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evanej (100 D)
20 Jan 17 UTC
How are you welcoming in Trump?
It is time!
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JamesYanik (548 D)
23 Jan 17 UTC
NEW WORLD RECORD
after only 4 hours, #alternativefacts is already being overused, just beating out the previous record held by #fakenews.

we fully expect to endure this for the next few days, until it to dies, or develops into something else (such as #bullshitnews)
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brainbomb (474 D)
21 Jan 17 UTC
I dont believe in the alphabet or languages
I think God did not actually create the alphabet. People did. People also made the tower of babel. Im agaist taxes being used to teach people the alphabet. God didnt create it, so its not important
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WyattS14 (100 D)
20 Jan 17 UTC
Does math Exist, or is it really JUST an idea?
I found
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CAPT Brad (40 D X)
19 Dec 16 UTC
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Why I Love The Live Gunboat Games
I have the PC game of Diplomacy and played it to victory pretty much everytime; the few losses from the beginning as i was learning.
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Chumbles (959 D (S))
22 Jan 17 UTC
Only one needed: gunboat, ancmed
http://www.webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=189485
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Valis2501 (1915 D (G))
19 Jan 17 UTC
F2F Tournament in MA, USA
As above, below
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Peregrine Falcon (1581 D (B))
21 Jan 17 UTC
Friends Game
I'm looking for three more people to join me and three friends for a game. We'll keep the meta gaming to a minimum. Post here or message me if you're interested.
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King Of Avalon (10 D X)
20 Jan 17 UTC
Hello i am new
How do i play i need help
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oliveskin (100 D X)
20 Jan 17 UTC
Canceling CDs in live games
Thoughts to follow (my phone isn't letting me both type everything and post as well lol)
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Halls of Mandos (644 D)
19 Jan 17 UTC
Another clarifying thread...
A unit can cut support if it itself is only tapped as well, but it does NOT cut support if it is dislodged by two completely different units, right?
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indigo93 (100 D)
19 Jan 17 UTC
Issue with Denmark Capture
Game id 189248

I am Germany and had has a unit in Denmark at multiple points this game, yet the map color has not changed and I gave not
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pastoralan (100 D)
18 Jan 17 UTC
Convoy confusion
Can a fleet convoy an army and also provide support to another unit?

Paraphrase: have I been playing this game wrong for the last 20 years?
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fourofswords (452 D)
15 Jan 17 UTC
new world 901
Why isn't New World 901 on the list of games that can be created?
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slypups (1639 D)
14 Jan 17 UTC
Worst possible 1v1 matchup
What would be the most unbalanced 1v1 matchup possible on the Classic board? I could see England v Russia being awful for England, especially with Russia enjoying 4 builds/turn.
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Ezio (1078 D)
18 Jan 17 UTC
Highest stakes live game
What is the highest stakes live game ever on the site?
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Ezio (1078 D)
15 Jan 17 UTC
Ethics
If someone admits they only want to ally with you for meta reasons, are you ethically forced to attack them?
principians (933 D)
15 Jan 17 UTC
I'm only gonna answer this for meta reasons
Ezio (1078 D)
15 Jan 17 UTC
I am in a game where someone I want to ally with has admitted they want to ally with me because they hate the player we would be allying against. This alliance is what I'd been arguing for, and I want to ally with him (not for meta reasons), but it seems like it's bordering on against site rules, and I'm curious what others have to say about it.
CAPT Brad (40 D X)
15 Jan 17 UTC
i have meta reasons for doing all sorts of things; but often i just meta around for no reason at all. i meta girl once in a bar but she meta cruel fate when the steak she was eating meta mess on her new dress. mister, i meta man the story always begins.
VashtaNeurotic (644 D)
15 Jan 17 UTC
1. Please don't talk about ongoing games on the forum
2. Not against the rules unless the reason they hate them is for IRL reasons
CptMike (3577 D)
15 Jan 17 UTC
All games should be anonymous. There is no good reason they are not.

I think it is unethical to *ally* with somebody for meta reasons because that kills the game but my feeling is that *attacking* somebody is much less a problem.

I'd say you can feel free to attack or ally with both these players.
dD_ShockTrooper (1200 D)
15 Jan 17 UTC
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Do whatever you feel is best. It's the other person here who is making a potential mistake by allying you without decent reasoning.
Matticus13 (1159 D)
15 Jan 17 UTC
@CptMike: While I prefer anonymous games, non-anonymous games are perfectly fine with me. When you play face-to-face as the game originally intended, anonymous games were not even possible.
Valis2501 (1915 D (G))
15 Jan 17 UTC
It's against the rules to:
>joining a game with any player of a previous game with a predetermined intent to ally with or attack certain players.
>make deals based on any factors outside of the game.

Now, we all have met people IRL or online that as soon as we start talking to them we're like "oh god I can't stand this person". I mean, being an annoying little shit in-game is an in-game reason to not ally with someone. It's a thin grey line. Email the mods at webdipmod@gmail.com and we can do our best to investigate and resolve problems.
-webDipMod

Personal thoughts:

I encourage everyone to post their thoughts though because the number 1 solution to this kind of thing, by far, is the community's subconscious of what's acceptable or not with each other.

I agree with Cpt Mke, I'd like to see Anon be at least default if not exclusive.
orathaic (1009 D (B))
15 Jan 17 UTC
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Anon games are terrible for building community and getting to know people. This social side of diplomacy is very important, and being overly obsessing with a fear of meta gaming may be harmful to that experience.

But hating someone for (say) forum posts you disagree with is not an ideal way of playing. Allying against someone because you meta hate them will lead to poor play.

Hating someone for in-game (non-meta) reasons is perfectly acceptable.

As to your question, they may be lying about meta-hating in order to convince you to trust their allegiance. This could be good play on their part, and perhaps you should play your best based on the game, not the meta-considerations.
CAPT Brad (40 D X)
15 Jan 17 UTC
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Remember the Nazi-Soviet Pact. now that was an unshakeable alliance among friends
Crazy Anglican (172 D)
15 Jan 17 UTC
I really do not see a problem from your end, and attacking him just because he doesn't like another player isn't a prerequisite for you in any instance. You aren't meta-gaming.

For him:
- if it's in game no problem,
- if he's following the player to screw with him in other games it is a big problem and
I would email the mods.

If your decisions are made for in-game reasons, even if it comes to "I don't care if I get a defeat I am taking this idiot down!", you are not meta-gaming. You aren't responsible for anyone else's choice to meta-game. The mods are there to enforce the rules.
Claesar (1288 D Mod)
15 Jan 17 UTC
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Yes, it should be absolutely clear here that you should ally with this guy if that's your optimal line of play.

There's a chance that he is not playing according to the rules, but as others pointed out the correct course of action is for you to submit these doubts to the mods if you have them. Policing the issue yourself by attacking that player is not the correct way to handle this.
Jamiet99uk (106 D)
15 Jan 17 UTC
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All games should not be anonymous unless you also think that people playing f-t-f games should be forced to wear disguises and speak through a voice-masking device.
Hannibal76 (288 D (B))
15 Jan 17 UTC
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I think that you should ally with this person. If he's doing it for meta reasons that's on him not you. You're only doing it because it's your best option.
That's exactly what I think, Jamiet. Do you think I want diplomacy players to really know who I am?
Lethologica (203 D)
16 Jan 17 UTC
I think the meta reasons for his choice, if meta they are, are a matter for the mods to sort out, and should not change your in-game decision-making.
MajorMitchell (984 D)
16 Jan 17 UTC
I won't express an opinion on what anyone should do in any game currently in play.
In a hypothetical situation like that described, I'd be asking more questions before deciding how to act. Is the player making the questionable proposal an experienced player on this site or not ? An player relatively inexperienced on this site can be given a more lenient response, but carefully because you have to do it in game.
So you respond by explaining the ethical position this player has put you in, how you both need to make decision to form an alliance for the right, in game reasons.
But IMHO ithink it's quite acceptable for the player receiving this doubtful proposal to still form the alliance because that is in the best interests of the country he has at that moment in that game, and to use this knowledge of player iffy having a hatred for another player as a tool to manipulate player iffy so his country derives further benefits.

If it's coming from an experienced player on this site, then I'd give the blighter a "veiled warning" and be very careful in my messages in game, I'd probably make the alliance, get what I needed but be planning to put the blighter to the sword asap. If the blighter continued to make questionable/unethical proposals, comments etc, then I'd have to email the Almighty Mods. If he didn't get to that level, I'd probably take it up with the player at the end of the game as a follow up to make my position for future games clearly understood.
Gen. Lee (7688 D (B))
16 Jan 17 UTC
He is probably referring to in-game hating that player and using that as a reason to attack them. It's wonderful to find this situation b/c the player has altered their win definition, therefore you can help them reach theirs while they help you reach yours (solo).
pastoralan (100 D)
17 Jan 17 UTC
Seems to me that if you think a person is breaking the forum rules, you should report him to the mods. Your job is to play a clean game--ally with the person (or don't) based on what's going on in that game. Let the mods decide if he's breaking the rules. That might well mean you ally with him AND report him...nothing wrong with that.
slypups (1639 D)
17 Jan 17 UTC
1) In game hating is fine, and not a meta-reason.
2) Hating from a previous game and wanting to take him out for just that reason is definitely meta, and seems to be a rule violation, but you should ally if that's what you want, or else in a way you are not allying for meta reasons (because of his hate from a prior game). And you should report the person to a mod, not in the forums.
3) If his "hate" is really just mistrust because experience tells him the other guy is highly unreliable and likely to stab, and he's trying to choose between you and the other guy for an alliance, that seems like reasonable meta knowledge. Then it's not that he has a grudge, but recognizes you to be the better ally choice from past play. To ask people to ignore knowledge of a player's diplomatic tendencies in choosing alliances more likely to lead to success is just not plausible, and cannot be considered unfair.
Yigg (787 D)
17 Jan 17 UTC
Gaming ethics in wargaming, especially Diplomacy, is definitely tricky. IMHO, using the meta of someone's past can be fine in certain ways. Let's say I know a players tends to ally with someone they think is funny, or usually makes aggressive openings, or enjoys chaos, I can certainly use that in press to obtain goals. If a guy wants to kill me solely because I stabbed him in a previous game, then that's not okay. Every game is its own entity and should be treated as such.

Besides, if a dude gets that bent out of shape over a stab, then this might not be the best game for him to play.
Unstupid (739 D)
18 Jan 17 UTC
I think that you should ally with him if you wish -YOU aren't breaking any rules


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brainbomb (474 D)
17 Jan 17 UTC
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Selena Gomez vs. a Hot platter of Hush puppies and Fried Catfish
Is there an afterlife? Or is there reall just a giant reality tv orb that floats above Ariana Grande's feet.
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Merirosvo (302 D)
13 Jan 17 UTC
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Scoring System Proposal
I don't know if this has been suggested but:
1. If there is a winner they get the whole pot
2. If there is a draw, it's always a seven* way draw regardless of elimination.
*Or however many
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jmo1121109 (2532 D Mod)
16 Jan 17 UTC
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Congratulations Zultar
On winning the first 1 vs 1 game ever made (paused till now) on this site (gameID=187512).
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leon1122 (211 D)
15 Jan 17 UTC
Rule Question
Can you support an enemy unit to attack your own unit?
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WyattS14 (100 D)
15 Jan 17 UTC
Med Game
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=189125 This game is with 2 other friends of mine, and we couldn't get a full group together. We are in no way metagaming. The password is lollol
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WyattS14 (100 D)
15 Jan 17 UTC
Posting password games in forum?
Was wondering if I could post a game's password I'm playing with two other friends in the forum? Two others couldn't join last minute
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Matticus13 (1159 D)
12 Jan 17 UTC
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Best way to learn code
I want to learn how to code, but am having trouble deciding where to start. Their are many free resources, online classes, boot camps, etc. I would prefer to teach myself, but lack the knowledge to know what language I should be learning first and so on. Any tips from the experienced code writers here on WebDip?
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taos (281 D)
15 Jan 17 UTC
what happens when to fleets convoy the same army to the same point?
?
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snowy801 (621 D)
15 Jan 17 UTC
Stalemate Gaming
Is there a rule against holding a stalemate indefinitely even though the situation is clear? I think he's hoping the rest of us give up and leave, which if it isn't against the rules yet then it should be.

http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=189100
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CAPT Brad (40 D X)
01 Jan 17 UTC
The Captain Will See You Now
I am starting my first long term gameID=187773 PM me for the password. It is one day turns and requires an eighty for reliability.
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zultar (3900 D Mod (P))
12 Jan 17 UTC
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Removing Known World and Keeping World
See inside.
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CommanderByron (619 D Mod (S))
04 Jan 17 UTC
PPSC discussion thread:
I don't particularly care for PPSC. But saw that another thread was having this discussion as a sidebar and thought it fair to start a discussion thread. There is reasonable support for PPSC and regardless of the majority opinion the minority's should be heard.
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Jamiet99uk (106 D)
13 Jan 17 UTC
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Abolish Sum-Of-Squares scoring
Ok, so I understand some people don't like PPSC and don't want it back. I disagree. BUT let's talk about SOS instead. It's a terrible scoring system and is directly contrary to the rulebook.
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