So the elite agenda is in favour of vaccinations and a limit on the recent excesses of Hollywood? My God! What complete Nazis! Vaccinations today, death camps tomorrow... It's so obvious!

the point of the lesson is not to debate the elite agenda it is merely to show people how propaganda works and what the elite are pushing for and how controlled the media is. hopefully with this information you can be less manipulated by the media and the left/right paradigm. you can agree fully with what the elite are doing, but just understand what they are doing and make an informed decision.

I smell an agenda.

There was only one person on this forum (even tc wasn't this stupid), that I wouldn't have been surprised if he came out against vaccinations, that person is blankflag.

ah fasces, you give too much credit to some of the people here if you think that...lol

my postings in this thread were not to be pro/against vaccinations or anything else, it was just analyzing what the media does. if you know their agenda you can understand what they are doing. you can either agree or disagree with it, i dont care, i am just helping you understand how they operate.

if you really want me to discuss vaccinations, look at the most popular and well-known vaccinations, the flu vaccines. tamiflu did not do anything. here is the closest thing to an objective analysis from the corporate media http://www.forbes.com/sites/harlankrumholz/2013/01/08/the-myth-of-tamiflu-5-things-you-should-know/ but even it is understating the reality.

and if you want to compare health look at the communities who do not get vaccinated, like the amish or countries where there are no vaccinations versus ones with vaccination campaigns. places where there are vaccinations are really unhealthy. it is a very strong correlation, like the strong (positive) correlation between dairy consumption and osteoperosis. but that doesnt stop the media and dairy industry from telling you dairy is good for your bones.

that was an after school bonus lesson for the really keen. it will not affect your final mark and is merely for your own enjoyment and advancement.

Yes, let's discuss vaccinations. This is a topic particularly dear to my heart, since I have a father who was paralyzed for a year by polio and a mother-in-law whose polio was less severe but whose post-polio syndromes are nearing the point of becoming debilitating besides being very painful.

So yes, let's discuss vaccinations. First, let's point out that the Forbes article blankflag linked to was about tamiflu, which is an antiviral and not a vaccination.

Now, a homework assignment for blankflag:

1. In which three nations is polio still an endemic disease? Why are these nations still endemic?
2. When was the last case of smallpox, worldwide?
3. When was your last tetanus shot? If it has been more than ten years, would you be willing to step on a rusty nail? Why or why not?
4. Would you enjoy contracting hepatitis? Why or why not?
5. How many people do you know who have had measles? Mumps? Shingles? Did their disease appear enjoyable to you? Why or why not?

Please use complete sentences. You will not be graded on grammar or puncuation, but honesty and rational thought will be graded.

"like the strong (positive) correlation between dairy consumption and osteoperosis."

You mean negative correlation. That's OK, though, most tenth graders haven't taken any statistics yet.

blankflag do you think Jim Carrey is in on the conspiracy? Some people actually are against guns without being part of a conspiracy. Doesn't this make the "conspiracy theory" unnecessary. Seems like there is a much simpler explanation than the "elite" trying to control us.

Regarding media bias. No matter what side of politics you are on it always looks like the other side gets the better deal from the media. The left and right alike accuse the media of bias.

Unless BIG MILK is hiding something...

your an idiot white line i meant a strong positive correlation. but i assume you realized your error by the later post. carrey is probably not really in on anything. he is a useful idiot. a lot of people are like you. they hear propaganda all the time so have a drive to push it forward without knowingly being a part of anything.

yes look at polio. look at this vaccination gates does in the poor countries. the exact places that have the vaccinations get outbreaks of polio-like symptoms. that is too bad your family members suffered from polio. if you really think the vaccines help you in some way then take them. i dont need them nor do i want them. just dont force your crap on me. antiviral/vaccine. who cares. it is still crap pushed on the public that doesnt do anything. anyway the evidence still shows that flu vaccines dont do anything. i guess i just did the wrong web search and found teh wrong article. but i am sure there are similar articles on the actual vaccines.

in fact if carrey were in on it he would not have done the clip, because the clip actually went against the interests of the gun restriction crowd. i have been trying to teach you guys for a long time that just because someone is "for" something doesnt mean he helps push it forward. if he is arguing in a retarded way then it can have the opposite effect.

@blankmind: since when are vaccines elitist?

Flu vaccines don't elliminate the flu because there are millions of strains and they mutate every year. That's not an indictment against vaccines, its a testement to the bad-assedness of influenza! We should be thankful that all of the crippling and deadly viruses are lazy (anthropomorphically speaking). Because measles, smallpox, whooping cough and all those other ones I see on my kids vaccination sheet, have pretty much disappeared due to vaccines.

first of all i am quite sure flemgem is full of crap and his family did not suffer from "polio" but if they did here is something for you to read, if you ever do get a chance to read this thread again. https://explorevaccines.wordpress.com/tag/ddt/

you might want to ask if your family members werent actually poisoned with ddt or other chemicals. if i were in your situation and learned that my family members were paralyzed by the elites and to prevent you from getting any damages in court they blamed it on a disease (and convinced doctors of it) i would be angry. so consider than possibility. i guess back then they couldnt bribe politicians to make it illegal to sue them like what they are doing now.

Nope, FlemGem is not full of crap. Both my dad and mother-in-law had polio. Perhaps you didn't know this, blankflag, but there were major outbreaks of polio in the US in the forties and fifties. Here's a brief quote from the wikipedia article on Dr. Jonas Salk:

"The 1952 epidemic was the worst outbreak in the nation's history. Of nearly 58,000 cases reported that year, 3,145 people died and 21,269 were left with mild to disabling paralysis,[1] with most of its victims being children."

My dad was completely paralyzed for three months, and mostly paralyzed for almost a whole year. He was seven years old and missed most of second grade. He received Dr. Jonas Saulk's pioneering polio treatments and made a full recovery.

Anyway, it's a free country, so if you don't want to get your tetanus boosters or vaccinate your kids for polio that's fine. Just don't send your kids to northern Nigeria, that's all I'm saying. Unless you want to see your kid paralyzed, I bet that's all kinds of good fun.

Now, please answer my homework questions or I will not be able to consider you to be a good student.

And, as a pre-emptive strike: DDT was first synthesized in 1874. Polio is viral and has been around at least since Egyptian times. http://www.medicinenet.com/polio/article.htm

So unless the elite were time-travelling and spraying ddt along the Nile River, I think we can safely say that polio isn't a disease invented by the elite to paralyze little children.

But wait....maybe the elite WERE time travelling to Egypt! And using advanced technology to build the pyramids!

did you follow this link? https://explorevaccines.wordpress.com/tag/ddt/
look at the graph of cases of polio in america.
that is the evidence you presented. cases in america.
or go ahead and look into the cases in south asia,
where i told you that the municipalities that get vaccines
later get outbreaks of polio-like symptoms.
when the basis of your theory is taken out
(that the polio vaccine ended polio in america)
then you need to reevaluate your theory

in fact here is another link, this site is good too!
why dont you tell me how vaccines completely irradicated typhoid and scarlet fever!
oh... wait there were no vaccines for those.
but of course if some medical professionals claimed to have one as the rates were falling low enough to erradicate, then you would be telling me how effective those vaccines were. its like global warming again. they introduce vaccines as a disease is already in decline. the "effectiveness" is proven because there are less cases (although that would have been the case with or without the vaccine) and then you buy it.

http://barbfeick.com/vaccinations/untruths/two_centuries.htm

"Regarding media bias. No matter what side of politics you are on it always looks like the other side gets the better deal from the media. The left and right alike accuse the media of bias."
To be fair there is a media bias, MSNBC will always side with the democrats, Fox will always side with the conservatives and CNN will always try to take both sides.

yes "side". if by "side" you mean push forward the propaganda in a way to appeal to one audience or another. if being pro gay marriage helps msnbc be convincing to the "left" in order to convince them that bailouts were good, then so be it. and if being anti gay marriage makes fox more convincing to their audience that the bailouts were good then they will go with it. not to mention these issues divide the public, which is important to their strategy.

all the apparent differences are on issues that are of little significance to the elites.

but this video was particularly disturbing because they were actually promoting vaccines hard, and basically advocating censorship over hollywood on top of not really being against gun restriction at all. so these issues are so important to the elite that even fox isnt allowed to go with the "right" on these issues. i think the elite are going balls to the wall now. they dont even care if they violate the left/right paradigm, they just need to get their issues passed. they are banking on taking control of society completely before people lose complete faith in the political divide. but it is a tight race.

What's the point of all this, blankie? What are you trying to achieve here?