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"Imam ghoft een rezhim-i eshghalgar-i Qods bayad az safheh-i ruzgar mahv shaved"

“This occupation regime over Jerusalem must vanish from the arena of time.”

"And what's this argument about, anyway? "Vanish from the arena of time" sounds even MORE hostile to Israel. It implies even the memory of the Jewish state would go away."

I wouldn't think the phrase would require a farsi speaker (which I am) to ascertain the meaning. The subject of the sentence is the '(1)occupation' '(2)regime' and its influence over Jerusalem. It is the character of the regime and its particular influences that must be removed. Farsi can be inclined to superlatives to emphasise the point.

I meant it sounds more hostile in English. The translator very well could have taken the use of superlatives in Farsi into account in choosing "wipe off the map." And again I come back to the point that "vanish from the arena of time" is a very strange thing to say in English. The point of the quote, that Israel (or the Israeli government, if such a distinction can be made) needs to disappear, is presented quiet well with "wipe off the map."

Translation's hard. This looks like a good faith attempt to present Ahamadmdnekfnodfhjajad's position in a way English speakers can understand.

"This looks like a good faith attempt to present Ahamadmdnekfnodfhjajad's position in a way English speakers can understand."

No it isn't, your preconceived biases against any government you deem an enemy is making you say this. I'd advise you not to become a translation theorist, of if you do, work for some propaganda group like MEMRI that doesn't care about accuracy, so long as it fits a particular narrative. I'm sure you wouldn't have any objection if someone said it was a good thing that the Soviet Union in Moscow vanished from the page of time. It doesn't imply the annihilation of the Soviet republics. You know what does imply annihilation? When Hillary Clinton says "we will obliterate you", which is what she said to Iran a few years back. I guess that's why the neo-cons love her now.

I don't want to be a translation theorist. I'm seriously looking at having translation work be a part of my future career. Documents and the like. I'd make use of their self-congratulatory, navel-gazing literature, not write more.

At heart, your argument is that "vanish from the arena of time" is poor translation of "wipe off the map." Indeed, you seem to think that only the literal translation from Farsi is legitimate. I hate to break this to you, but sense-for-sense has been the method of the overwhelming majority of scholars since the days where St. Jerome was writing the Vulgate.

The quote from Ahklglgasklkdndjflajjsdwedswr was about the destruction of Israel. Even if he didn't say the exact words "wipe off the map" he wants Israel to not be on maps anymore, as the literal translation and things such as Iran's support of Hamas make clear.

No, but since you actually want to destroy Iran and the Iranian people whom you hold in contempt, you're going to mistranslate and distort in order to beat the drums for war. The quote clearly referred to the regime, and you refused to acknowledge the point about the US wishing the Soviet would vanish from history, and Clinton threatening to obliterate Iran. Typical.

"since you actually want to destroy Iran and the Iranian people whom you hold in contempt, you're going to mistranslate and distort in order to beat the drums for war."

I don't hold the Iranian people in contempt. I don't support the United States attacking Iran. I do believe that an Israeli attack is inevitable at this point, however, and I do hold the Iranian government, and all theocracies, in contempt. How do we differ here, apart from my prediction of Israel's actions?

"The quote clearly referred to the regime"

Yes, yes it does. Destroying the government of Israel is destroying Israel. The Palestinians, quiet understandably, would probably not accept the continued presence of Jews in the land if the State of Israel was destroyed. At best, the end of Israel means the mass evacuation of Jews from the Middle East.

"you refused to acknowledge the point about the US wishing the Soviet would vanish from history, and Clinton threatening to obliterate Iran."

I haven't seen the Clinton quote, but I'll take your word on it. I point to the previous paragraph, though, on how the end of the Islamic Republic does not mean the end of Iranians, while the end of Israel does mean the end of Israelis. As for the Soviet Union, your analogy with the Baltic states is nonsense. The wider point of wishing the USSR to end is right, at least during the Reagan years, but once again the end of the Soviet Union did not mean the end of Russians and its other peoples. If the state called Israel ended the Jewish people living there would have to flee, since huge numbers of bitter Palestinians would be seeking vengeance for all the real and perceived injustices Israel has committed. You wouldn't get a binational state called Israel next to Palestine, you'd get a Palestine from the river to the sea with few if any Jews in it.