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Gunfighter06 (224 D)
28 Mar 13 UTC
Speaking of conspiracy theories...
Is anyone else in America a little alarmed by the Department of Homeland Security's recent ammunition purchases? See below.
98 replies
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tendmote (100 D(B))
28 Mar 13 UTC
Why 10 minute live games?
Why 10 minute live games all over the place right now? It's almost never the case that you get 7 people who "ready up" so it just turns into a double-length live game.
12 replies
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redhouse1938 (429 D)
30 Mar 13 UTC
Will the successor to Obama be a Republican?
Discuss
61 replies
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Backslash0 (238 D)
31 Mar 13 UTC
Paused Game
I have a game still paused from last week's problems. How do I get it unpaused?
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Draugnar (0 DX)
31 Mar 13 UTC
Ladies and Gentlemen! We have another multi in our midst!
Note this is not a cheating accusation. The guy came out and said so right here: threadID=992185
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blankflag (0 DX)
30 Mar 13 UTC
the best website in the universe
http://pesl.byethost7.com/media/
what are people's opinions? mind you it is a work in progress. but there are two masterful pieces of art, the two one-minute youtube videos i made embedded at the bottom of the page. greatest webpage in the world?
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blankflag (0 DX)
31 Mar 13 UTC
bloomberg gangster of the day
http://xrepublic.tv/node/2723
bloomberg on piers morgan doesnt understand why the police arent removing all police services from communities as extortion by refusing to protect communities again until gun restriction laws are passed. it sounds like a joke, but isnt.
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zultar (4180 DMod(P))
31 Mar 13 UTC
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Two live games were canceled recently due to cheaters
I just canceled two games due to the fact there were cheaters involved. The game had just started (1901-2) so I hope no one lost too much time.
Cheaters, just beware. We are on the lookout and we will ban your cheating ass, live games or not.
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Smoove7182954 (0 DX)
31 Mar 13 UTC
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Accidentally put 2 profiles in the same game
How do i remove one of my 2 profiles from a game they are both in? at the time i forgot i added another profile in the game because it was anonymous. The name of the Game is Talcum Powder. http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=113759&msgCountryID=0&rand=40414#chatboxanchor
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chluke (12292 D(G))
30 Mar 13 UTC
When do full games start?
Question follows...
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bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
30 Mar 13 UTC
Eiffel Tower Bomb Threat
Uhh... that would be bad...
10 replies
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The Czech (40398 D(S))
31 Mar 13 UTC
Mods sending you an email please read
Live game involved
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Commander_Cool (131 D)
30 Mar 13 UTC
What to do if you suspect someone of multi/meta?
What it says on the tin. Theres a player I'm a little suspicious of and I'm wondering who I can talk to with regards to getting them discreetly checked out by the moderators
5 replies
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josunice (3702 D(S))
30 Mar 13 UTC
EoG GB Lando Tourney B-7
gameID=110234 4-draw Germany (josunice), Italy (Mapu), Turkey (PJMan), Russia (The Czech)
Did Germany miss a solo in 1910 when Mars was acheived? How could we have cut Russia out of the draw?
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josunice (3702 D(S))
30 Mar 13 UTC
EoG GB Lando Tourney B-5
gameID=110231 Austria win (josunice)
France and England are unable to coordinate and England cannot get enough boots on the ground as Austria takes Berlin and Munich... where should the solo have been stopped?
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josunice (3702 D(S))
30 Mar 13 UTC
EoG GB Lando Tourney B-4
gameID=110230 4-draw Austria/Italy and France/Germany

Austria/Italy destroyed Russia/Turkey and France/Germany took care of England. Could Italy have been kicked out of the draw in the end? Could Germany have made a run in 1911?
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josunice (3702 D(S))
30 Mar 13 UTC
EoG GB Lando Tourney B-1
gameID=110227 3-Draw Austria-Italy-Germany
Austria (Mapu) and Italy (The Czech) team up beautifully and Germany (me) tags along for the end game.
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josunice (3702 D(S))
30 Mar 13 UTC
EoG GB Tourney Group B
General comments for my brethren. I was not thrilled with my draw - 3 Germany, 2 Austria, 1 Turkey, 1 France, but hey, CStein got it worse with all Italy and Russia. Thanks Mapu, The Czech, Fulhamish, ava and Speaker for a great round, even if the very end was a grind!
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Jamiet99uk (873 D)
30 Mar 13 UTC
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feudalism scam
who here thinks that feudalism is a scam by the elites? if they hold all the land they can get even richer at the expense of their vassals
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erist (228 D(B))
30 Mar 13 UTC
Full press good
Looking for an anon full press game where the participants are known. Stakes don't matter. 5-100. Phases between 24-48 hours. Have been in a few great games lately and would like that trend to continue. Are you interested?
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josunice (3702 D(S))
30 Mar 13 UTC
EoG GB Lando Tourney B-2
gameID=110228 won by Germany (josunice)
Last of seven concurrent games, and I believe the win owed in part to player fatigue. Don't get me wrong, though, I'll take it
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ReBrock (189 D)
30 Mar 13 UTC
Unpause game!
Hi there pips!
Please unpause this game:
gameID=113248
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krellin (80 DX)
30 Mar 13 UTC
Nature Vs. Nurture in Sexuality
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/344291/dr-carson-banned-commencement-speech-john-fund
28 replies
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blankflag (0 DX)
29 Mar 13 UTC
a lesson in propaganda
homework assignment, watch this fox video on the jim carrey stupidity http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQF9YotN8fc
analyze and discuss
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josunice (3702 D(S))
29 Mar 13 UTC
EoG: Gray Press From Geneva with love (take zwei) gameID=110128
I confess, I didn't get what Gray Press meant... but interesting game!
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loki008 (183 D)
29 Mar 13 UTC
Requesting a game to be paused till Monday 4/1
One of the players had a death in the family so we would like to have the game paused till monday. Do i have to follow up on monday to get it unpaused or can you specify a pause time? Game ID 110692 Thank you very much
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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
29 Mar 13 UTC
"Jew in a Box"--New, From Germany! (WHAT. THE. HELL?)
http://news.yahoo.com/exhibit-jews-germany-raises-interest-ire-135713125.html I don't know who thought this was a good idea...but...really?! Yeah, stick a Jew in a glass cage like he/she's an animal and have visitors come by and gawk at him like they're some sort of Kafka-esque curiosity (see: The Hunger Artist/Der Hungerkunstler.) If Germans are really that curious about Jews...how about asking some? Go to a synagogue, or a deli...DON'T treat them like circus animals! >:(
abgemacht (1076 D(G))
29 Mar 13 UTC
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Don't people do odd things all the time in the name of art? Would you be this outraged if it was happening somewhere other than Germany? Do you really think the motivation behind this is anti-Semitic?
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
29 Mar 13 UTC
And that's WITHOUT even getting into the whole issue of how putting a Jew in a cage or box like that, glass or no, can have a pretty nasty historical connotation...something Germany of ALL nations should take note of!

I don't think I've ever agreed with a Rabbi here on site...but I certainly do here:

"Here [at the rabbi's temple/synagogue] Jews will be happy to answer questions without sitting in a glass box."

^Bingo! I agree 100%! Granted I'm of course no fan of religion, but yeah...that's very, very disappointing to hear, coming from Germany, given how strict its anti-Nazi laws are...this is just appalling, even if it's (likely) unintentionally so...

Who thought putting a Jew in a box was a good idea, and why not just go and ask a Jew at synagogue or deli or wherever? Hell, go on the Internet if you must...all of those are better options than this sort of "Step right up, step right up and see The Amazing Jew!" approach!
bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
29 Mar 13 UTC
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Obi, Germany has done more for Jewish people since the conclusion of World War II and has stuck up for human rights around the world while epitomizing itself as a model for just about everything that is good in the world. One exhibit doesn't change that. Yeah, it's dumb, it's provocative, it's offensive, but as much as you don't want Jewish people put in a box, don't put all German people in a box either.
ulytau (541 D)
29 Mar 13 UTC
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Obi's Much Ado About Nothing. A free person agreed to sit in a box to help with an intercultural experiment that was sure to ruffle some feathers. Instead of being butthurt, perhaps the Jews could be doing something productive like crashing the world economy or hoarding more Jew gold?
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
29 Mar 13 UTC
"Don't people do odd things all the time in the name of art?"

The article says the guy's there to answer questions, so I took that more along those lines than for art...I think it's appalling from an artistic standpoint as well (not to mention pandering to a post-modern sensibility) but the artistic argument and the argument I'm putting forward here are separate, so I'll treat them as such.

(And I see you've been promoted abgemacht, nice!) :)

"Would you be this outraged if it was happening somewhere other than Germany?"

I'd still be outraged, yes...I'll admit the fact that it's in GERMANY of all places *is* the kicker--half because of the obvious and half because I considered the country to have really turned things around on that front as, again, you won't find a nation with stricter anti-Nazi laws...the US has laxer laws about Nazism than Germany--but yes, I'd be outraged either way...and to be fair:

If it were "Armenian in a Box," say, or "Roma in a Box," I'd be outraged as well--

I don't like the treatment of ANY group of people as a circus attraction, I find that dehumanizing and frankly insulting...and then of course that it's Jews here, and then Germany on top of that, all that adds to it, but it doesn't change the underlying core of the outrage.

"Do you really think the motivation behind this is anti-Semitic?"

No, not intentionally Antisemitic, but that's part of what's so maddening AND saddening about this...

YOU'D THINK THEY'D *KNOW* BETTER.

You'd think we'd know better than to do that with any hurt minority group period...

But you'd especially think the Germans, of all people, would know better than to do that with the Jews, of all people...

Again, it'd be like Istanbul having an "Armenian in a Box" display or (to be fair) Santa Fe having an "Apache in a Box" display (apologies if I got the territory of the Apache wrong, I'm not the best with Native American geographical distribution and I just know the Apache were in the Southwest.)
Draugnar (0 DX)
29 Mar 13 UTC
@bo - Well stated. Couldn't have said it better myself.
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
29 Mar 13 UTC
"A free person agreed to sit in a box to help with an intercultural experiment that was sure to ruffle some feathers."

It's STILL reducing an entire people to the level of a circus attraction...

That the Jewish participant is doing so willingly doesn't change my appraisal of that; I don't think willfully participating in treating your culture like a sideshow curiosity is in any way mitigated by his willingness to do that...

...I hesitate to make the comparison to the few blacks who were all-too-willing to allow themselves to be Uncle Toms, and it's not at all a 1-to-1, I'll readily admit, but at the same time, there's a reason reducing blacks to a sideshow via minstrel shows (be it actual blacks or white actors in blackface) is now looked at with utter disgust by all civil members of society.

This isn't quite on that level, but it's still making a sideshow out of a people--and that's wholly objectionable in my book.

(Besides, again, I agree with the rabbi...if people have questions...why not go and seek out a synagogue? They can't be that hard to find in the age of the Internet and Google Maps...)
Draugnar (0 DX)
29 Mar 13 UTC
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I volunteer to be fat white conservative middle aged Christian man in a box!
philcore (317 D(S))
29 Mar 13 UTC
@obi: " I don't like the treatment of ANY group of people as a circus attraction"

Not even bearded ladies, strong men and wolf boys?

Octavious (2701 D)
29 Mar 13 UTC
Why would someone go to a Synagogue? The Jewish habit of answering questions is not well. Far easier to go to someone openly offering to talk about all things Jewish in a museum dedicated to it that a place of worship where you have no idea if you will be welcome.

A great error made by Jews of the past in many parts of Europe was to isolate themselves from the wider community. When people raised anti-Jewish ideas they had few friends to speak on their behalf. In too many countries the population was divided into those who were against them and those who knew nothing of them. The box may be unusual, but it can do little harm and perhaps a lot of good.
blankflag (0 DX)
29 Mar 13 UTC
if hes jewish and wants to sit in a box then let him. art is stupid. the fact that raising questions about historical events related to nazis and jews can land you in jail in germany causes a lot racism and weirdness so what do you expect. if they had free speech im sure most people there would dismiss it as stupid. but with it being illegal to talk about certain things, maybe some people get off on that stuff. i frankly dont care, the guy can do whatever he wants. smart people will see that no one person can speak for an entire group of people. whether that group is based on race or religion or some combination of the two.
krellin (80 DX)
29 Mar 13 UTC
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Uh....big fucking deal. There's an exhibit in the New York museum of modern art where some dumb bitch actress comes and sleeps in a glass box. Hardly interesting or entertaining....and the exhibit in New York is an intellectual *rip off* of some previous douche bag that did the same thing.

Who cares....
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
29 Mar 13 UTC
"Why would someone go to a Synagogue? The Jewish habit of answering questions is not well. Far easier to go to someone openly offering to talk about all things Jewish in a museum dedicated to it that a place of worship where you have no idea if you will be welcome."

1. If that's really the case, why not have a group of Jews there to act as "tour guides," if you will, instead of having one sit behind a glass case like a--I'll say it again--circus attraction? I mean, that's literally imposing another barrier (albeit a glass one) between the person asking the question and the one giving the answer. "That's the point of this ART exhibit!" shouts someone in the stands, to which I reply that you can't have it both ways...either this is a genuine attempt to answer questions about Jews, in which case depicting them as actual human beings free of a glass cage and, again, maybe acting as tour guides would seem better than their being put on display like the last of the dodos or something, or else it's strictly art with none of that rhetoric about answering generational questions...in which case, OK, fine, I guess the most I can say is I think that's a rather lazy bit of art, not much more I can say about a piece of art besides "I don't like it" and why...

2. I somehow don't get the feeling they'd be that unwelcome...? For as much vitriol as I have against the ideologies, higher-ups, practices and so on of religious groups, on the whole, the average religious person (outliers like the Westboro Baptist Church and hate groups aside, obviously) is, I think, reasonably open to questions about their faith and identity, so long as the questioneer is polite and phrases their questions politely.

Certainly most of the religious folks here are like that...I can't imagine Draugnar or Crazy Anglican finding some curious Jews or Muslims (or even Atheists) at the door of their church and saying "Get lost, you're not wanted here!"

So I don't necessarily buy that they would worry if they were welcome or not. I suppose the obvious response is "Yes, but it's Germany, that's the whole point, isn't it? It's more sensitive there?" to which I'd have to again think that there'd at least be SOME Jews there willing to talk in a setting besides a glass cage...I also fail to see how the glass cage makes things LESS sensitive (indeed, if this is supposed to be provocative art, it'd seem designed to make the situation even more uncomfortable and tense.)

"A great error made by Jews of the past in many parts of Europe was to isolate themselves from the wider community."

While there's some merit to that, I'm going to have to call a partial BS on that, as 1. It wasn't as if the Jews were always isolated by CHOICE, and so 2. By the time there might have been any semblance of choice...well, if you've been systematically persecuted on and off over the centuries by those other to yourself and you were forced into this ghetto (or wherever) and have remained isolated for a good long period of time...chances are you're not going to be all too keen on re-integrating into the larger society that's smacked you down again and again...you're at the least going to be rather hesitant about doing so, and rather understandably so.

"The box may be unusual, but it can do little harm and perhaps a lot of good."

I don't think it does too much good, as it sets up Jews as exactly what you just said you don't think they should be set up as--that is, something sideshow-esque or otherwise mysterious that not a lot of people know about--and instead of having Jewish tour guides a la The Holocaust Museum, it makes Jews into a carnival show...which I'd argue dehumanizes them more than it truly demystifies them.
bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
29 Mar 13 UTC
"raising questions about historical events related to nazis and jews can land you in jail in germany"

Not true at all... typical blankflag.

"causes a lot racism and weirdness so what do you expect"

Uhh... what?

"if they had free speech"

Dude, they have nudity on television, street ads that use the word "fuck," naked people on truck advertisements, and, oh by the way, a clause in their constitution that gives every German citizen the right to free speech within Germany aside from anything promoting Naziism...

"but with it being illegal to talk about certain things, maybe some people get off on that stuff"

/beginsarcasm You've obviously taken your time in studying Germany. /endsarcasm

"smart people will see that no one person can speak for an entire group of people."

You try to all the time?

Honestly blankflag, do you say things like this in essays?
krellin (80 DX)
29 Mar 13 UTC
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More to the point addressing this specific "art" "installation"...Uh, unless there is a jack-booted guard with an SS uniform guarding him with an MP-44 before they usher him off to the showers...then the Jew in the Box is doing it of his own free will.

Chances are, he's is actually only mocking a mostly defunct hamburger chain and/or silly child's toy....(i.e. jack in the box)

Question: Does he's spring out of the box when I turn a handle? And/or does he feed me hamburgers?
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
29 Mar 13 UTC
That he's doing it of his own free will doesn't negate the idea that he's treating his own culture as if it were an art sideshow, krellin...

In fact, in (arguably) putting some derivative (and lazy, I agree with you) artistic trend first in the glass box thing and actually demystifying Jews for genuinely-curious Germans second, I'd argue that backs up my case that this IS treating Jews as a sideshow attraction...with (sadly) the Jew complicit in treating his culture that way for the sake of "art."
krellin (80 DX)
29 Mar 13 UTC
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If I happened upon this "art", two things would occur (maybe more...)

1. I would roll my eye and snigger, possibly turn to my wife and we would mock those standing by, staring at this "art" in thoughtful poses trying to understand what it all means
2. I would try to fart...not loudly, preferably quietly...a "drive by fart" if you will an an attempt to disperse the crowd.

What I would *not* do:
1. I would not pay any attention to the fool in the box
2. I would not think for a moment that he is making any great statement about anything in an artful way
3. I would not consider there to be any relevance to the fact that he is Jewish, because the overbearing fact of his existence in that moment is not that he is a Jew, but that he is a moron in a glass box who has fooled himself and others in to thinking that a Jew who voluntarily puts himself in to a glass box has *any* meaning in the world

Good lord...of all the things going on in the world...of all the *true* outrages in this world at this point in history, this person in a box is insignificant.
bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
29 Mar 13 UTC
Try to fart? I'd just burp as loudly as I had in me.
krellin (80 DX)
29 Mar 13 UTC
Bo - while the burp might be a nice last resort, the beauty of the quiet, but deadly, silent drive-by fart is that is draws no attention to yourself.

After you have dropped yoru bomb, you can stand off to the side in thoughtful consideration, and on-lookers will think that you, too, are admiring the non-descript human in the box, when in fact you are now watching the victims of your nefarious deed...who will begin to look about them, faces cringing, noses twitching, perhaps even covered by a hand, before one by one, slowly, shamefully they slip away, unable to stay focused on protecting their feigned interest in the box-man in the face of such offense...
bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
29 Mar 13 UTC
I'm just an arrogant bastard I guess.
krellin (80 DX)
29 Mar 13 UTC
So bo, you prefer the belligerent route rather than clandestine, huh? Interesting...

One would think that *I* would be the one opting for belligerence, wouldn't you? And yet here I am, empty can of refried beans in hand planning my quiet get-away...heh heh....
bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
29 Mar 13 UTC
I'm a lot more of a fighter than you if I can read you well enough, krellin. You'd be surprised ;)
krellin (80 DX)
30 Mar 13 UTC
I wouldn't be surprised, bo. You have said you lift weights and I believe you are quite athletic. the weight lifting I (perhaps falsely) attribute to a more aggressive personality. I'm not surprised.

In real life, am I quite quiet, respectful (shocking huh?), kind, generous. Pretty much the antitheses of krellin. I'm athletic and very competitive, but not "aggressive".
bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
30 Mar 13 UTC
I lift weights because I've been big for as long as I can remember and I'd like to stay big instead of fat ;)

I can see you as quiet and kind, though I'm not sure a silent fart would be called respectful o_O
krellin (80 DX)
30 Mar 13 UTC
I went to the gym for a while and tried to bulk up some to overcome a shoulder injury - used to be a pretty stellar outfielder until I messed up my shoulder, so I tried to build the muscle up to minimize the pain...didn't really work, and i hate working out...so I play through the pain. I figures if I catches 'em, I don't have to throw so hard! lol

The silent fart may not be respectful, but I *also* think it's disrespectful to charge admission to a museum so that I can look at some dork sittin' in a damned box!
bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
30 Mar 13 UTC
The thing with playing the corners is that I have to throw in the most awkward ways, completely across my body. As a catcher, you can move your weight into those throws, but playing third and first, the double play has to be an immediate drop-step/release or a straight sidearm throw (same goes for rundowns). Obviously the outfielders use a crow hop, which can do just as much damage to your shoulder, but the infielders really have it rough when they get shoulder fatigue.

I had a doctor my freshman year that said I was a throw away from tearing my shoulder. I just ended up taking a few months off, rehabbing it after that, and then I stopped benching and picked up planks when I worked out, seems to have solved that.

I hate museums charging admission... I know they need upkeep and all, but museums ought to be open no matter what.
krellin (80 DX)
30 Mar 13 UTC
I actually tore my shoulder up screwing around in the neighborhood with a friend playing catch from as far away from each other as possible. Sucked, but it really didn't start causing any serious impact to my game until I hit my mid-30's. <sigh> But I can still hit the long-ball in softball (which is the game you will inevitably play when you get older) so I'm still worth my (increasing!) weight in gold! lol

If you enjoy baseball, you'll grow to love softball someday - it's very much a hitter's strategy game as much as anything - though a good pitcher can still make a difference.
krellin (80 DX)
30 Mar 13 UTC
The Detroit Institue of Art recently went free entry for the three surrounding counties - they charge a small fee on out property taxes, and now as long as you live in the counties, you get in free, which is pretty cool.
bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
30 Mar 13 UTC
Fast-pitch softball is more difficult than baseball as it is; I already know that. Slow pitch isn't ;)

There are some museums that are free but plenty aren't. In France, you're a student until you hit 26(ish?), unlike the USA... gives you a chance to learn while you're young and get extra discounts almost wherever you go, including free to all the national museums.
Draugnar (0 DX)
30 Mar 13 UTC
@obi - You are incorrect when you say you can't have it both ways. The art aspect and answering questions are *not* mutually exclusive. If you think they are, then you are sadly mistaken and even more naïve and stupid than I previously thought.
Draugnar (0 DX)
30 Mar 13 UTC
@bo - I would argue that regarding fast pitch softball and baseball, neither one is harder than the other. They are just different games requiring a similar skill set, like soccer and rugby and Australian rules football.
philcore (317 D(S))
30 Mar 13 UTC
There aren't any professional fast pitch softball teams, that's gotta say something about the relative difficulty. Baseball is harder.
Draugnar (0 DX)
30 Mar 13 UTC
No, that only speaks to the popularity.
krellin (80 DX)
30 Mar 13 UTC
http://profastpitch.com/home/

Professional fastpitch softball.

I believe it's a smaller diamond, therefore shorter distance for the pitch, so even if it isn't as fast as a men's pitch, it may get there in the same/similar amount of time. I'd argue that you can not argue that it's an easier game.
Draugnar (0 DX)
30 Mar 13 UTC
Another way to think of MLB versus fast pitch softball is to think about Violin virtuosos versus Viola or Concert Pianists versus Organists. Point in fact, the Organ is *more* difficult to play well as it has multiple keyboards including a foot keyboard plus organ stops. Typically the greatest organists play piano incredibly well, but pianists are the more popular and rake in more cash. Violin and Viola are of equivalent difficulty but the Violin is the more popular instrument so Itzhak Perlman and Jascha Heifetz and Joshua Bell command much greater fees per performance and are more recognized than Yuri Bashmet or Lawrence Power.
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
30 Mar 13 UTC
"You are incorrect when you say you can't have it both ways. The art aspect and answering questions are *not* mutually exclusive. If you think they are, then you are sadly mistaken and even more naïve and stupid than I previously thought."

I'll rephrase, then:

Either the EMPHASIS is on art and the shock value, or it's on genuinely trying to answer questions.

You can't deny that those 20-30 Jews volunteering for this (I'd REALLY like to meet one now and ask why in all hell they'd do this) could be more effective if they were, well, out of a box and answering questions rather than in a box and on display...

That's the thing:

From the ART standpoint, it's not so much a Jew asking questions as a Jew on display, like said Jew was an alien or the bearded lady or something, and the display aspect/shock value trumps the actual informative aspect.

If taken the other way, and the intent is REALLY to inform...then I maintain that it's just common sense that a Jew (any person, for that matter) out of a box and leading a tour, or even just out of a box and answering questions would be more informative and less for-effect than the "Jew in a Box" approach.

Put another way:

An abstract painting about war can certainly teach and inform about war...

But not in the same way and not to the same degree as well-informed tour guides at a WWII Museum, say.



Also...all I took away from the krellin/bosox exchange was that classic debate, burp vs. fart. Just saying.

:p
Draugnar (0 DX)
30 Mar 13 UTC
Ah but well informed tour guides don't draw people in and your first part of the statement is an assumption on your part. The shock value draws people in but then the Q&A informs them. So you can assert all you want, but you have provided no evidence that these individuals aren't extremely well informed and using this to draw in people and start a dialog. Put another way (and appropriate considering the weekend) Jesus could have just walked into the temple and sat down to teach, but nstead he knocked over the money changers tables and sanctified the temple *then* sat down to teach. Likewise, he could have just told his disciples to set themselves apart by serving others but chose to start by washing their feet and eventually being crucified to demonstrate his love for them and all mankind. It got their attention and turned Christianity into the religion it is. Whether you agree he was he son of God or not, he got their attention and made a point. That is what these individuals are doing. They get your attention and draw people in. Hell, the fact we are even discussing it is *proof* that this is effective. We wouldn't even be discussing it if it were just a Jewish museum with Jewish tourguides.
bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
30 Mar 13 UTC
Draug, I think we had this debate once before. We concluded that fast pitch softball, in comparison to baseball, was slightly faster with movements that a baseball player would have trouble envisioning in his worst nightmares ;)
Draugnar (0 DX)
30 Mar 13 UTC
But with a shorter range the ball can travel and a smaller field to cover, fielding is easier in fast pitch. As I said, neither is harder or easier than the other. They are different games that use some similar skills.


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Gen. Lee (7588 D(B))
27 Mar 13 UTC
EOG: Group A Lando Invite Gunboat Tournament
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krellin (80 DX)
30 Mar 13 UTC
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Actresses Without Teeth
http://actresseswithoutteeth.net/

'nuff said...
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MarshallShore (122 D)
29 Mar 13 UTC
Ally Diplomacy
Variant Idea. Eight countries. Pre-assigned pairs. The pair must win at least 15 SCs EACH to win. Regular diplomacy between pairs.
Weigh in?
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