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El_Bernardo (148 D)
01 Jul 11 UTC
Claims of metagaming
Do people really do this as a tactic? I'm curious because I was just sent a sternly (but politely) worded email regarding such a charge, and I know for a fact that it's baseless, so either someone is a bit precious about being ganged up on, or they're using it to gain some sort of advantage in a game.
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Rainbows (0 DX)
02 Jul 11 UTC
One player needed
Straight up:
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airborne (154 D)
30 Jun 11 UTC
The Green Flu hits the USA
June 30, 2011 The Government of the USA announces that indeed the worldwide pandemic known as the Green Flu has hit the USA.
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☺ (1304 D)
01 Jul 11 UTC
Equality violates the Fourteenth Amendment
http://www.detnews.com/article/20110701/SCHOOLS/107010416/1409/METRO/Court-strikes-down-Michigan-ban-on-race-in-college-admissions

Doubleplusungood.
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dexter morgan (225 D(S))
02 Jul 11 UTC
As to the "economics is all there is now" argument... first of all, what data do you have that shows that to be the case? There are studies such as the resume study that Putin referenced that clearly point to race still being an issue - so I'm not sure what conflicting data you have. Surely you have met racists... surely you have heard studies about differences in sentencing for the same crime where the only difference was race... surely you've heard about "driving while black" profiling and harassment, surely you... if you paused to think about it, could hear yourselves with the statements even in this thread about how blacks need to stop choosing jail and such... surely you remember the ridiculous treatment of Obama that continues to this day due to his name and his race... surely you've heard similarly racist characterizations of other public figures - as monkeys, as you name it... it seems these are less common than they were in past decades - but to say they don't exist is ridiculous. This is a far from color blind society. Many people are effectively color blind - but to ignore the significant minority that let it affect their decisions and their associations and hiring practices and housing practices etc. isn't color blind it is simply blind.
I'll readdress this after a live game. This is what I get for trying to debate and live simultaneously. lol.
dexter morgan (225 D(S))
02 Jul 11 UTC
too funny
MUTE YOU ALL SO I DON'T HAVE TO RESPOND MWAHAHAHA

Alright, but seriously. I'm clearly going to have to look over Putin's link again regarding its level of controlling for external factors. I didn't get the impression on initial read that it did all too well, but that might have been the fault of a quick scan + confirmation bias, so I'll give it another read and readdress.

And I'll admit "all there is" is certainly an overstatement, as some small fraction of the community is still racist enough not to hire a superior candidate for a job. From my own experience living in the Deep South, though, that number is a pretty small fraction even within the heart of reactionary race bullshit. The owners of businesses might still be very much racist, but they're still reasonable enough to hire the clearly superior candidate for a job. They don't let their racism get in the way of sound business. And even the number of business owners who are racist isn't as big as it's stated to be.

Regarding monkeys, the only person I've heard characterized in that manner (aside from Obama, who will be addressed) is Bush... and if there are racist undertones there, I missed it completely. As for Obama, while there are obviously still those who are all "BAAAAWWW BLACK PRESIDENT NOOOO," their number is again rather small. What I have noticed, though, is that you have rather staunch conservatives who absolutely hate the idea that Obama got elected because he, to them, seems extremely far left. They are rather expressive of that opinion. Then SUPPORTERS of Obama make it a race thing by assuming the opposition to Obama must be because he's black. This in turn further incenses these people, building up the resentment for Obama even more by association with his followers, leading to more vehement expressions of outrage which seem to fuel the racebaiting even more.

As for law enforcement, I'm inclined to agree, because I've found they are in fact rather racist as an institution. However, that does not extend to academia, which (from my limited experience) is probably the least racist government institution in existence.

That's the main thrust here. Police departments may be (are) racist. Some businessmen may be (are) racist. Universities are not racist in the anti-minorities sense. I've actually found myself in classes so far with only a year to my name in college that are overtly reverse racist -- and not in the conservative [politically] use of the word for basically anything that might try to address any correlation between race and economic status, but in the literal sense that I have been told by a (white, ironically) professor that white people are bad. (Not so childishly, obviously, but that was his point.) Haven't seen standard-issue racism and you can bet the farm I won't while I'm there unless it's some hungover frat douche chiming in on a class on African politics. (Apologies to frat douches. Not.) I don't think anyone would disagree with the notion that the governing bodies of universities aren't racist, including admissions. So the notion that we need these policies for higher education doesn't seem right to me.

Even if we concede that there is a wide racial issue (which I'm not, yet, but say we do concede it) -- the economic problem should come first. Trying to fix the economic problem first starting with, as I believe you and others observed already, improving education at all levels, K-12 as well as college, will have an immediate positive impact on society and will have a better payoff than just fixing the racial issue. You get that fixed and you see the results of it and see if race is still the decisive issue it's being cited as here. I suspect it won't be. (And if it is, better that you at least fixed the economics and brought the impoverished out of poverty, right? Race would still need to be handled, but the gain from fixing the economic problem first is greater and would probably help the racial problem if it exists anyway.)

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On a side note, Putin, where do you get all your studies and such from? It would be helpful to have a resource like that for these and other discussions so that I'm not sitting here arguing qualitatively all the time.


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stoned spider (176 D)
02 Jul 11 UTC
Need a mod for this game
Here is the link
http://www.webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=62836#gamePanel

England, Italy, and I (Austria) voted to draw and unpause, however Germany is gone. I don't want to take the win away from Italy, considering he wins the next game, could a mod unpause the game? Germany did not have a chance to win anyway. If anyone did it was England.
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Sheogorath (170 D)
02 Jul 11 UTC
Need a mod to draw this game...
gameID=62843

Everybody is still alive and I would really appreciate a draw (the name of the game pleases me). Anyways a lot of people left because for some reason WebDip went down.
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Tassadar (131 D)
02 Jul 11 UTC
I want a quick live game tonight! Let's have fun! (Please!)
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roland0469 (111 D)
01 Jul 11 UTC
Disgusting Anti-Semitic language by Riphen during gameID=62826
01:52 PM (To: Global, from Germany) - Autumn, 1902: What the Jew is this guy saying.

It was offensive and horrifying for me to read this. I will not play with this user again and I may never use this site again.
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President Eden (2750 D)
02 Jul 11 UTC
Hey, mods, I kinda made a big mistake...
I signed up for a live game as the last player (can't leave) thinking it was starting in 18 minutes. It's starting in 18 hours. I am 99% sure I won't be here for it. Is there any recourse?
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dD_ShockTrooper (1199 D)
01 Jul 11 UTC
This is getting ridiculous...
gameID=43762 We started with 170 pot, we have 344 now. I don't know why people join for one phase and never come back, but it is getting a bit silly having a new India, Pacific Russia and Antarctica every second week.
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WardenDresden (239 D(B))
02 Jul 11 UTC
LIVE Game starting now
http://www.webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=62840
Right there, 2 spots left.
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Geofram (130 D(B))
02 Jul 11 UTC
Happy Canada Day!
The Toronto parade was awesome, good fun. Hope everyone is enjoying the holiday and carries it into the weekend. Cheers!
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abgemacht (1076 D(G))
02 Jul 11 UTC
LIVE GAME WITH TEAMSPEAK STARTING NOW
We need 1 player. They're just learning but TS is a lot of fun. State your interest here.
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orangefarm (100 D)
01 Jul 11 UTC
The great pause
On June 5th, almost a month ago, a player in this game http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=56700 requested a pause for two days to study for an exam.
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President Eden (2750 D)
01 Jul 11 UTC
Eastern Triple.
I'm not crazy. You're crazy for saying it can't work! See inside.
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guy~~ (3779 D(B))
01 Jul 11 UTC
Happy Canada Day!
Dearest WebD people, wishing you a happy Canada Day regardless of your nationality (although I know there are a few of us here). It's a beautiful, sunny day here in Ottawa...and I invited Will and Kate over to my house party tonight, but still haven't heard back from them. Hope you all have a great day!
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abgemacht (1076 D(G))
14 Jun 11 UTC
webDip F2F 2012
So, I was going to wait a month to talk about this, but, honestly, I'm just too excited. So, put your name and where in the *world* you're willing to travel, so we can pick our next destination. This is just to get a general impression of where the most activity is.
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President Eden (2750 D)
30 Jun 11 UTC
I’ve been thinking quite a bit lately about something we can all relate to.
Something that is, unquestionably, inescapably, American.
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Sicarius (673 D)
29 Jun 11 UTC
Better not get sick...
Some american health care statistics. I was a little shocked to be honest, but I also havnt been paying attention.
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President Eden (2750 D)
01 Jul 11 UTC
HEY GHOST GUESS WHAT
It's Jullllllyyyyyyyyy!
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Cachimbo (1181 D)
01 Jul 11 UTC
July Ghost Ratings
It's July first! Time to see if we've gone up the ratings or not.
Well I really want to see...
I'm just sayin'...
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Thucydides (864 D(B))
30 Jun 11 UTC
Odd Future, Earl Sweatshirt, and Tyler, the Creator
Opinions on these?
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Tettleton's Chew (0 DX)
22 Jun 11 UTC
Can anyone defend socialism?
Can anyone defend the idea that "government" can produce a better society by diminishing individual freedom in exchange for increased socialist imposition of government power on the individual?
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abgemacht (1076 D(G))
29 Jun 11 UTC
Live Game with TeamSpeak
Don't know if anyone has tried this before, but I just played a live game with TeamSpeak and it was awesome; almost like playing F2F. If people want to spend a night and play, let me know.
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jayen (201 D)
30 Jun 11 UTC
points calculation
this user seems to have 60+30=100 D http://webdiplomacy.net/profile.php?userID=36192

how does that work?
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Tettleton's Chew (0 DX)
29 Jun 11 UTC
Attacting Socialist Troll Thread
Invariably this thread will attract the socialist trolls.
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Maniac (189 D(B))
26 Jun 11 UTC
Never, ever, ever ask me to pause a game again.....ever
As you probably know I don't like pausing, but will do so occassionally when people promise to be back by so and so date. But then somebody else announces that they won't unpause for another week, and there is nothing I can do - and of course the mods won't intervene. Which is all fine, but don't ever expect me to pause again - if you don't like it don't join a game I'm in. /endrant
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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
29 Jun 11 UTC
A Question On Film
Took a Film and Lit class this semester--and it was a lot of fun, one of the msot enjoyable classes I've had while in collage, the material was only so-so, but the atmosphere and folks there were great--and it got me thinking: what "kind" of art would you classify film as? A different kind of theatre? A different, motion-based kind of canvas/physical art? Another kind of medium? It's own category? How should we evaluate film artistically, as it's now such a part of our modern culture?
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dexter morgan (225 D(S))
30 Jun 11 UTC
Need players for games
Need 2 players each for two games where multis were thrown out *before* the first turn has been finalized. So - essentially these are New games... they are gameID=62620 "fogbound", an anonymous gunboat game, and gameID=62621 "pshaw!", a public messaging only game. Each are 5 to enter and have 2 day turns. Hope to see you there!
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☺ (1304 D)
29 Jun 11 UTC
☻☺☻☺ EOG
Inside
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