healthcare in America?"
Am I the only one who doesn't see this as a flaw?

@Fasces
No, but you're in the minority

Hugo, did my original point make you so intellectually uncomfortable you couldn't respond clearly and directly to it and instead attempted a transparent bait and switch to another topic to escape the original point you were incapable of addressing.

It is. It is an invitation to create any rationalism that the society itself finds acceptable. One society has no authority to advice you on what is correct in another using measures that the first society finds acceptable.

If a Muslim can claim the right to wear a full Burka in public in the United States then an American woman can claim the right to wear a bikini in the Saudi Arabia. The operative word here is hypocrisy.

Can USA guys get into a house in the night in another country, handcuff several children under 5 years old on their backs and then shoot them in the head?
Yes of course they can!!!
Can they do it and then not pay for it??
Oh yes they can!!!
Can they have stupid parrots at home repeating that what is wrong is using or not bikinis intead of looking at what is beign done on their name and with their flag?
Yes of course they can. Sadly.

TC, not having universal healthcare is a bigger flaw than not being able to walk down a street in a bikini. (I dearly hope that we agree on that point.) Does this mean that America's society is more flawed than Saudi Arabia's?

@TC

No, you idiot. I'm not changing the topic, I'm just pointing out that every society has it's flaws and that it's unfair of you to cherry pick from the ones that you don't belong to.

That LAST thing i want to do is argue Healthcare with you, in no way would that end well

The Sophists introduced the same appeal to rationalism in ancient Athens only to have that argument completely demolished by Socrates who established there are timeless ethical standards for any human society that cannot be infringed by religion or the state.

I would suggest reading Plato's Dialogues to prevent a repetition of the same mistake.

I also agree with TB, by you drawing a distinction between my point and yours, you're just marginalizinn your own point.

I smell a name-drop....

Hugo I apologize for making you so frustrated with an elemental concept that you would completely lose control of yourself.
I'll give you some time to calm down and collect yourself.
Post something rational whenever you feel better.

TB: Most people don't have access to health care in Saudi Arabia anyway...

Hugo, while you are collecting yourself you might want to contemplate the incongruity in your attempt to compare the exercise of a freedom, wearing a bikini, with the supply of a commodity, healthcare.

It's a basic error of comparing apples to oranges in addition to being a transparent bait and switch.

I am interested in reading a well reasoned post that explains why it is perfectly acceptable for a Muslim women to be allowed to wear a Burka in downtown New York City and an American women not being allowed to wear bikini in downtown Mecca.

TB, I would not accept your statement that an abridgment of freedom is less important than healthcare. I would suggest that you ask an inmate in a prison who just received healthcare if they would rather have that or freedom of self expression.

Kind of slow, I compliment you on choosing an accurate display name for yourself.

Oh dear TC, you're going to make me keel over laughing. You of all people asking me to post something rational is one of the funniest things i've heard in years!

You're talent for self-parody never ceases to amaze

Keep at it lil' buddy!

Fasces: fair enough. I actually agree with TC to some extent. How one dresses shouldn't be restricted by society.

Tettleton:
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2011/08/31/122789/wikileaks-iraqi-children-in-us.html

I guess you are just one of those sad parrot i was talking about...

I actually agree with him to an extent as well. It's just a shame that he's bashing me for trying to put things into context.

TC: what about a poor person who has contracted an illness requiring expensive medical treatment? In that case, the priorities would be reversed. We can throw up examples all day.

"Kind of slow, I compliment you on choosing an accurate display name for yourself."
Insulting me does not makes a point.... or invalidates mine...

@KOS

You're right, but TC is far too arrogant to be able to accept that

"Could a man walk down the street in New York/London/Moscow/Berlin/any modern countries city with an automatic weapon strapped to his back?
If this couldn't happen something is wrong with the people and society in that city."