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Fasces349 (0 DX)
25 Jan 13 UTC
Video Games cause violence
So I'm a fan of Penn and Teller, here is an episode of their show Bullshit on the topic of video game violence.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MaF9nbLo8as
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Thomas Olai (599 D)
24 Jan 13 UTC
same ip adress
We're a bunch of students who have just discovered the internet version of diplomacy. Most of live in student accomodations, that means we are several players with the same ip-adress. Is this a problem?
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Gunfighter06 (224 D)
24 Jan 13 UTC
Women in Combat
"I mean come on, Ed! It's bullcrap! Now, don't get me wrong, I love the ladies, alright? They rev my engine. But they DON'T belong in the newsroom!" -- Anchorman (2004)
Do women belong in a combat zone? Why or why not?
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Dharmaton (2398 D)
20 Jan 13 UTC
Who wants my games? I'm leaving.
Ask a mod for 'em !!! I turn my back to this for good..., thx, I had a lot of fun. But it's over, see other thread why...
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josunice (3702 D(S))
24 Jan 13 UTC
Join 5 No Press WTA @75...
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ulytau (541 D)
24 Jan 13 UTC
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Everyone, stop wasting our lives
And start working on Waropoly instead. The eyes of the world are upon us.
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semck83 (229 D(B))
24 Jan 13 UTC
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Attention mods: I'd like to report some cheating
Moderators,

semck is making a cheating accusation in the forum. Please do something about it. Thank you.
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zultar (4180 DMod(P))
22 Jan 13 UTC
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Tactical training/puzzles: Keep your skills/wit sharp
Details inside.
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SYnapse (0 DX)
23 Jan 13 UTC
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WW2 Variant
Is there a demand for a WW2 variant? I was thinking of making one based off the Hearts of Iron map, with a lot more supply centers per country allowing for lines of battle, and more complex sea boundaries.

The powers would be Germany, United Kingdom, France, Italy, Poland, USSR. The map would be slightly larger than the current European map, stretching East to Stalingrad and Israel, and further south including Egypt and Spanish Sahara, allowing for a North African theatre of war.
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redhouse1938 (429 D)
24 Jan 13 UTC
Image conversion problem
Hey guys, do any of you know of good free software for Apple or a conversion website where I can adjust my images (I want them smaller, but with the same number of pixels if possible (at least I want no loss of resolution). I DEMAND JUSTICE
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NigeeBaby (100 D(G))
24 Jan 13 UTC
Saudi Arabia - a brutal regime supported by the West - why?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-21167277
What price human rights when Saudi Arabia are involved, the silence from the West is deafening? We believe in democracy when it suits our pockets and not our consciences.......
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dubmdell (556 D)
24 Jan 13 UTC
Why has India gone into CD?
uclabb has been online, but his nation is in CD? I thought you had to miss orders for two phases to enter CD? He input spring orders and did not have to enter retreats. He hasn't missed a phase that would count towards a CD. Any explanations? Is this a bug? gameID=103915
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Atila (100 D)
23 Jan 13 UTC
1 more person on Classic Map
we need one more person on the game "Chelsea Rent Boys" someone join please!!!!! it has a 5 min time span inbetween rounds!!!! only 6 min to join!!!!
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guy~~ (3779 D(B))
22 Jan 13 UTC
Diplomacy party rock in the house tonight
We gonna make you lose your mind.
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Stressedlines (1559 D)
23 Jan 13 UTC
MSNBC reporting no Bushmaster was used
In sandy hook?
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Bourne (0 DX)
23 Jan 13 UTC
Ancient Med Game 1 Day Phase
Go here to join if interested: http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=109048
Thanks.
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apartment1512-07 (0 DX)
23 Jan 13 UTC
[Mod Request] Undoing a turn
Could I ask a moderator to undo a turn in game http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=108947 ? I'm using the site for its mapmaking software. We'd really prefer not to have to restart the game.
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ottobot (213 D)
23 Jan 13 UTC
pause feature doesnt work?
i coulnt find this in the FAQ so ill post it here. in my private live games with some freinds, the pause feature, while pausing the game, can not be undone. we already had to abandon one game because of this, any idea as to what causes it?
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Thucydides (864 D(B))
22 Jan 13 UTC
Mali High Islamic Council denounces Muslim countries who oppose the intervention
http://www.maliweb.net/news/la-situation-politique-et-securitaire-au-nord/2013/01/22/article,121191.html

(Use Google translate if you don't read French)
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goldfinger0303 (3157 DMod)
22 Jan 13 UTC
What Motivates you to Stab?
Its been a while since we've had a game-based discussion, and I've been thinking about this topic for the past week.
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redhouse1938 (429 D)
22 Jan 13 UTC
Get out of there if this is where you are!
http://www.nrc.nl/nieuws/2013/01/22/drie-gewonden-bij-schietpartij-op-universiteit-in-texas/
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Al Swearengen (0 DX)
21 Jan 13 UTC
Introducing Al Swearengen's bare-knuckle boxing match! Live!
as per below
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SpeakerToAliens (147 D(S))
21 Jan 13 UTC
What worries us?
As below:-
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American Drones: A Ticking Bomb (Looking for some constructive criticism)
I'd appreciate if you guys could let me know what you think about this paper of mine, which I'd like to see published. I know no better editing team than yourselves.


Your Humble Narrator (1922 D)
22 Jan 13 UTC
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Here she is:


American Drones: A Ticking Bomb

Current American drone policy fosters a culture of aggression, in which we are desensitized to the suffering wreaked upon others by the actions of our armed forces, and lulled into contented ignorance of the consequences of our military’s actions both abroad and at home.
In 1945, the United States dropped the atomic bomb on Japan, killing untold hundreds of thousands of civilians, and ending World War II. The United States was the first and only nuclear-armed country, and had acted independently of any international law or with the possibility of emulation in mind. By 1949, the Soviet Union had developed and tested an atomic bomb of its own. Had the Soviet Union employed its atomic weaponry with the relative abandon which had guided the United States in its earliest stages of nuclear armament, it is likely that civilization as we know it today would not exist.
A disturbingly similar sequence of events appears to be unfolding with respect to contemporary American drone policy, with the United States currently the only country fielding a significant number (more than 10,000) of attack and surveillance drones, and essentially, according to opponents, making up the rules as it goes along. The question arises: do there exist sufficient global political limitations on the use of drone technology, or should further international legal limitations be drafted (with the support of the United States) before the technology becomes widely available on a global scale?
In the absence of any real challenge to the drone status quo by representatives in government, it is up to American voters to answer this question themselves. Asked during an October 2012 foreign policy debate of his position concerning the use of drones, Mitt Romney, then-Republican presidential candidate and challenger to incumbent Barack Obama, stated, “I support [drone strikes] entirely and think that the president was right to use that technology.” Left to his own devices, neither man would, as president, alter America’s current course, which, in its focus on tactical supremacy, leaves human rights at the wayside.
Current American drone policy is both unethical and frequently counterproductive. In his brief article, “For Our Allies, Death From Above,” Clive Stafford Smith examines on a personal level the effect of unbridled drone technology on civilians living along the Afghan-Pakistani border. Smith details having encountered at a meeting between village elders and American officials a 16 year-old boy named Tariq Aziz, whom he describes as having been “too young to boast much facial hair, and too young to have learned to hate” (Smith 1). The meeting, Smith notes, “had been organized so that Pashtun tribal elders who lived along the Pakistani-Afghan frontier could meet with Westerners for the first time to offer their perspectives on the shadowy drone war being waged by the Central Intelligence Agency in their region.” Delivering a deeply moving appeal to emotion, Smith explains that:
At the end of the day, Tariq stepped forward. He volunteered to gather proof if it would help to protect his family from future harm. We told him to think about it some more before moving forward; if he carried a camera he might attract the hostility of the extremists. But the militants never had the chance to harm him. On Monday, he was killed by a C.I.A. drone strike, along with his 12-year-old cousin, Waheed Khan. The two of them had been dispatched, with Tariq driving, to pick up their aunt and bring her home to the village of Norak, when their short lives were ended by a Hellfire missile.
Smith’s use of simple, blunt, direct and undiluted language drives home the idea that, when one steps away from viewing the issue in terms of “abstract legal theory,” it becomes, “very real and personal.” Of course, he does not neglect to identify the purely practical negative repercussions which stem from deaths such as Tariq’s: “Tariq’s extended family,” Smith reminds us, “ so recently hoping to be our allies for peace, has now been ripped apart by an American missile —most likely making any effort we make at reconciliation futile.” Smith’s glimpse into the lives of the true victims of drone technology, despite (or perhaps because of) its lack of statistical or sourced data, is useful in affording outsiders a degree of empathy and understanding, all the while reinforcing the idea that current American drone policy allows for the exacerbation and escalation of conflict in addition to the violation of human rights.
If the roles were reversed—if an American civilian were collateral damage resulting from a drone attack conducted by any other nation on earth—would a lone reporter be that civilian’s only voice? Further, is American drone policy not in some way culpable for the present attitude?
In his “Robots at War: The New Battlefield,” P.W. Singer examines and addresses some of the issues surrounding the rapid acceleration of drone use by the United States armed forces, noting that, “When U.S. forces went to Iraq in 2003, they had zero robotic units,” but by “the end of 2008, it was projected to reach as high as 12,000” (Singer 31). This technology will, with its proliferation, remove many of the moral and political obstacles of initiating warfare, and therefore result in a greater number of wars. “When a citizenry has no sense of sacrifice or even the prospect of sacrifice,” says Singer, “the decision to go to war becomes just like any other policy decision, weighed by the same calculus used to determine whether to raise bridge tolls.” While his suggestion that the removal of human loss on the side of the aggressors in a conflict will result in a greater willingness to go to war in a manner comparable to the raising of bridge tolls is perhaps too extreme a claim supported by too weak an analogy, his reasoning and evidence do logically explain how drone technology seems to facilitate the political processes associated with war making. Singer’s claim is arguably better supported, though, by Greg Holyk in his “Drones, Gitmo, and Drawdown give Obama Foreign Policy Cred” in which he states that, “Eighty-three percent of Americans in the latest ABC News/Washington Post poll approve of Obama’s use of unmanned drones against terrorist suspects” (Holyk 1). Holyk presents a clearly reliable statistical example of drone technology allowing a government to initiate armed assault without engaging in significant political risk, thus demonstrating in full the degree to which drones exacerbate the already-evident disconnect between Western populations and the people whose homes their militaries are occupying under the pretext of defense.
That is not to say that there are not any negative political repercussions associated with the use of drones. Joshua Foust, presenting a perspective not considered by Singer or Holyk, maintains in his “The Political Consequences of a Drone-First Policy” that, “The global counterterrorism [drone] mission imposes substantial political costs to the U.S.” and that we, “should start thinking more about politics, and less about killing bad guys” (Foust). Foust notes that, “Among domestic populations, drones are almost always unpopular, as they represent a distant and unaccountable foreign power exercising the right to kill them at will. The resistance to drones is debated heavily in Pakistani circles, but it's difficult to ignore the effects, like a walkout in Parliament…it should concern U.S. policymakers deeply that the drone program is further destabilizing an already tenuous situation.” Foust’s consideration of the political repercussions of drone policy from without the United States lends his analysis of the political influences governing any decision to use drones greater validity than that of Holyk and Singer, who focus exclusively on domestic acceptance. Foreign acceptance cannot and should not be discounted, since, ultimately, domestic approval can be influenced by foreign approval (or lack thereof). Widespread abhorrence of a country’s government abroad can result in problems (economic sanctions, limitations on emigration, and so forth) which will be felt domestically, and result in a net loss of domestic approval (for a simple example, consider Greek riots in the wake of austerity measures imposed by the European Union, or the political protests in Iran coming in at the heels of a new wave of boycotts and other sanctions from the West). Foreign disapproval can, in other words, translate to domestic disapproval. Because there are political downsides to drone policy within the countries that the drones are employed, the fielding of drones cannot be conducted independent of any domestic political concerns, either.
In terms of international law, the findings of Robert P. Barnridge Jr. in his “Qualified Defense of American Drone Attacks in Northwest Pakistan Under International Humanitarian Law” suggest that, “it is much harder to say what the law exactly is, and how it should be applied in this context.” Barnridge states that, “interrelated concerns as regards transparency may or may not be understandable as a matter of morality, ethics, or policy preference, but they are not required from an international humanitarian law perspective” (Barnridge 443). Thus, Barnridge effectively defends the legality of American drone policy in Pakistan, which has been criticized for the shroud of secrecy surrounding it (the operations are conducted by the CIA, and technically have never been officially admitted to exist) while acknowledging that while the U.S. is acting in accordance with the law, the law may not be written in accordance with moral and ethical concerns. While the United States and its allies benefit from the freedom afforded them by existing shortcomings in international law, they will suffer from this inadequacy of applicability as drone technology proliferates on a global scale, and comes into use by non-allies. It would be in the interests of the United States and its allies to push for modification of existing international law governing drone technology while it would still be clearly beneficial to non-allies (e.g. Iran and North Korea), as it will be much more difficult to establish and enforce more reliable laws once such enemy states have acquired drone technology for themselves and would suffer equally in the event of limitation of freedoms surrounding drones.
Neither existing international law nor political obstacles sufficiently inhibit the United States’ use of drone technology. Yes, as Foust validly asserts, there are political deterrents abroad; however, these deterrents are demonstrably (through Barnridge as well as Smith) not sufficiently repellent politically as to limit American freedom in fielding drones to a level with which the United States and its allies would be comfortable a non-ally possessing. It is ethically unacceptable that the present political climate allows for young, innocent men such as Tariq Aziz to die needlessly by the weapons of their alleged allies, Americans. Furthermore, as the United States is not violating any international laws through its drone policy, it is clear that these laws should (in the interest of the United States and its allies) be strengthened to a point where the United States would be forced to cease to conduct its drone operations with such abandon, but where non-allies would also be incapable of legally emulating US drone policy as it exists today. As Singer notes, “technologies such as unmanned systems can be seductive, feeding overconfidence that can lead nations into war.” That is, the unsubstantiated conviction that a war begun with drones will never require the introduction of ground troops, and therefore will result in no loss of life for the invaders, lures leaders into a false sense of security. It would be in the interest of the United States, its allies, people like Tariq, and the global community at large if the ability of governments to legally act on this “overconfidence” were limited.
As the October 2012 foreign policy debate demonstrated, both leading party candidates for the presidency of the United States considered America’s current use of drones a non-issue. The election did not, and could not, change anything. It is the responsibility of the public at large now to now bring the troublesome reality to light, demand reform, and avert a future in which nations the world over, including American enemies, may exercise the same lack of restraint in conducting drone assaults as the American government enjoys today. A climate of political viability for wholesale murder must not be tolerated.


Works Cited:
Singer, P.W. “Robots at War: The New Battlefield”. Wilson Quarterly (Winter, 2009): 30-48
Holyk, Greg. "Drones, Gitmo and Drawdown Give Obama Foreign Policy Cred." ABC News. ABC News Network, 28 Feb. 2012. Web. 21 Jan. 2013. give-obama-foreign-policy-cred/>.
Foust, Joshua. "The Political Consequences of a Drones-First Policy." The Atlantic. 27 Jan. 2012. Web. 21 Jan. 2013.
Barnidge, Robert. "A Qualified Defence of American Drone Attacks in Northwest Pakistan Under International Humanitarian Law in Light of the Alston Report" Paper presented at the annual meeting of the International Studies Association Annual Conference "Global Governance: Political Authority in Transition", Le Centre Sheraton Montreal Hotel, MONTREAL, QUEBEC, CANADA, 16 March 2011
Smith, Clive Stafford. “For Our Allies, Death From Above”. The New York Times 3 November 2011. Print
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Fasces349 (0 DX)
22 Jan 13 UTC
tl;dr but I can say, I fucking hate drones and how morally wrong they are, so support you 110% (I think)
Al Swearengen (0 DX)
22 Jan 13 UTC
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This was probably the nicest thing that I read today. It spurred me to think more about the use of military robotics, which I now realize to be an important issue.

Were you to wish to write more persuasively, I'd advise to deliver your opening in a deadpan. Did you see the opening of the film Prometheus? A facade of calm can do much prime the nerves of one's audience for something horrible. Remember, that you are writing about murder. Robotic murder from the skies. With a tactical rewrite of your opening, you could instill in your audience a sense of dread at the mere thought of drone attacks.
Thucydides (864 D(B))
22 Jan 13 UTC
it suxxxxxxxxx

jk jk jk jk

i'll read it later!!
Timur (684 D(B))
22 Jan 13 UTC
Admire your work. Proofread and little to consider except that the second-last paragraph is too long and thus obscures your message. I'd suggest breaking it down into manageable chunks with an obvious point. Also, final concluding paragraph needed to sum up your argument.
Timur (684 D(B))
22 Jan 13 UTC
. . . and Al Swearengen's advice is right on the ball for impact.
SYnapse (0 DX)
22 Jan 13 UTC
Recommend you submit it to Al Jazeera, who are covering this a lot at the moment.
Timur (684 D(B))
22 Jan 13 UTC
Yeah, maybe. Start off calm, cool and collected... build up ... and then BOOM at the end.
That's how I'd do it, but I don't know nuthin at all.
Timur (684 D(B))
22 Jan 13 UTC
How you tackle this extremely important issue depends upon whether this is simply an essay for your professor, a presentation to whoever or a publication which is going to open the eyes of the world.;
Timur (684 D(B))
22 Jan 13 UTC
. . . as it's opened mine. Thanks.
Thomas Olai (599 D)
22 Jan 13 UTC
Excellent article. I do not agree with you, but debate is core to democratic value. Drones are just weapons, controlled by humans. I believe in the critcal approach to any use of force, but the actual weapon deployed are no more than the weapon deployed. In any military operation the commanders job should be to achieve his objectives with minimal cost to his own men. How that shall be achieved are questions worth several books.


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SYnapse (0 DX)
22 Jan 13 UTC
Diplomacy
Why can't we just live in peace?
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Lando Calrissian (100 D(S))
22 Jan 13 UTC
The Sheriff is Back in Town
TYCO
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NigeeBaby (100 D(G))
20 Jan 13 UTC
The Illuminati
http://armageddonconspiracy.co.uk/The-illuminati%28903482%29.htm
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taos (281 D)
22 Jan 13 UTC
gameID=108609
who is in?
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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
22 Jan 13 UTC
Still Think Russia and Your Namesake Is So Progressive, Putin?
http://washingtonexaminer.com/russia-moves-to-enact-anti-gay-law-nationwide/article/feed/2065364

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TheMinisterOfWar (553 D)
21 Jan 13 UTC
Where can I see which players and threads I've muted?
It should be somewhere right, otherwise you would never be able to unmute.
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