Also, the US census considers a large portion of those as white :)

Not to mention those sorts of "white" would largely be legally discriminated against by a jury for having the names and religious backgrounds they have. (Except the Portuguese, but I'm not entirely sure about them.)

It's almost like the US has been skimming the cream off the immigrant crop for decades.

Really, even if that data were true, of course expat communities are better off.

Somebody fails at statistics. There are no basic controls for education level as obviously the US government isn't allowing unemployed and impoverished people into the country.

http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/asianamericans-graphics/indians/st_12-06-17_aa_indian_education-3/

Surprise, surprise. .

Yes. I am merely pointing out the absurdity of claims that white people enjoy some sort of better treatment in the US because of their skin color.

Strange, I wasn't sure median income was the only measure of better treatment. Learn something new every day.

http://inequality.org/racial-inequality/

Liberals love to point out racial income inequality, but the data I posted in OP shows that minorities are not necessarily at a disadvantage. I wonder if there are reasons other than "white privilege" that some minority groups are earning so much less...

Thanks for publicly burning the strawman, leon. I look forward to the part where you read literally anyone else's comments.

I don't get what you mean by skimming the cream off the immigrant crop

Way more people want to immigrate to the US than actually can. Several immigration processes basically filter for the most valuable (read: most likely to be successful) immigrants. This is especially true when considering countries outside the Anglosphere. As such, it's no big surprise when we find ethnicities, relatively miniscule fractions of the population (how many Lebanese-Americans are there?), largely comprised of recent immigrants, who are disproportionately successful compared to populations that weren't filtered in that way. That's why it's important to (a) control for things like education level before looking at income disparities, and (b) look at the population size of the ethnicities under discussion. A simplistic raw income-to-income comparison is confounded by factors having nothing to do with racial attitudes; nobody would claim otherwise, and that says nothing either for or against liberal ideas on racial inequality.

Lethologica why do you always have to be so fucking high and mighty? You act like statistic is your job or something

If a minority can succeed, even with better education, talent, etc., it shows that there is at the very least not a prevalent trend of discriminating against them. "Disadvantaged" minorities have a lower average income because of individual characteristics.

Better education =/= individual character and only individual character

I go to one of the only decent public schools in this country, and it's as well off as it is because high income people pay significant taxes which are used to go into the school. And then the smart ones leave because they can't thrive in Oklahoma, so it's not really a loop either.

Note: this public school also has a proportion of white individuals that is larger than the state average. :)

""Disadvantaged" minorities have a lower average income because of individual characteristics."

Right, which is why there is so much police violence towards unarmed suburban white kids? Also it's clear you've never visited a single public school in an urban district. You're comparing people already educated with advanced degrees who are filtered by the US immigration authorities who have needed skills have higher incomes than historically impoverished minority groups with little to no access to quality education where education funded is based on property taxes and largely de facto segregated by race.

How can you compare Indians coming from elite schools in India from wealthy families and kids in Detroit who go to schools infested with rats with undrinkable water and wash America's hands of institutional discrimination? Not to mention the systemic incarceration of certain ethnic groups which breaks up families and takes away job prospects. How many Indian-Americans are in jail for non-violent drug offenses, I wonder?

I also go to a high-achieving school, on in California. I fail to see how taxes or being unable to thrive in Oklahoma has to do with the topic. My high school happens to be 70% Asian (myself included).

@Putin Have you ever considered that police are more likely to use force against certain minorities because they commit more violent crimes? That's why you don't see the same "excessive violence" against Asian Americans. It is true that I have not visited urban public schools because there is a culture of violence that emanates in the urban cores. I am not comparing educated, affluent minorities with the impoverished ones. I am comparing them with the white majority and making the point that there is no systematic discrimination that favors them.

The water in Detroit schools are drinkable, and there is no institutional discrimination. Please do not exaggerate with you conspiratorial ramblings. The "systematic incarceration" is the result of a culture that promotes crime. Indian-Americans are not in jail for drug offenses because they, for the most part, don't do drugs. Does such obvious logic escape you?

Is your high-achieving school a public school?

http://foreignpolicy.com/2015/03/27/india-heroin-alley-punjab-opium/

http://www.people.com/people/mobile/article/0,,20984561,00.html

You haven't visited the schools but you insist everyone has the same access to education. You don't know what you're talking about. You come from privilege and claim the American dream is accessible to everyone, blacks and Latinos are just racially disposed to crime and laziness.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=84phU8of02U

@TrPrado It is a public school.

@Putin
"http://foreignpolicy.com/2015/03/27/india-heroin-alley-punjab-opium/"

We are talking about Indian-Americans, which many have already pointed out have, on average, better character than their brethren back in India.

"http://www.people.com/people/mobile/article/0,,20984561,00.html"

Schools are funded by the local and State governments. That is an economic problem, not a problem of discrimination.

"blacks and Latinos are just racially disposed to crime and laziness."

African-Americans and Latino-Americans are disposed to crime and laziness, not blacks and Latinos. Just like the Pacific and Atlantic barriers filter out the undesirables, circumstances filter out Latinos and blacks with certain characteristics. Affluent Latinos have no reason to seek immigration, so only the poor, desperate and uncultured come across the border. In the African-American community, there is a culture of thuggery, as can be discerned by listening to the content of rap produced by it.

"https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=84phU8of02U"

The Onion...

As far as the message of the video goes, there are certain actions a scrawny 16-year-old girl simply can't believably commit.

I'm aware of the source material. It's a decent satire but...

"so only the poor, desperate and uncultured come across the border"
Fuck you to the moon and back. Uncultured? Un-fucking-cultured? That's my family, who had to fucking abandon our language and culture and marry into white families to get a leg into society. When Latinos come across the border, they're immediately treated like shit, greeted by people who have wanted to throw them back for at least a century now. They and their children are disenfranchised, polarized, and treated worse than other immigrants, whether or not they came here legally. The only reason I'm not treated to the same experience is because my family has been becoming increasingly white over the past couple generations. Ignorant prick.

"As far as the message of the video goes, there are certain actions a scrawny 16-year-old girl simply can't believably commit."
Stabbing someone with a screwdriver is a pretty universally capable crime.

If the Latino side of your family married into white families solely to move up a supposed social ladder, then you're the prick. As far as being uncultured, I mean being less conditioned to civilized behavior. Call me racist if you want to, but that is the general trend.

I would be uninclined to believe a narrative about the scrawny young girl beating a big muscular man to death with her bare hands, but I would believe a big muscular man is capable of doing so to the scrawny young girl.

"Call me racist if you want to"

Done.

No, that wasn't the sole purpose (I can absolutely guarantee that my grandparents love each other), but marrying up most definitely helped my family end up where it is. Also, just because you aren't familiar with Latino culture doesn't mean it's not civilized. That definitively makes you an ignorant prick.

Fun side fact: Statistics have shown that a white person gets shorter sentences for committing the same or worse crimes than committed by Hispanic and African-American individuals.

Statistics are obviously biased or skewed unless they should that white privileged does not exist, am I right leon?

"We are talking about Indian-Americans, which many have already pointed out have, on average, better character than their brethren back in India."

So drug use is a serious problem in India, but magically Indian-Americans never do drugs, and you base this claim on the same essentializing collectivist tropes that you base your entire worldview on.

"Schools are funded by the local and State governments. That is an economic problem, not a problem of discrimination."

It is a demonstration of the barriers to higher economic standing facing urban communities, which you claim don't matter because highly educated immigrants do better than average whites. And yes, it is a matter of discrimination, because if white kids faced these conditions the government would not stand for it.

"If a minority can succeed, even with better education, talent, etc., it shows that there is at the very least not a prevalent trend of discriminating against them."

No, you see, that's not how this works. When I explain the reasons why your assertions are incorrect, simply restating those assertions doesn't actually accomplish anything, except maybe making you sound like you weren't paying attention.

""Disadvantaged" minorities have a lower average income because of individual characteristics."

Now, if I had faith that I was talking to someone who cared about this complex reality we live in, I would talk about how individual characteristics are indeed a contributing factor, and how individual characteristics are informed by circumstances, and how the history of discrimination helped produce those circumstances. Then I'd note that even accounting for all that, you're *still* ignoring discrimination in the present day.

But I don't have that faith, so a simple "you're wrong" will do. You're in school, right? Go find your history teachers and talk to them about this shit. They know way more about it than either of us. You might learn something.

"Also, just because you aren't familiar with Latino culture doesn't mean it's not civilized"

Again, Latino-Americans, not Latinos. And I should have phrased it better: they're on average more uncivilized, not uncultured. That tends to be true of all those with lower socioeconomic status regardless of ethnicity. It just so happens that, as I pointed out, Latino-Americans come in poor.

"Statistics have shown that a white person gets shorter sentences for committing the same or worse crimes than committed by Hispanic and African-American individuals."

Do the statistics account for the severity of crime? If not, then they show absolutely nothing.

"So drug use is a serious problem in India, but magically Indian-Americans never do drugs."

Drug use is only a severe problem among certain groups in India: in other words, the groups that would never be allowed to immigrate into the US.

"And yes, it is a matter of discrimination, because if white kids faced these conditions the government would not stand for it."

Another baseless statement

"Do the statistics account for the severity of crime?"
Considering that is literally the statistic cited, yes.

"Again, Latino-Americans, not Latinos...Latino-Americans come in poor."
The problem now is that your terms are absolutely confused. Latino-Americans are American citizens, which is why "American" is tagged on at the end. Hence they aren't "coming into" this country. They're here, trying to adapt to the imbalance of white preference in this society above their legal and economic treatment. And, yes, they are civilized. They aren't rapist cannibals walking in and trying to pick fights with every white person and distribute drugs among all youths. They try to make a living by doing things and attempting to become better off so they can feed their families. You know, civilized things.