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dubmdell (556 D)
08 Nov 12 UTC
Congressional Research Service Report: Wealth Doesn't Trickle Down!
You can download the CRS report from this Huffington Post article. Damn I wish TC were here. I have never missed him so badly. Also krellin, who hasn't been spouting racial slurs ever since I rewrote "Hey Mickey" for him. But hey, the rest of you Reaganomics types, feel free to criticize the report and turn a blind eye to its findings! (link inside)
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Zmaj (215 D(B))
10 Nov 12 UTC
EoG: Partys Fun Palace-27
An exciting game.
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twinsnation (503 D(B))
10 Nov 12 UTC
anc med
can i get pass word to 5 min anc med game please
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Zmaj (215 D(B))
10 Nov 12 UTC
EoG: Partys Fun Palace-28
Phew.
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taos (281 D)
03 Nov 12 UTC
7 games 7 players
who is in?
only serious players please(no cd`s)
cd`s will be punished
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diplonerd (173 D)
10 Nov 12 UTC
Unread global message in no-message game
i lol'd http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=103398#chatbox
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Yonni (136 D(S))
23 Oct 12 UTC
WebDip Triathlon Round 3
threadID=916459 got lost...
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Gen. Lee (7588 D(B))
09 Nov 12 UTC
EOG: No-Press
gameID=103848

One of the most undeserved draws I've been a part of. Artic, you could have won on the next move...Thanks?
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Deckler (100 D)
09 Nov 12 UTC
Quitting
Is there an in-game option to leave a game, or does one have to wait for you to time out?
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SantaClausowitz (360 D)
07 Nov 12 UTC
Voter Fraud
Its all over but the voter fraud.
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President Eden (2750 D)
08 Nov 12 UTC
Step 1 for GOP image reform: drug legalization
N.B.: This is not intended to be a discussion on the merits or demerits of drug legalization. I'm approaching the issue strictly from an electoral standpoint, that is, would this change be a good or bad move for the GOP politically.
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Maniac (189 D(B))
09 Nov 12 UTC
Name and shame v right to privacy
UK based discussion on alleged sex scandals.
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Fasces349 (0 DX)
09 Nov 12 UTC
Where did TC go
As one of the few people who never actually muted TC, it just occured to me that I haven't seen him in a while, thoughts as to where he went?
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y2kjbk (4846 D(G))
09 Nov 12 UTC
Need new India for high stakes game
gameID=102724

Pretty decent spot if you're up for the challenge and the bet with a build. Join up!
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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
07 Nov 12 UTC
International Reaction to the US Presidential Election?
CNN's reports characterized the UK response in one word--"WHEW!"
Accurate?
What do our WebDip friends Across the Pond think?
(Do you even CARE, actually, is this as big a deal internationally as some believe it to be, or is that all false American-fueled sentiment?)
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KhediveRex (100 D)
09 Nov 12 UTC
New Austria needed. And he's doing well!
http://www.webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=101695#gamePanel
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butterhead (90 D)
07 Nov 12 UTC
Gunboats VS. Full Press:
So I learned from my recent string of gunboats over on vdip that I seem to be better at gunboats than full press games...
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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
07 Nov 12 UTC
Can We Pull Off a Full Sweep Tonight And...
http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2012/11/07/michele_bachmann_is_cutting_it_close_tight_race_against_jim_graves_in_minnesota.html
Vote the a top Tea Partier, Bachmann, OUT???
Obama re-elected...we've elected our first openly gay senator...Maine and Maryland vote to allow gay marriage...Scott Brown has been voted out in Mass...1, 2, 3, 4, come on, one more, Bachmnann OUT...! :D
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Jamiet99uk (873 D)
08 Nov 12 UTC
Is it EVER acceptable to CD?
If you're in a game which has been disrupted by mutlis not once, but twice, and you've voted "cancel" but not all other players have done the same, because some of them stand to benefit from the disruption caused by the multi(s)...
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President Eden (2750 D)
07 Nov 12 UTC
I dunno where the thread is, but
Earlier today I said Nate Silver was overrated and made bad projections. I was flat-out wrong. Just want to eat a little crow and give props to one of the best prognosticators of our time. I'm a believer
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aguas (100 D)
07 Nov 12 UTC
Landbridge?
Do the arrows on the ancient mediterranean map between gibiraltar and morocco or sicilia and nepaoli indicate landbridges? can armies move across these areas without a convoy?
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demmahom (100 D)
08 Nov 12 UTC
World War-17
I'm sorry, but this thread is mostly for the mods or admins or gamemasters. We have a game, http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=100329&viewArchive=Maps, and it has been paused for 44 days, 3 hours (24 Sep 2012). The players, the ones who actually still care about this game and haven't given up on it, agree that this is an incredibly long pause and so I want to ask if this could be unpaused or if there is a time limit to how long a game can be paused. Thanx
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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
08 Nov 12 UTC
Attention All Other Children of the 90s...Boy Meets World Spin-off Show Coming (What?)
If you grew up in the 90s like me, chances are you've at least heard of "Boy Meets World," (hey, Mr. Feeny introduced me to "Hamlet"--"Hamlet gets on a lot of people's nerves, makes one stupid mistake after another, and for five acts, he NEVER shuts up!") and now "BMW" is getting a sequel show...a full decade later...and Cory's...a teacher...??? http://tv.yahoo.com/news/-boy-meets-world--sequel-scoop--cory-turns-into-mr--feeny-.html
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2ndWhiteLine (2611 D(B))
07 Nov 12 UTC
DEAR PRESIDENT EDEN
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dubmdell (556 D)
07 Nov 12 UTC
A final article on the election cycle
How the conservative media failed the rank-and-file conservatives. This seems pretty dead on.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/11/how-conservative-media-lost-to-the-msm-and-failed-the-rank-and-file/264855/
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SantaClausowitz (360 D)
07 Nov 12 UTC
Christie vs. ????
Barrack Obama is President. Romney is a footnote in history. Start the 4 year Chris Christie campaign!
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HITLER69 (0 DX)
07 Nov 12 UTC
Say I
If you like pie!
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Zmaj (215 D(B))
07 Nov 12 UTC
EoG: Sicker boys
...if only because we played for an hour and a half.
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Yellowjacket (835 D(B))
07 Nov 12 UTC
Where do we go from here?
Will this defeat in what should have been an opportunistic moment finally force Republicans to get back to what they should be doing? True fiscal conservatism, staying away from crazy and ridiculous social policies, and stop pandering to the bible thumpers? What comes next for the GOP?
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redhouse1938 (429 D)
07 Nov 12 UTC
Question from a European about the US elections
Why wasn't one of the following people candidate VP in Romney's team: Marco Rubio, Kay Hutchinson, Nikki Haley, Bobby Jindal. Why did he pick the mirror image of himself?
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
07 Nov 12 UTC
Well, that's a good question, and I actually thought he might go Rubio when he got the nomination, I've said here for months, that Latino vote, record breaking this time around in terms of both just how many Latinos voted and what percentage of the electorate they made up, REALLY bolstered Obama's cause and clinched some key states for him.

Rubio is a divisive figure in the Latino community, at least among Latinos I know here in CA, some like him, some don't...he's Cuban-American, and that's different from Mexican-American or Salvadorean-American and so on, and the Florida Latino electorate is different than the electorate of Latinos here on the West Coast near Los Angeles, but STILL...would've helped his diversity, among minorities, Romney was slaughtered.

As close as Florida is, if he'd gone Rubio, he almost certainly would have taken that state; granted, as Obama won by 100 Electoral Votes, 29 wouldn't have given him a win, but it just shows the difference Rubio might have made.

I THINK The reason they chose Ryan was to appeal to the far-right of the party' there were questions initially if Romney was conservative enough and, a big issue among many Republican voters in the far-right, his religion; his Mormonism was initially off-putting, so perhaps a Mormon and a Latino might have been too off-putting and progressive to a rather seedy side of the Republican electorate (ESPECIALLY Tea Party voters) and thus we got Ryan.

Also, the picked him to try and challenge Wisconsin and expand the electoral map and give a greater chance at victory in that state which they still lost...

His youth, to try and appeal to younger voters and a younger generation....

His Randian politics...



It was a failed choice, but I think that was the thinking behind the choice.
redhouse1938 (429 D)
07 Nov 12 UTC
All this "appealing to the far-right" thing gives you big wins in states like Texas and Alaska where you can win with a smaller margin right? I don't get it.
Honestly I thought it was going to kill Romney, I don't think it had much of an effect besides tying the whole rape scrap to the Republican administration.

I think Romney was always much too worried about the right of his party thought of him and didn't pay enough attention to moderates until too late. the picking of Ryan was a symptom of what caused his demise rather than the cause of it.
redhouse1938 (429 D)
07 Nov 12 UTC
Isn't it a golden rule of US politics that the VP is really not important at all? Isn't that what all VPs said? And that you can just shamelessly pick someone who's different than you (I guess Obama gets 10/10 for his choice) and even thinks a little differently to appeal to the spectrum of people you like to address rather than a particular voter profile?
And Romney picked who he thought he needed to. The guy was white, but he was a real conservative. This contrasts to romney who was wishy washy. He wanted to appeal to the conservative wing of the party. I'm sure the prospect that Ryan could possibly deliver Wisconsin (he couldn't) helped some.
redhouse1938 (429 D)
07 Nov 12 UTC
Do you think the Romneys spent too much of their lives with other Romney-like friends and families to be able to take this on?
Bitemenow10 (100 D)
07 Nov 12 UTC
republicans are notoriously bad at picking vp's that are useful/charismatic/and wont fuck their campaign up
Octavious (2701 D)
07 Nov 12 UTC
It was an unusual choice for VP, wasn't it? A cynical man might be forgiven for thinking that the Republicans didn't really want to win and were quite happy to let Obama hold the reigns of government during the inevitable round of cuts and tax rises, whilst using congress to make sure nothing too liberal can get through.
redhouse1938 (429 D)
07 Nov 12 UTC
Octavious: short term, that may not even be a bad idea, but in the long term, that's a terrible strategy. Franklin D. Roosevelt was a democrat also, and he managed the US during the great crisis of the 1930s and the greatest war in the history of mankind that immediately followed it. Woodrow Wilson was also a democrat, who managed the first world war. You want your party's people on that list for long term credibility.
redhouse1938 (429 D)
07 Nov 12 UTC
@Bimenow, perhaps with the notable exception of Bush Sr.?
Bitemenow10 (100 D)
07 Nov 12 UTC
there are exceptions to the rule, its just fairly common since mckinley
Octavious (2701 D)
07 Nov 12 UTC
Long term I doubt it makes much difference to who wins elections. Even if they pull off a miracle the Democrats will just get over excited, lurch to the left, and we'll have another close race again next time. It will take a hell of a lot of lurching to the left before the Democrats start to resemble a European left wing party.
redhouse1938 (429 D)
07 Nov 12 UTC
Today I heard that 90% supporters of our (Dutch) mainstream right-wing party, the VVD, would vote Obama :-O
Willtor (113 D)
07 Nov 12 UTC
Presenting a more conservative image probably was calculated for the swing states, too: Romney (and his team) were counting on turning out the conservative vote. Quite apart from whether you attract the swing voters, you have to turn out your base. If they stay home, you can't possibly win.

Clearly, it didn't work out as they'd hoped, but I think that was the idea.
redhouse1938 (429 D)
07 Nov 12 UTC
Conservative people, like myself, always vote. Either they vote, or they fap to the prospect of going to vote, or to having just voted. It's a terrible strategy to appeal to me. Basically anyone who says "no drugs, free markets" and goes off the stage immediately can count on my vote in the absence of other credible right-wing candidates. Let's hope for the Yankees the Republicans learnt their lesson and become a diversified party.
Gunfighter06 (224 D)
07 Nov 12 UTC
I don't understand why Romney needed to appeal to the conservative side of the party. It's not like Texas is going to flip and vote for Obama. The conservatives are always going to vote for the most conservative of the two candidates, and even with Jindal or Rubio, Romney in all of his wishy-washiness would still be more conservative than Obama on a good day.
Gunfighter06 (224 D)
07 Nov 12 UTC
Allen West 2016
redhouse1938 (429 D)
07 Nov 12 UTC
^What Gunfighter said.

(...)

HOW DID ROMNEY NOT GET THAT!?!?!?
dipplayer2004 (1310 D)
07 Nov 12 UTC
He picked a bright, accomplished young protege. Someone who would likely have been a good President after him, or in four years if he lost. It's that simple.
redhouse1938 (429 D)
07 Nov 12 UTC
^Worst possible reason to make someone VP Candidate.
Willtor (113 D)
07 Nov 12 UTC
@redhouse1938:

I think Romney calculated that many conservatives were not like you. Maybe he was wrong? Maybe he wasn't? But I'll bet that was the estimate he and his team made.
Gunfighter06 (224 D)
07 Nov 12 UTC
That's true. I do predict a Ryan run in 2016.

Redhouse, are you an Allen West supporter? He's a relatively obscure politician for a Dutch citizen like yourself

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allen_West_(politician)
Gunfighter06 (224 D)
07 Nov 12 UTC
Oh my bad, redhouse. The link is for the English page
redhouse1938 (429 D)
07 Nov 12 UTC
@Wiltor
For someone (Romney) who spent his entire career in strategy, I believe that's a first order strategic mistake and it means you don't understand the conservative mind. Conservatives will turn out for people like him. It's the moderates he should have worried about.
@Gunfighter
I don't know him all that well, is he good?
redhouse1938 (429 D)
07 Nov 12 UTC
@GF: no problem!
Octavious (2701 D)
07 Nov 12 UTC
Oh, Conservatives always vote because it makes us feel that we're doing our duty. What Conservatives rarely do is door to door canvassing and the like. We need to be properly motivated for that. Romney knew he could rely on the Conservative vote, but he also knew he was heavily out-gunned in the number of party faithful willing to do vital donkey work. His choice of VP was to try and get more boots on the ground.

It worked, to some extent. Just not well enough.
Gunfighter06 (224 D)
07 Nov 12 UTC
Does anyone have a reliable source for the popular vote outcome?
dipplayer2004 (1310 D)
07 Nov 12 UTC
It's still up in the air. Votes still being counted. It looks to be about 51%-49% though.
redhouse1938 (429 D)
07 Nov 12 UTC
@Oct,
Well, in my list there's an Indian-American woman. I'm sure women, and Indian-Americans, could get very outdoorsy on the prospect of a Romney-Haley ticket?
redhouse1938 (429 D)
07 Nov 12 UTC
*could have gotten
Dharmaton (2398 D)
07 Nov 12 UTC
My consideration iz: LOL
http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/3roik7/
Octavious (2701 D)
07 Nov 12 UTC
@Red

Yeah, but we're talking true blue (erm... red... Why the hell are Yank conservatives red?!?) Conservative women here. They don't get excited about a woman because she's a woman. They'd get excited about a woman because she's good and has policies they support. I don't think she'd have roused more support than... Whoever the name of the chap they chose did.
redhouse1938 (429 D)
07 Nov 12 UTC
I dunno Oct... I dunno... Feminism is not a strictly left-wing affair you know. What about Maggie in the good old days? Did she fire up British women?
Octavious (2701 D)
07 Nov 12 UTC
She certainly did. British women hated her :p.

To be honest, I don't know. I was too young to give a damn when Thatcher was in power. More women than men voted Tory when she was in, but more women than men voted Tory before she came to power too.

If women didn't have the right to we the Tories wouldn't have won an election since the war
abgemacht (1076 D(G))
07 Nov 12 UTC
Ryan was a huge mistake. Not as bad as Palin, but close. It destroyed any credibility Romney had left as being moderate and showed when push came to shove, he would submit to the demands of his party.
redhouse1938 (429 D)
07 Nov 12 UTC
@Octavious: thanks for the info, interesting. British women more to the right than British men :-O. Must not be many countries like it. By the way, about women and politics, chapeau to your new PM, that seems like a very charming first lady he brought with him in No10
@abge, that's what I thought. Wait, aren't you from Romney's state?
abgemacht (1076 D(G))
07 Nov 12 UTC
Yup, Mass. here. He basically spent most of the campaign trying to wash his hands clean of being governor. He pretended he didn't enact healthcare that was identical to Obamacare. Very insulting.
redhouse1938 (429 D)
07 Nov 12 UTC
Would have been interesting to see Romney run four years from now on a Democratic ticket after being kicked out of the Republican primary for telling them the truth.
redhouse1938 (429 D)
07 Nov 12 UTC
I have a question about Obamacare for the Americans, I've been wondering about this for ages.

So, if I understood correctly, the main problem of the people who were against Obamacare was that it was unconstitutional because there exists a "commerce clause" that prohibits the federal government from forcing citizens to buy a product, correct? My question is: why didn't the Obama administration first change the commerce clause?
Please oh Please run allen West in 2016. Sounds like a republican plan, lets run a guy who couldn't win back his seat four years ago!
semck83 (229 D(B))
07 Nov 12 UTC
redhouse, One of the main contributing factors to Bush's victories in states like Ohio was extreme mobilization of the Republican base. I think Romney felt he had to duplicate that, and he needed a nenegergized base.

I think the problem for Republicans is that they DO need a very energized base to have a chance of winning, and they also need to appeal to moderates. Going forward, that will mean their base will have to be more flexible. They're not going to be able to win if they give up the abortion issue (sorry, PE), but they'll have to change substantially on immigration and some other things.
Gunfighter06 (224 D)
07 Nov 12 UTC
Allen West is my man!

We need a president with experience, education, integrity, intelligence, and most importantly *balls*

We're stuck with an empty suit for the next four years. Allen West can fix that in a hurry. He understands and is equipped to deal with the threats of communism and radical Islam.
semck83 (229 D(B))
07 Nov 12 UTC
Um. Allen West isn't happening.
Al Swearengen (0 DX)
07 Nov 12 UTC
@semck
I like your analysis - it's consistent with what I've read in other sources.
I think that the Republicans have a more difficult task than the Democrats. The Republican power-base seems a lot more diverse than the Democratic one. AFAIK, the core elements of the Republican constituency were consolidated during Regan's campaigning and strategizing. Those elements were business interests, the gun lobby, the Christian right, and anti-communists. Subsequent Republican leaders have followed this formula since then as it seemed to work well enough at the time.
But it's complex to appeal to all of these people. They don't necessarily get along with each other all that well.

Wouldn't it be funny to sit down to dinner with a couple of Christians, a couple of gun guys, a couple of anti-communists and a couple of businessmen? That would be some awkward conversation.


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