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taos (281 D)
01 Oct 11 UTC
next 64 days?
gameID=68343
how come?
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santosh (335 D)
01 Oct 11 UTC
Opinions?
http://blogs.rediff.com/mkbhadrakumar/2011/10/01/iraq-joins-the-us-supply-chain/
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EmperorMaximus (551 D)
30 Sep 11 UTC
see OP for confusion
Are we going to redo this or are we giving up on it?
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dr rush (0 DX)
30 Sep 11 UTC
Friendships....
I was wondering. People play this with their mates. People develop friendships on this site....

at what point does that become meta gaming? Im sure some people will argue it is straight from the off, whilst others argue friends more likely to stab each other
what do others think?
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Levelhead (1419 D(G))
28 Sep 11 UTC
Can you choose a country in an anonymous gunboat game?
I have gotten the SAME country in the THREE out of FOUR World DIP Gunboat games. THREE TIMES THE SAME ROTTEN COUNTRY.

Is this just bad luck or did I not see how to set a preference list???
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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
30 Sep 11 UTC
Calling All Evil Communists. Blind Liberals, Filfthy Elitists, Or Just Anti-TC People!
Friends, Romans, Webdippers, lend me your ears!
Tettleton's Chew has imposed his tyrannical, dogmatic, insidious control over our boards for too long! Murdering--er, muting--liberals en masse! Sending logic to the ghetto! Controlling all viewpoints! Kicking puppies!

VIVE LE REVOLUTION! Take on TC the Terrible! End the Reign of Error!
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justinnhoo (2343 D)
01 Oct 11 UTC
HELP NEEDED!
http://webdiplomacy.net/forum.php
italy is not drawing and i keep telling him to draw and he sent me a message saying, "is this an order? who do you think you are?"
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DonXavier (1341 D)
01 Oct 11 UTC
Join BattleAwesomeica
3 players remaining... let's get this out of pregame...
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martinck1 (4464 D(S))
29 Sep 11 UTC
New Game - Lots of Chat
Calling uclabb, Dejan0707, President Eden, Countess Tillian, rdrivera and The Hanged Man
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TBroadley (178 D)
28 Sep 11 UTC
Don't Stop Me Now EOGs
Finished game is finished. gameID=66233

Well played by Austria. I (Germany) probably would have helped you after England's stab if you hadn't attacked me. I'll write up an EOG tonight.
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Chester (0 DX)
30 Sep 11 UTC
I need a admin to unpause this game
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mariscal (0 DX)
29 Sep 11 UTC
cheating?
pls check this, live game "silent..." gameID=68963. first italy nmr, austria grows a lot about this. france in tyrolia, never took open viena or triest, austria did never care to cover. later someone joined italy, (when my turkish fleet finally reachs italy) only to bring austrians in his homelands. more than strange
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Octavious (2701 D)
26 Sep 11 UTC
The Value of a Human Life
This site attracts a fairly wide section of humanity (at least politically), so where better to try and hammer out what a human life is actually worth?
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Thucydides (864 D(B))
29 Sep 11 UTC
"He went in the Navy to better himself and met my mom while serving his country. He got out, worked his way to the top of his chosen profession and instilled values in my brother and I of a similar nature. We both took seperate routes (him law enforcement, me white collar technical work) but are working our way to the tops of our profession. Nothing handed down. No hand outs. We didn't inheret anything from anywhere and every bit of money used to pay for our schooling came from student loans or our own income. "

Consider this: The Navy is only such a large and viable employer because of the pre-preeminence of American sea power financed by our enormous GDP, a GDP so large in part because we have benefited from the exploitative system. You already benefited from this before you ever started school: your father had an income which may not have been considered rich in the US but certainly was adequate - your brain is not underdeveloped because of malnutrition - you are not at risk for preventable diseases like cholera because the US has infrastructure that prevents this kind of problem and therefore saves you on medical cost. You received a student loan in large part because of indirect government action, and also because you are an American who will go to work in the American economy which is a large, good economy meaning the creditor believes you will be able to pay back. No such luck in a country with a non-existent GDP thanks to colonial exploitation.

So even if you paid back every penny, you had the fortune of being able to pay it back at all, or getting the loan in the first place, attributable in large degree to your race, and geographic location and nationality. You can also thank a history of unionization and rising standards of living in America for your income being what it is, and not a fraction of it. The rising standards of living rose because America and the West was getting rich by manufacturing things from raw materials they extracted for almost free from their coerced subjects.

So. Nothing handed out? Nothing handed down? Are you sure?

Before you object that America was not imperialist... well... I won't insult your intelligence by explaining that the USA was as much a part of that as any European power.
orathaic (1009 D(B))
29 Sep 11 UTC
"I defy you to tell me how my position in life is a result of the slave trade.... So tell me how I had some advantage again when affirmative action made me work harder to get ahead because I was neither black nor female."

if your economy and the wealth of the people around you developed because of the slave trade, then every time your family or you earn money for your labour - you are directly benefiting from the people, prosperity, infrastructure, and systems built in the past.

You can't simply extract yourself and your family from the environment in which they grew up.
stratagos (3269 D(S))
29 Sep 11 UTC
Http://www.smbc-comics.com/comics/20110929.gif

Both topical and amusing
Tettleton's Chew (0 DX)
29 Sep 11 UTC
Actually Thucy, you have the argument upside down.
Geo-politics attributes America's massive GDP growth since WWII to our control of the oceans and not vice versa.

From page 17 of the Chapter "Dawn of the American Age"...."The United States Navy controls all the oceans of the world.....this has never happened before in human history, even with Britain. It has meant that in the final analysis the United States controls international trade. Is has become the foundation of American security and wealth."

George Friedan is the author and The Next Hundred Years is the name of the book.

So Thucy, be crafting the facts to support your flawed world view you get it all wrong.
The United States military has created the power and influence that aids unprecedented economic growth.

The Dutch has a great economy from 1550-1650, but then they lost control of the North Atlantic to the British Navy and Britain began its economic rise.

You should also read Alfred Thayer Mahan's classic treatment of naval power.

Hell Thucy, you should just educate yourself before your shoot your keyboard off getting it all wrong because you are so young, naive, and inexperienced.
Putin33 (111 D)
29 Sep 11 UTC
And yet Mahan himself says: "'Sea history ... is but one factor in that general advance and decay of nations which is called their history; and if sight be lost of the other factors to which it is so closely related, a distorted view, either exaggerated or the reverse, of its importance will be formed." (p. 138).

And never mind that the influence of battle fleets has declined remarkably, and that the two major powers of the 20th century were continental powers absolutely immune to a maritime blockade. Never mind that many of the battles for the hegemony over Europe between Austria and its neighbors took place on land (Thirty Years War, what did the navies do there?). Ditto the puny role navies had in stopping the hegemony of Napoleon. The puny role navies had in the Great Game between Russia and Britain. And of course, the puny role navies had in the European theater in WWII. Kaiser Wilhelm II was obsessed with Mahan and naval power, little good that did for him. Britain didn't even follow Mahan's advice of a decisive battle fleet encounter, and had Wilhelm invested more in U-boots, he might have won. They made the exact same mistake in WWII. Germany can blame Mahan a good deal for their two major defeats.

Finally what good did naval supremacy do for the most important war of all in the American context, the US war for independence? It was not limitations of British naval power which lost the war, but their diplomatic isolation and inability to open up a continental flank on the European states. Even if they weren't isolated, it would have been difficult to impose a blockade on the US.
largeham (149 D)
30 Sep 11 UTC
I disagree with you there Putin, naval supremacy is vital, for at least naval powers (e.g. Britain and the US). Their trade routes depend on the sea, due to being geographically isolated; continental powers don't need control of the seas as long as they can interdict trade routes enough.

The Thirty Years War may not have included navies to a large extent, however all of the colonial wars in the 18th and 19th century did: the Seven Years War, War of Spanish Succession, the Nine Years War, etc. Britain was able to hold its large empire due to its powerful navy. Trafalgar had great importance in stopping Napoleon as it mean that he had absolutely no chance in invading the UK, same again in WW2. Naval supremacy is paramount to American hegemony, gunboat diplomacy is usually an aircraft carrier going off shore and sending a few planes out. It is easier, cheaper and faster for the US to deploy a large number of soldiers by sea than it is by air.
largeham (149 D)
30 Sep 11 UTC
"So Thucy, be crafting the facts to support your flawed world view you get it all wrong.
The United States military has created the power and influence that aids unprecedented economic growth. "

This goes both ways, a large military can increase American power and influence, the resources acquired help the US create a large military, and so on.
@largeham - most european wars of the 17th century had major naval campaigns too. Even in Russia around the turn of the 19th century, many of Peter the Great's campaigns were won with small navies on lakes and rivers in the St. Petersburg area.

Also, in general, sea power is just as vital, if not moreso, than land power. Had Alexander the Great not constructed a navy, then he would never had taken Tyre and thus wouldn't be able to continue his campaign towards Persepolis. Had the Greeks not beaten the Persians at Salamis, then Persia would have overwhelmed them. Ditto for the English and the Grand Armada. It was the appearance of the French navy at Yorktown which forced Cornwallis to surrender, for he couldn't receive more supplies. U-boats sneaking supplies to Corregidor kept it from falling to the Japanese for months.

So Putin, I think you are drastically underestimating the strength of naval power. Think of the effect a few pirates off of the Horn of Africa have today. Now what if there were submarines out there not capturing, but sinking any vessel they see? The global economy would come to an abrupt halt. Actually, with the merchant marine dwindling in size (but increasing in capacity), the importance of a single cargo ship increases dramatically. So I would propose that today, moreso than ever, navies can determine the outcome of a conflict
And strat, according to that comic I can't muse about anything philosophical anymore haha
largeham (149 D)
30 Sep 11 UTC
I love SMBC.
Thucydides (864 D(B))
30 Sep 11 UTC
god you guys get so tangential so easily lol.

the two affect each other, TC, i think that is pretty self evident. and even if you are 100% right, it doesn't change the gist of my argument
Cachimbo (1181 D)
30 Sep 11 UTC
I obviously didn't keep my eyes on this thread consistently enough to be able to make heads or tails of it! From the value of human life question to the American Navy's role in world economics? There's got to be some fierce TC trolling under this!

Also: why does "value" need to be cashed out in financial terms? It seems to have been a common theme...
Thucydides (864 D(B))
30 Sep 11 UTC
^truth

its capitalism, for better or worse, we think in monetary terms
The generally accepted cost of a life is approximately 100 gold coins. But no longer:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yoRWXrZVzA&feature=related
Thucydides (864 D(B))
30 Sep 11 UTC
By the way Tettleton I forgot to point this out earlier. This statement:

"Geo-politics attributes America's massive GDP growth since WWII to our control of the oceans and not vice versa. "

proves even more strongly that America has benefited from imperialism. Why, if not via coercion, direct or indirect, or imperialism, does a large navy result in massive GDP growth? Because you can dictate terms of trade and get things for cheap, and boost your economy.
Tettleton's Chew (0 DX)
30 Sep 11 UTC
Thucy, you post that we think in monetary terms like it is a bad thing. Are you that stupid? Are you that naive? Are you that uneducated? It's one of the three.
Tettleton's Chew (0 DX)
30 Sep 11 UTC
Not Thucy, one precedes the other, but I can see why you would deny that because your false premise collapses without it.

Controlling water is no imperialism Thucy. You've been watching Costner in waterworld to often.

Thucy, I'm perfectly content watching you make a fool of yourself defending a false premise with more and more nonsense.
Thucydides (864 D(B))
30 Sep 11 UTC
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lsc2p542Lq1qkdvqeo1_500.jpg

Tettleton please actually say things that relate to this debate, instead of just asserting that I'm wrong. You are becoming very uninteresting.

I have already said that it works either way, and that they affect each other, and that even without it the point still stands. Address one of these points, at least, please.
semck83 (229 D(B))
30 Sep 11 UTC
lol. That's a pretty funny cartoon, Thucy, but I hope you don't think it's good history or policy.
Tettleton's Chew (0 DX)
30 Sep 11 UTC
Thucy, you post about the navy, I respond, destroy your point, and then you say please post things that relate to this debate.

Gosh you look silly when that is all you have to say.
Thucydides (864 D(B))
30 Sep 11 UTC
"I have already said that it works either way, and that they affect each other, and that even without it the point still stands. Address one of these points, at least, please."
Meher Baba (125 D)
30 Sep 11 UTC
Human life is priceless and cheap at the same time.


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Thucydides (864 D(B))
27 Sep 11 UTC
Lmao Peace Corps annual budget is less than US spends in 5 hours in Iraq
And less than the budget of the army marching band as well
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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
29 Sep 11 UTC
The Movie I DREAD More Than Any Other...
..."Anonymous!" I've been getting questions about this hack job every single day, EVERYONE asking me, "Are you seeing it?!?! Is it true?!?!"

Well, folks, I just watched a live debate on the film with the makers...they have Shakespeare MURDER Marlowe and Elizabeth pump out TONS of kiddies! So: anyone HERE seeing it? And what does everyone think about this?
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dD_ShockTrooper (1199 D)
30 Sep 11 UTC
I have a cunning plan
What if we all try and derail all of TC's threads, so that he mutes every single person on the forum? Then every one of his topics will be him arguing with himself. It's not like a reasonable discussion can be produced in those topics, so we won't miss out on much anyway.
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Thucydides (864 D(B))
29 Sep 11 UTC
Topic to debate, more or less formally
There are a few rules here so see inside.
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WardenDresden (239 D(B))
26 Sep 11 UTC
Why conservatives want to end many social programs.
It's not that we hate the poor, downtrodded, abused people. It's one simple thing; we expect adults to act like adults. If that is too much for us to ask, then maybe we need to re-evaluate the direction our society is headed.
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Victorious (768 D)
26 Sep 11 UTC
would it not be wise to...?
Look trough the paused games and cancel those paused for to long?
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umbletheheep (1645 D)
30 Sep 11 UTC
Universal Healthcare When I Rule the World!
gameID=68988 - 5 minutes / winner takes all!
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tricky (148 D)
28 Sep 11 UTC
CDs
Not mentioning any current games, and following the rules, can I please have peoples opinions on going CD in 5 min games following a short start time and giving neighbour countries an immediate advantage. This happens quiote alot and not just in a specific game.
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SantaClausowitz (360 D)
29 Sep 11 UTC
Al Qaida's request to Darwyn and Sico
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/envoy/al-qaeda-slams-iran-peddling-9-11-conspiracy-183407514.html


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Yonni (136 D(S))
26 Sep 11 UTC
FTL neutrinos. A victory for Big Science?
See inside
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hellalt (24 D)
27 Sep 11 UTC
I don't like the Like buttons.
Like this thread if you don't like them and maybe Kestas will get rid of them.
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Yonni (136 D(S))
07 Sep 11 UTC
Winter Gunboat Tournament - Tier Two
See inside.
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jpgredsox (104 D)
29 Sep 11 UTC
Libyan Intervention
http://dailycaller.com/2011/09/27/free-for-all-up-to-20000-anti-aircraft-missiles-stolen-in-libya/

This is great, just great. Tens of thousands of anti-aircraft missiles literally just sitting around in warehouses and similar facilities. I wonder who could possibly get a hold of those? This is just one of the many, unintended consequences interventionists and neoconservatives disregard when they argue to attack another country.
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Yonni (136 D(S))
29 Sep 11 UTC
Haha. I couldn't be happier for Boston's misery
Tonight was ridiculous...
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umbletheheep (1645 D)
29 Sep 11 UTC
Don't Do Drugs, Do Diplomacy!
gameID=68917 - Live game - Winner Takes All!
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hwh2219 (0 DX)
28 Sep 11 UTC
gameID=66233
What should I have done to win
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abgemacht (1076 D(G))
28 Sep 11 UTC
Last night I had a dream...
...that Kestas had changed the colors of the donator icons and I didn't like them very much.

I think I need to take a break from webDip...
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