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TheMinisterOfWar (553 D)
21 Nov 12 UTC
Get my points off Facebook
Hey all, I've been playing FB Dip for some time (oldschool phpDiplomacy), but have lost interest. Since I'm starting from scratch again here, I was wondering whether it's possible to transfer my thousand odd points from FB Dip to here? It's not the same community, but it is the same platform. Possible or no?
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ulytau (541 D)
22 Nov 12 UTC
What has Curiosity found on Mars? - A poll (definitely not a +1 scam)
It's common knowledge that this forum is home to some of the most intelligent lifeforms in the Milky Way. To harness this incredible brainpower for the good of mankind, we should use the power of crowdsourcing to predict groundbreaking events in advance, so as to buy people time to prepare for them. By utilizing the best social networking invention ever, the +1, we can accurately conclude which opinion prevails in the webDip community.
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thatwasawkward (4690 D(B))
22 Nov 12 UTC
The Importance of Being Diplomatic
With all the chest-pounding that goes on around here about who's a better player than who, it seems clear that some people place far too much emphasis on what goes on on this site, to the point of tying their performance to their overall feelings of self-worth.
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Thucydides (864 D(B))
21 Nov 12 UTC
Rwanda: rogue state
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2012/11/20/that_other_war?page=0,0
This kind of behavior should be met with force, instead it is met with spineless words.

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BornAgainGamer (100 D)
23 Nov 12 UTC
MOD Pause Request
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=103915
Could one of the wonderful moderators help out and pause this World game please - most have paused but with the holidays we have one or two stragglers. Thanks in Advance
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redhouse1938 (429 D)
20 Nov 12 UTC
Murderer of Marianne Vaatstra has probably been found by DNA match
http://www.nu.nl/binnenland/2962345/bevestigt-identiteit-verdachte-moord-vaatstra.html (translate.google.nl)
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Draugnar (0 DX)
22 Nov 12 UTC
Looks like my wife will get to go home today!
The tube is out, she has had two liquid meals and is eating her first solid one now. If she handles her turkey and mashed potatoes then she can go home this afternoon.
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hellalt (24 D)
21 Nov 12 UTC
new game with me
anyone from my old friends and enemies interested in a wta game?
24hrs/turn, low pot.
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PeregrinTook (0 DX)
23 Nov 12 UTC
New Game
gameID=104807 WTA anon classic 48 hr phases. 31 point buy in. only 2 more spots open, starts in 19 hours
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Mujus (1495 D(B))
21 Nov 12 UTC
In Honor of Thanksgiving Day
As a Mayflower descendant, I'm happy to post these two days' worth of thanksgiving verses from the New Living Translation: Old Testament today, and New Testament tomorrow. I wish you all a blessed Thanksgiving Day.
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redhouse1938 (429 D)
22 Nov 12 UTC
URGENT Mac
My Mac keeps telling me I have a problem with disk space. I only watch videos with this thing, streaming that is, and write documents for work. How the hell did it fill up 700 GO?!?
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heroesandcons09 (100 D)
22 Nov 12 UTC
New game on thanksgiving
Just started a classic game for Thanksgiving turns are every 2 hours. Not anon just 5 to get in. gameID=104881 please join it'll be fun.
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Gen. Lee (7588 D(B))
22 Nov 12 UTC
Couple of high pot gunboats
Shameless plug
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zultar (4180 DMod(P))
21 Nov 12 UTC
Happy Thanksgiving and welcome our new mod, goldfinger0303
Hello folks,
Please welcome the newest addition to the mod team, goldfinger0303. I am thankful that he will be joining us.
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smcbride1983 (517 D)
21 Nov 12 UTC
This will probably get me mocked.
Can we set up a donation system to allow for skilled players to enter higher stakes games earlier?
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Invictus (240 D)
22 Nov 12 UTC
Way Too Early For Christmas, But This Is Awesome
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJP68GrLT38

O Little Town of Bethlehem set to the tune of House of the Rising Sun. Get it?
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Zmaj (215 D(B))
21 Nov 12 UTC
EoG: 36 points
Well done, Nigee :D
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Celticfox (100 D(B))
21 Nov 12 UTC
New Gunboat
So, as was mentioned in the Last Person to Post thread, my husband and I are looking to play a gunboat game together. Obviously there'd be no meta-gaming, but wanted you guys to be aware. So who's up... it would be relatively low stakes, WTA and no quicker then 24 hour phase.. can be longer phases if needed.

So any takers..
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Sicarius (673 D)
21 Nov 12 UTC
Quick Question
Anyone know where I can find statistics on Iraq before the war and now (or recently)? looking for things like average wealth, access to services, crime, literacy, available food, infant mortality and birth defects, stuff like that
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Sicarius (673 D)
17 Nov 12 UTC
The magic of democracy
A question of moral transmutation
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johndonof (111 D)
21 Nov 12 UTC
live game
Join the live game that starts 4 minutes ancient med!
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redhouse1938 (429 D)
21 Nov 12 UTC
Today I had a bit of a situation
that will probably require the delicate intervention of COL NATHAN JESSUP

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VADyRbzg2l4
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mf8705 (100 D)
21 Nov 12 UTC
Didn't get a third build.
In the game http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=104456, I am South Africa. I should have gotten three builds this spring. I had it set up to do a Fleet in San (antarctica), a fleet in South Africa, and a army in Namibia. The two fleets were built correctly, but the army was not built. I had the options for all three and I am positive I had it set up right, but only two were built. Please fix this.
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taos (281 D)
21 Nov 12 UTC
pm question
i received a pm with a link a few days ago,but because the pm column is now full with notifies about game phases and other stuff,the link went down and i can't find it.
how can i get the link now?
anyway if the answer is "no way" ,does someone have the link for the webdip site alberto was advertising?
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Celticfox (100 D(B))
15 Nov 12 UTC
SWTOR
Anyone else going to try the free to play version of this MMO?
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redhouse1938 (429 D)
13 Nov 12 UTC
"A Hundred Thousand Games", EoG thread
"The quickest way of ending a war is to lose it."
-George Orwell
rokakoma (19138 D)
13 Nov 12 UTC
I will try to write my eog asap.
redhouse1938 (429 D)
13 Nov 12 UTC
Mine's probably due this weekend. Be nice to me roka, that solo attempt was not so bad at all :P
rokakoma (19138 D)
13 Nov 12 UTC
I will not be nice to you ... at all! :)
redhouse1938 (429 D)
13 Nov 12 UTC
Attempting to solo in a WTA game is not a mistake, roka. Perhaps I should have approached it differently, but I reached 17 centers very rapidly and was not far away from winning the game. France could have decided to throw the game, knowing there was a significant probability we'd cut him out of the draw later. I stand by my decision to try to go for the solo, even if it failed. Just so you know. :-)
achillies27 (100 D)
13 Nov 12 UTC
Red house, you should have known we were good enough players to not take any chances, we could have had a three way.
As for my EoG, I will do that later.
redhouse1938 (429 D)
13 Nov 12 UTC
achillies, it was never your abilities that I doubted, it was France's possible disloyalty to that four-way that I played on, I respected all of your qualities.
rokakoma (19138 D)
13 Nov 12 UTC
achillies27 is right. It was poor judgement on your behalf redhouse, underestimating us we will make a mistake.
redhouse1938 (429 D)
13 Nov 12 UTC
See last post, roka. I always respected your and achillies' qualities. What I hoped was that France would make a different calculation, avenging England's invasion with his nation and assuming his chance to be in the final configuration to be small and throwing the game to me instead. He played that very nicely. I wasn't interested in the three way at the end, the game had lasted long enough and I had a chance to finish my diplo-career, as my other last game finished minutes earlier.
redhouse1938 (429 D)
13 Nov 12 UTC
*invasion of his nation
achillies27 (100 D)
13 Nov 12 UTC
No prob Redhouse.
rokakoma (19138 D)
13 Nov 12 UTC
yeah it's fine, all I'm saying as achillies statesd already, it could have been a 3-way if you pull back properly earlier, before france got the 3rd unit.
rokakoma (19138 D)
13 Nov 12 UTC
About careers, I still have 1 ongoing game left, in which I will die today probably, marking my last game as well. I will try to write the EoG before that.
Gen. Lee (7588 D(B))
13 Nov 12 UTC
and you guys are retiring why?
redhouse1938 (429 D)
13 Nov 12 UTC
True, very true. I knew that very well. But there was also the chance that I would solo if France had helped me. It was not unplausible of me to assume that there were hard feelings between the three of you that may or may not be conciliated at the exact moment they had to be conciliated, when I reached the forming stalemate line. It was also not unplausible to assume that there was a probability that France would reason he would die anyways, and rather survive in a Turkish solo than be defeated.

I made no mistake in my calculations there and also I did not assume anyone of you to make a mistake. All I did was calculated probabilities and desired outcomes. For me, a small chance of a solo with aggregate four-way draw if it failed was a much more interesting perspective than an assured three-way draw.
redhouse1938 (429 D)
13 Nov 12 UTC
I think it should read unreasonable where it now reads unplausible.
redhouse1938 (429 D)
13 Nov 12 UTC
Re: Gen. Lee
Places to go, people to see
Fortress Door (1837 D)
13 Nov 12 UTC
and I will be writing an EOG later, but to sum it up

Italy attacked me like a mad wolf, Sandgoose got banned so redhouse came. Turkey adn I pushed Italy back, I swapped to Italy, keep switching sides, joined Turkey, and he killed me
rokakoma (19138 D)
13 Nov 12 UTC
Germany EoG:

As always, I was happy getting germany, my favourite country.

I offered england a strong alliance, right from the start, which I think is the best with germany. (A french alliance is also god, I prefer England) The deal was, I build armies he builds fleet and we live hand-in-hand forever :D

Russia had an NMR first phase, also I built a fleet with english approval. We decided england gets sweden temprary, until he can grab Brest, then I get it.

Things were running smoothly, England got into StP, I got warshaw, then England got Moscow. Meanwhile we were advancing against france. Everything went by the book.

Here comes the "BUT":
I wanted to stab England when it's appropriate, to do that I had to get rid of his fleet stuck behind my lines. I had his trust, so when I got sweden (as part of the original deal) I asked him to disband that fleet)
1906 Autumn, was the PERFECT moment for a stab. Turkey wanted me to take moscow (which I refused constantly because I had this plan in place already) When 1906 Autumn ended, I was in the position to take norway, north sea, and give moscow to turkey.

England would have lost 2SCs and north sea, putting me into a perfect position while frnace was contained.

Then came stupid turkey, who for some ununderstandable reason copy-pasted my message to england, revealing my plan. It was quite disgusting, but looking over that, it completeley made no sense at all. There was no benefit for turkey, all he benefited I couldn't do the stab, I continued to work with england, making our alliance even stronger.

I was REALLY angry at turkey, so I decided to help Austria+Italy, but sadly austria made a misorder which basically doomed their fate, also made me lose warshaw, and so on. Without that single misorder in 1907 spring, the game would have looked completely different. I mean COMPLETELY!

From this point it was clear we cannot stop turkey at the mosc+ukr+war stalemate line, and we will lose war+mosc.

All this would have been still okay, but then came the stupidest stab EVER. England jumping on me, with no viable plan, no benefit for him, and no long-term outlook at all. HE couldn't pull it off (as it was expected). It was totally useless and pointless, all he achived is a french survival.

As far as I remember the reason behind was, he couldn't expand further in the short term. But as I see it, it's a general misunderstanding everywhere, that short term gains worths more. NO! This game is about patience, waiting for the right moment. Turkey was all over me during the whole game, urging me to stab england, or to attack france, etc etc. Being impatient makes you LOSE. As turkey's impaientce resulted a 4-way, or as England's stab resulted a turkish solo threat.

About the endgame. After my survival the only question was, how to eliminate france and have a 3-way. Sadly Turkey didn't realize he doesn't have a solo chance and we won't let that happen. He tried to show us pullback, but he never met our demands. Of course he was still complaining about why I don't do this or that, but either he underestimated me and my capability to evaluate the position (which is quite insulting to someone with my experience) or he was just impatient again hoping for a french betrayal.

About the game: we had a few NMRs, player changes, etc. All which doesn't fit into a game which was supposed to be the celebration, in a way, of this website. But regardless of that, it was a good game and how much I hated the turkish way of playing I have to admit he was the solo threat at the end. Which is still an achivement.
He made me beleive we are allying against england, he made england beleive he is allining against me, but most of all, he made italy beleive, he's an ally.

Anyone who beleive an italian/turkish alliance can EVER work, if fool. Sooner or later in every game, the turish fleets have only one direction to go to. WEST. Obviously. No matter how good position italy is, those turkish fleets will come at some point. Italy/Austrian fight was a huge advantage for turkey, not speaking about the russian NMR in the 1st turn.

All-in-all I really enjoyed, since I barely play fullpress games, it was fun, and despite the events which made me crazy, I have to say I could talk to everyone at every time in a good style, without being insulted, or anything alike. I'm happy this has been my last game on this website.
bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
13 Nov 12 UTC
I almost asked for a game link.
Fortress Door (1837 D)
13 Nov 12 UTC
well, I think I managed to piss off Italy and the old Turkey in the first year, so that didn't help >.<
gramilaj (100 D)
13 Nov 12 UTC
01: England floats DMZing the channel and "staying out of the FG conflict". I balk, halfheartedly propose a Triple, but no one bites so I start to suspect I'm the odd man out. Germany makes nice noises.

Russia NMRs and I'm in trouble. Mistake no. 1: I wiff the move into Belgium and I'm in more trouble. Germany is pissed about my opening. Still getting nice noises from Germany, but England has largely shut his press with me down, so I know which direction he's likely to head.

02: Germany lies a lot about what's going on with Russia. If EG are fighting Russia together, they'll be fighting me together also. Ask England if he's moving to Nth or EC. He lies for no benefit, then warns me that he's moving to Brest and that I really should, had better cover it. No question in my mind that I'm staying in MAO, he's an easy player to read. Germany takes Belgium and survival mode is activated. I start directing my diplomacy to the other side of the board to try and get someone to help me, or get someone big enough to threaten a solo.

03: Point out to Germany (correctly) that he picks up more dots more quickly from England than me. Doesn't seem to make a difference. I start getting short with England to see if that'll resonate. Don't understand his moves (Lon to Wales? wtf?) and lock out Burgundy so I'm safe until MAO cracks. New Turkey comes, TLDRs my press box, asks me to move to WES and convoy to Wales. If I convoy to Wales I don't survive the game. The board view up to here doesn't make it crystal clear, but EG are working very well together, and threatening England without threatening Germany makes Germany nothing but happy and puts him in Burgundy.

Germany gives me a nice pep talk about how sometimes things just don't go your way. Thanks.

04: Mistake no. 2 in the game, I take Belgium. Should have just tapped it, I had no illusions about holding it and my only sole diplomatic goal is breaking EG, and the move to North flipped England out so the time was ripe. First Diplomatic traction I've gotten with anyone all game is trashed, but it sounds like Germany might have followed through anyway had he Turkey not leaked his press. Press with England for past two years:

F: "Want Belgium?"
E: "No."
F: "Anything else I can do?"
E: "No."

05: Mistake no. 3, Turkey is mean to me in Global Chat, so I broker an A/I alliance, knowing that it's in my best interests to have Turkey grow as quickly as possible. This turned out fine, I don't think E stabs G in 08 with Turkey maintaining their momentum.

Also, after 5 years of agressive EG action, I haven't lost a center. I'm proud.

05-08: A/I can't get it together, and EG grind away at me more slowly than a snail. I lose my first center in F07. In 06 England disbands Sweden. Excellent diplomacy from Germany, that would have never flown with me.

07: Start working on the English, stop talking to the German. Tell Englishman I want him to have everything of mine, on the condition that he sticks it to the German. Let him walk into Portugal in 07 with the promise of Spain and Mar in 08 (intending to lose neither of those). Game got fun for me again, and if Turkey is fast enough, I might make it into the drawer.

08: Things work out, England stabs Germany. Turkey asks me my plans, I don't share because he's doing exactly what I need and sharing with the board is going to fuck me. Walked out of Spain, then right back in in the Fall. No contact form Germany after the stab, which surprises me.

09: Goes very well for England, things are looking good.

10: England doesn't want to go into Ruhr, which I think is a mistake, then gets slammed by Germany for all his gains. Good dip from Turkey keeping Munich unoccupied. EG conflict is over, gaining me a two year respite, and the board starts flipping about a Turkish solo shot, when it's been Turkey at 17 since 03. I'm surprised by this press.

11: EG comes after me again, again very slowly. After reading Germany's EOG, the thing that kept me alive was England's agreement to not build armies. He had too many fleets the whole game, so I was able to hold Burgundy and not worry about convoys from behind. Turkey is also moving slowly, no idea why he's moving into Livonia, backing off Munich.

12: Turkey comes roaring forward at exactly the right time! He's diplomatically manipulating IA with considerable skill. I throw out my first "do this or I throw the solo card" with England he convoys the army back to London. I take Belgium. Germany let slip that I was supporting Munich, or I might have gotten a build, actually it was the slip that convinced me to take Belgium. Turkey told me Germany told him.

13: Here on out I spend all my time convincing E/G that I will throw the solo if they don't do everything that I ask (I only ask for two more things, for Holland, and for England to build an army or fleet Lvp not move, ever). I try to convince Turkey I am going to throw the solo because EG are going to cut me out.

14: Oh noes, Turkey is pulling back! But, but, I just know I'm being cut out, guess it's time to throw the solo! Come back!

15: Might make the draw, Germany says I can have Holland.

16: Turkey is pulling back! But, but I know I'm being cut out, it's time to throw the solo! Come back! Germany won't give me Holland, I have no choice but the throw the solo! I start not readying my moves. Turkey feels like an impatient player, I suspect not readying will get him eventually.

It was nice playing with all of you. Not the best result, but considering the relatively unrelenting EG pressure, I'm proud of my play, and was honored to be part of this game.
BosephJennett (866 D)
13 Nov 12 UTC
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=100000
achillies27 (100 D)
13 Nov 12 UTC
I will have my EoG this weekend, but looking at others' EoGs is very helpful for me to improve how i play, so thank you for the criticism everyone, my EoG will be up on the weekend. And France, I dont understand why I wasnt messaging you very much, sorry about that.
Tasnica (3366 D)
13 Nov 12 UTC
Great EoGs. I love reading these.
gramilaj (100 D)
13 Nov 12 UTC
@achillies27, I'm looking forward to your EOG, I got the feeling from early in the game that I had rubbed you the wrong way somehow (I was fundamentally annoying to a lot of players in this game) and that there wasn't much chance of us working together. Maybe it was just a small amount of press, but it was partially my fault too. I would try to bait you with small observations, but they never turned into tactical conversations, so mostly I wrote you off and did most of my (totally failed) diplomacy flailing with Germany. I would like to know if that feeling was right and if I did something diplomatically to send you into the hands of Germany (though I was in the hands of Germany as soon as you said you didn't want to get involved in our conflict)

I think it's easier to hide lies if you're sending lots of press. Because you almost never offered info, when you did offer something that I didn't ask for, I could pretty sure it was a lie. This is why I generally tell people the truth when it doesn't directly hurt me. Building up a relationship is (obviously) important, and so is having the reputation as a person who occasionally just says stuff out of the blue.
Gen. Lee (7588 D(B))
13 Nov 12 UTC
lol, achillies is fond of the one word answers. Well I guess I've only played a couple full-press games with him to be fair.
redhouse1938 (429 D)
17 Nov 12 UTC
GAME SUMMARY, gameID=100000

Classic, WTA, full-press, non-anon, 100 D, PW protected

Turkey: DRAW '17, 17 SCs, Sandgoose ('S01-S'03 - banned) redhouse1938 (A'03-A'17), Balkan concentration
England: DRAW, 9 SCs, achillies27, Churchill opening
Germany: DRAW, 5 SCs, rokakoma, Blitzkrieg opening - Dutch variation
France: DRAW, 3 SCs, gramilaj, Atlantic opening - Belgian gambit
Italy: Defeated '14, WarLegend, Classical Lepanto
Austria: Defeated '14, Fortress Door, Galician Gambit
Russia: Defeated '05, Zachattack, -

"EoG by Turkey: Dynamic Play"

Introduction
I was following the "live games thread" one day and I noticed how the gameIDs were hitting the 99900s. That was interesting! It could be an oppurtunity to ensure that the 100.000th game would be a real classic WTA FP game! So I created some games when the late 99900s appeared that were all named "A Hundred Thousand Games" and luckily, my tries included gameID=100000!
I wanted this game to be dynamic and high level, so I set the phase length at 24h and I picked the 7 best players who applied for participation in the game creation thread. Unfortunately, Russia NMR'ed at the start and never came back to full participation after that. It's no surprise three of Russia's four neighbors made it to the last four players to draw the game.
Sandgoose went on holidays and I sat his account and to ensure continuity in the game after he was banned I decided it would be best if I took his place, so gramilaj sent me the password (TY) that I'd forgotten and I finished the game for Turkey, almost soloing it, but falling one SC short.

1903-1907: Rearranging Alliances
When I started playing in A'03 first as a sitter for SG and then as myself, I perceived a huge problem, that would dominate my play until A'07: Sandgoose had allied with Germany and Italy, while I perceived these nations to be the largest obstacle to my expansion. Also, he did not have good relationships with Russia and Austria, which I - despite their size - considered to be of paramount importance to my expansion. I'm a strong believer in dealing with small nations. In a WTA game, they can get you the solo. Moreover, it seemed like Italy was the major beneficiary of the IT alliance and Germany of the GT alliance.
I broke relations with Germany in favor of Russia, who ultimately didn't respond to my gestures at all and just gave up. He apologized for this. Moreover, I decided to stab Italy (who felt my disagreement with the way Sandgoose left his diplomacy in 1903 and saw the stab coming) and spent a lot of time trying to convince Austria I wanted him to be my partner.

1907-1911: War with Germany and Italy
In S'07, Germany, who had been allied to England since the beginning, makes a curious move: Kie-Bal. That move turns out to provoke a lot of the dynamics that dominate 1907 and even the years to follow.
For me, Kie-Bal (even despite its apparent compensatory move Swe-Den) can only mean one thing: Germany is preparing to stab England. He told me as much, and wanted to ally with me against England, but only at a moment of his choosing. I wanted this restructuring of alliances to be immediate, because I was afraid that by waiting, Germany was either holding a carrot in front of me that he'd take away at D-Day or that he was trying to maneuver himself into a position where he could dominate our alliance when it started.
The problem that I'm having at this point and the reason that I sent England the German press revealing Germany's plans, is that England doesn't feel the need to become closer to my nation upon Kie-Bal. In earlier EoGs, England's tendency to provide one-word answers has been commented on and I was baffled by his intransigence after Kie-Bal. This was the reason I sent the copy-pasted transcript, not to tell England that he was about to be stabbed, but that he just had been effectively stabbed. I'd never have done this if I believed that the stab wasn't in progress.
England then confronted Germany with his copies and they sort of re-ally, which causes me to feel a great frustration about the game. I put my draw and cancel flags up and tell the others that if they don't want to make place for a new player on board, we might as well stop.
And there's one more thing during this period that irritates me, the use of hold-orders. They really get my blood boiling. A Diplomacy game should be dynamic. In the period that everybody can still solo all units should be moving all the time. This is a belief that I only developed recently, but one that I really hope to convert a lot of players to. Only very, very rarely did I submit hold orders during this game (the only ones I can recall were the 1909 hold orders for Sevastopol, which was intended to stop any English advancement into my terrain, and the hold orders I issued when I was demonstrating my willingness to retreat from the 17SC southern stalemate line at the end).
A last source of my annoyance is with France. France is a very luxurious country to play, having the best shot at a solo of all nations. I told France that of the two games I played as France on this site at the same basic settings as this one (WTA FP non-live), I'd won one and 17-17 split another. It made no impression whatsoever. Again and again, France would ignore my advice to him and lose terrain. My first advice, in 1903, was to move MAO-Wes and move Gas-Spa so he could start an invasion of Italy with me. Instead, he moved MAO-NAO. If you follow the trajectory of this fleet until it comes back into MAO in S05, you see how absolutely pointless it became upon discarding my council.
Anyways, despite my Global press-diatribes against basically all players on board I manage to forge an alliance with England and Austria that eventually makes me the dominant player on the board.

1911-1914, Preparing a close solo or a draw
In the period between 1911 and 1914, after lots of negotiations and demonstrations of good faith, I broker a deal with Austria and Italy. I explain to them that I have the power to destroy both their nations, but won't if they help me solo. In exchange for surviving, they have to do exactly as I tell them.
Although I admit to eliminating both in 1914, they made a wise decision, because if I'd gotten to the stalemate line a second earlier, I would definitely have followed through on this plan all the way. I would have been glad to stretch out the game if I could be sure of a solo with AI in it as survivors. It made me very sad that in 1914, E/G/F had put into place a strong and effective stalemate line, that maybe I could pick one center from with France's help, but the chance of a real breakthrough diminshed to a point where I started suspecting a draw was going to be the more likely outcome and the agreement I made with Italy concerned only his survive in a solo, not his participation in a draw.
With Austria, during this period, I'd make an additional agreement to keep him in the draw, after he essentially begged me to do so. I was very uncomfortable with his attempt to extend our agreement, which in itself I had trouble keeping and convinced that an honest "no" would be detrimental to both my solo and my "narrow-draw" attempt, I lied to him about it.

1915-1917, Last solo attempt
Relations became very tense during this period. France was not online very often and when he was, his messages were often cryptic. I grew impatient with him and I don't regret that particularly; I come on this site to have fun, not to win primarily. If a person is hard to read and reach and I have to start asking all sorts of questions to find out what he means, I get cranky. That's something for grown-up Diplomacy. At the end of 1914 I inform Austria (and Italy) of their impending death out of respect for our previous alliance (I regret that now) and tell Austria that all I can do for him at this point is to submit a support-move order from Silesia to get him into Munich, which I follow through on. Possibly, Austria thought that this was a diversion for the scenario in which I only used one of the two units surrounding Vienna to capture it and he decided to bounce Vienna instead, to no effect.
Boh-Mun could have been a game-changing event. Austria would not have obtained Munich, but France would have obtained Ruhr, possibly souring F-G relationships very seriously. In fact, even if I'd had a good communication with France going throughout the game and would have known (in retrospect France hinted at the Ruhr attack without really saying it or even discussing it) that at this point he was prepared to go as far as invading Germany, then I would have most certainly tapped Munich myself from Silesia.
I believe that Germany at this point (A'14) should have regulated the Low Countries by an eternal bounce between Holland and Belgium, perhaps unilateral, without ever supporting Hol-Bel with Ruh. That way, the moment Bel-Ruh was succesful, Germany would have taken Belgium in exchange and force a French destroy, which would have made subsequent invasion of Germany harder. I do understand Germany's consideration at this point, that even proposing Hol-Bel could have aggrevated France, but if he could have conveyed the message that tapping Belgium was by no means an aggressive, but a defensive move, that would have been a diplomatic victory and given the delicacy of the A'14 situation, a better decision IMHO.
The following years are characterized by a cat and mouse game. As you can see, I combine my A'14 solo move with a massive retreat.
I want to show to France that I have a lot of space to withdraw to and that his inability to expand means he will be eventually cut out of the draw that he's now trying so hard to stay in. France effectively understands his situation and is clearly going back and forth between surviving a Turkish solo and trying to join the draw. To my rather cruel amusement, Germany is outraged with my continuing attempts to solo and to sway France to help me do it.

1917 draw
A few minutes prior to my draw flag ending this game, gameID=89627 is wrapped up. I'd been planning my webdip retirement for some time now and felt that cutting France out of the 100000 game would have cost another 5 years at least and it was far from sure England and Germany would have participated in that plan (Germany was adament that he wouldn't, England I believe was not so sure about it). I wanted to basically concentrate all my units around Syria, then bring them back to a minimal holdout position that excluded Vienna, Moscow and Tunis (these would be transferred to G/E) and wait for G/E to kill France. But all of that required a dedication I no longer felt to my games on this site and I took the oppurtunity to end my both last games as part of a 4-way draw. After an almost-succesful solo-attempt, I was not too unhappy with the final outcome, I tried right?

On the different players:

Zachattack (R): you really need to make up your mind on whether you want to join a game. If you want to step out, do it in an orderly fashion: make a thread that asks for a sitter, or at least make the best possible defensive moves, such as issuing a readied set of support hold orders every turn that buys you time and slows down what you perceive to be the inevitable decline of your nation in a way that doesn't disrupt the balance of power on the board irreperably.

Fortress Door (A): you are still young and you will become a fine diplomat. GG.

WarLegend (IT): I can't really pinpoint a specific reason for your demise and don't think there is one. I guess Italy is a tough country to play and if our roles had been reversed I think the outcome, Italian defeat, would have been the same. GG.

gramilaj (F): I believe you need to open up to other people's ideas and identify countries that may not be immediate neighbors, but could be very valuable long-distance allies. An investment in these countries at the beginning of the game could spare you a lot of time reparing relations later in the game. GG

achillies27 (E): Start sugar-coating your press ;-) Also, your units are holding too much. Be sure to look into that.

rokakoma (G): First of all, your analysis of the board is superb. It is clear that your experience as a gunboater got you a lot of skills in this game. Then, your press: I found it very good. It was balanced, you made it clear when you were angry about something without completely letting the rage take over, which meant your anger influenced my play. Your strategy was very good as well. I'd say you were the best player on the board. GG
There's one error that I found you making over and over though. I already commented on it, and studying the game in retrospect with the knowledge I have of the way it ended, I stand by that single criticism: you submit too many hold orders and should make your play much more dynamic.
Examples:
A'05: Bel h, War h, Mun h? If you're moving Kie-Den, why not go all the way with War-Mos and Bel-Wal or Bel-Lon [Eng C]?
A'07-S'08: Den h, Bal h? Prepare an attack on England! He certainly is preparing one on you! (see S'09)
A'11: Bel h? Why not Bel S Bur h? (This was quite possibly a misorder)
A'14: Hol h? Hol-Bel of course! (see above)

PS: I'm sorry Germany that my criticism of your play was somewhat longer than that of the others, but there's a reason for that. You were the best player on board and that means that anything you do wrong is much more subtle than the mistakes of the others (including myself), requiring more explanation. Let it be very clear, AFAIC you were the best.
redhouse1938 (429 D)
17 Nov 12 UTC
PS guys: don't forget to write an EoG

(everybody who is in this game promised to write one to be admitted :P )
rokakoma (19138 D)
18 Nov 12 UTC
I thought I can leav ethe site, but it seems I have to answer, though I wasn't logged in for 5 days :D

So:
A'05: Bel h, War h, Mun h?
This was part of the deal with england, which you couldn't see. As I already stated, there was a deal I get sweden on the long run, until we had to position england properly against france. I had to hold french lines, I knew I will get sweden for free and a new build. I was in no hurry.

A'07-S'08: Den h, Bal h?
THE STAB, which I prepared very well, should have happened in 1907 Spring, as you screwed it up, I had no intention, whatsoever to go against enlang anymore. I wanted to grow your frustration, not prepare on him. Yes he was preparing on me, but he was in a very bad stab position (proved later) so I didn't expect him to do such a sucidal stab.

A'11: Bel h? Why not Bel S Bur h?
I wanted to take berlin, there was a misorder. But burgundy holding belgium was because I was afraid england will attack me. I wasn't holding burgundy because I wanted england to get into gascony, that was part of a deal too. If I held, then england hadn't been able to convoy next year. I wanted to lose burgundy!

A'14: Hol h?
If I had taken belgium, and you move tyr+boh+pru then france would have been pissed, and give you the solo. I should have secured burgundy first, for which you didn't pull back enough. Taking belgium at 1914 Autumn would have been a suicide mission, giving you the solo. Actually you moved on us everywhere by 1915 Spring, meaning I made the right call.


And generally about holding units: what you didn't see is the press between england an me. There were a lot of long term (2-3 years) agreements which we actually fullfilled later (brest, sweden, moscow) Our eastern line was okay, so we had to work on our western position which took time. I still maintain my opinion you are impatient. Sometimes not taking certain territories worth a lot more, than taking them.

In gunboats it's different, there's no press you can't assume there's a deal behind the strange moves. But here, there were. I recall my 14k pot game EoG where I not just holded units a lot, but I even postponed builds to slow myself down! Too rapid expansion can collapse. And I was right there too, I made my enemies sleep over the crucial moments. Patience is gold! ;)

And thank you for your kind words in general, I appreciate it :)
achillies27 (100 D)
18 Nov 12 UTC
Will make my EoG later, as I said earlier, thanks for all the criticism, I want l get better :)
redhouse1938 (429 D)
18 Nov 12 UTC
"And generally about holding units: what you didn't see is the press between england an me. "

Then by all means don't change your strategy :-D
redhouse1938 (429 D)
18 Nov 12 UTC
@achillies, looking forward to it!
achillies27 (100 D)
18 Nov 12 UTC
Okay, My all important EoG is up next:
First off, looking around my borders, I see Rokakoma, who I know from Gunboats and I think a few Full press. I know he is a good player. As for gramilaj (is that how you spell it?) I know he must be a good player to be in this, and i never underestimate people I havent played against, which I havent played gramilaj. Ive played Zachattack before, he is good as well.
1901-1903
I talk to France about a standard DMZs and such, tell him Im not interested in the German-France Conflict (which I was until Germany sold me on the alliance). Me and France are happy with it, everything is going well. My talks with germany go well, except he wants sweden. He also wants me to move against France. germany pulls some awesome diplomancing, getting me sold on attacking France. FTR, my original plan (it is almost always this) was go for Russia off the start, then side with whatever country was doing better on the Franco-German Conflict. I manage to get him to give me Sweden, for the time being. Now, Im in the Channel and... Im not sure why i do this, but i tell France Im going for Brest. I swear I dont know why I did this, it was a while ago :( This was mainly the beginning diplomancing Ive done.

Mid-Game
Later on, me and Germany have an aweosme alliance, I dont want to listen to France anymore, I dont like leading people on- I wouldnt have stabbed germany, and thats all he wanted to talk about :( That is the reason for the 'No's France, no problem on your part France, just Me and Germany worked well together. Im able to take St Petes and Germany takes Warsaw, I get moscow later as well. We are stilll attcking France, though we dont make much progress for a while. Germany wants me to give him sweden- Since we agreed, I allowed it. Then! Turkey messages me some of my German Friends press... that was Very helpful. Luckily, me and germany are able to conserve our alliance and are playing well. Oh, and Turkey posts a Global message about his dissapointment with the game and the players (That made me quite sad)
End-Game.
I make a stupid decision and start to talk with France and turkey about stabbing Germany. Things go well, We all attack him. I have a good year and am tied with Turkey in SC count.... Unfortunately, I lose everything I gain that turn, and Turkey stabs me and starts going FTW... I make peace with everyone, and we stop him.

as for the length of my messages... I play live a lot, that probably has something to do with it ;)
This EoG Long enough? I can go into more detail, just I dont remember much from the start, and for the Endgame, it is pretty straightforward.
achillies27 (100 D)
18 Nov 12 UTC
Btw, you guys are very good players.
redhouse1938 (429 D)
18 Nov 12 UTC
Lol, when we agreed we'd write EoGs, we didn't specify length, so yeah sure it's long enough, thanks, I learn a little something again reading your EoG. Again, GG and thanks for playing to you, achillies, and all of the others as well, and I'm hoping to read more EoGs.
achillies27 (100 D)
18 Nov 12 UTC
Awesome redhouse.
gramilaj (100 D)
19 Nov 12 UTC
Bump for the Austrian and Italian EOGs.
redhouse1938 (429 D)
21 Nov 12 UTC
Bump: write and learn guys! Writing EoGs makes you a better player, as you become more and more conscious of what you do and the choices that are / were at your availability.
Fortress Door (1837 D)
21 Nov 12 UTC
Working on it...

but yeah, simple answer. I sucked. My very short EOG is more than enough to summarize what happened


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Mapu (362 D)
17 Nov 12 UTC
Diplohaulics Anonymous Mini Tournament
Details inside.
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orathaic (1009 D(B))
20 Nov 12 UTC
Oh Sweden, where will it stop?
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2012/11/14/world/europe/swedish-school-de-emphasizes-gender-lines.xml
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abgemacht (1076 D(G))
20 Nov 12 UTC
You Made Me Do This EOG
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Frank (100 D)
21 Nov 12 UTC
D3 player with 138 points in 36 minutes
Discuss. http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/8658462/jack-taylor-grinnell-drops-138-points-collegiate-scoring-record
Also, youtube some highlights of this team, they just constantly fullcourt press and jack threes.
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