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El_Bernardo (148 D)
01 Jul 11 UTC
Claims of metagaming
Do people really do this as a tactic? I'm curious because I was just sent a sternly (but politely) worded email regarding such a charge, and I know for a fact that it's baseless, so either someone is a bit precious about being ganged up on, or they're using it to gain some sort of advantage in a game.
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Rainbows (0 DX)
02 Jul 11 UTC
One player needed
Straight up:
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airborne (154 D)
30 Jun 11 UTC
The Green Flu hits the USA
June 30, 2011 The Government of the USA announces that indeed the worldwide pandemic known as the Green Flu has hit the USA.
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☺ (1304 D)
01 Jul 11 UTC
Equality violates the Fourteenth Amendment
http://www.detnews.com/article/20110701/SCHOOLS/107010416/1409/METRO/Court-strikes-down-Michigan-ban-on-race-in-college-admissions

Doubleplusungood.
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stoned spider (176 D)
02 Jul 11 UTC
Need a mod for this game
Here is the link
http://www.webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=62836#gamePanel

England, Italy, and I (Austria) voted to draw and unpause, however Germany is gone. I don't want to take the win away from Italy, considering he wins the next game, could a mod unpause the game? Germany did not have a chance to win anyway. If anyone did it was England.
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Sheogorath (170 D)
02 Jul 11 UTC
Need a mod to draw this game...
gameID=62843

Everybody is still alive and I would really appreciate a draw (the name of the game pleases me). Anyways a lot of people left because for some reason WebDip went down.
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Tassadar (131 D)
02 Jul 11 UTC
I want a quick live game tonight! Let's have fun! (Please!)
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roland0469 (111 D)
01 Jul 11 UTC
Disgusting Anti-Semitic language by Riphen during gameID=62826
01:52 PM (To: Global, from Germany) - Autumn, 1902: What the Jew is this guy saying.

It was offensive and horrifying for me to read this. I will not play with this user again and I may never use this site again.
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President Eden (2750 D)
02 Jul 11 UTC
Hey, mods, I kinda made a big mistake...
I signed up for a live game as the last player (can't leave) thinking it was starting in 18 minutes. It's starting in 18 hours. I am 99% sure I won't be here for it. Is there any recourse?
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dD_ShockTrooper (1199 D)
01 Jul 11 UTC
This is getting ridiculous...
gameID=43762 We started with 170 pot, we have 344 now. I don't know why people join for one phase and never come back, but it is getting a bit silly having a new India, Pacific Russia and Antarctica every second week.
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WardenDresden (239 D(B))
02 Jul 11 UTC
LIVE Game starting now
http://www.webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=62840
Right there, 2 spots left.
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Geofram (130 D(B))
02 Jul 11 UTC
Happy Canada Day!
The Toronto parade was awesome, good fun. Hope everyone is enjoying the holiday and carries it into the weekend. Cheers!
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abgemacht (1076 D(G))
02 Jul 11 UTC
LIVE GAME WITH TEAMSPEAK STARTING NOW
We need 1 player. They're just learning but TS is a lot of fun. State your interest here.
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orangefarm (100 D)
01 Jul 11 UTC
The great pause
On June 5th, almost a month ago, a player in this game http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=56700 requested a pause for two days to study for an exam.
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President Eden (2750 D)
01 Jul 11 UTC
Eastern Triple.
I'm not crazy. You're crazy for saying it can't work! See inside.
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guy~~ (3779 D(B))
01 Jul 11 UTC
Happy Canada Day!
Dearest WebD people, wishing you a happy Canada Day regardless of your nationality (although I know there are a few of us here). It's a beautiful, sunny day here in Ottawa...and I invited Will and Kate over to my house party tonight, but still haven't heard back from them. Hope you all have a great day!
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abgemacht (1076 D(G))
14 Jun 11 UTC
webDip F2F 2012
So, I was going to wait a month to talk about this, but, honestly, I'm just too excited. So, put your name and where in the *world* you're willing to travel, so we can pick our next destination. This is just to get a general impression of where the most activity is.
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President Eden (2750 D)
30 Jun 11 UTC
I’ve been thinking quite a bit lately about something we can all relate to.
Something that is, unquestionably, inescapably, American.
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Sicarius (673 D)
29 Jun 11 UTC
Better not get sick...
Some american health care statistics. I was a little shocked to be honest, but I also havnt been paying attention.
Sicarius (673 D)
29 Jun 11 UTC
#1 What the United States spent on health care in 2009 was greater than the entire GDP of Great Britain.

#2 According to the Bureau of Economic Analysis, health care costs accounted for just 9.5% of all personal consumption back in 1980. Today they account for approximately 16.3%.

#3 The United States spent 2.47 trillion dollars on health care in 2009. It is being projected that the U.S. will spend 4.5 trillion dollars on health care in 2019.

#4 One study found that approximately 41 percent of working age Americans either have medical bill problems or are currently paying off medical debt.

#5 According to a report published in The American Journal of Medicine, medical bills are a major factor in more than 60 percent of the personal bankruptcies in the United States. Of those bankruptcies that were caused by medical bills, approximately 75 percent of them involved individuals that actually did have health insurance.

#6 Over the past decade, health insurance premiums have risen three times faster than wages have in the United States.

#7 The chairman of Aetna, the third largest health insurance company in the United States, brought in a staggering $68.7 million during 2010. Ron Williams exercised stock options that were worth approximately $50.3 million and he raked in an additional $18.4 million in wages and other forms of compensation. The funny thing is that he left the company and didn’t even work the whole year.

#8 The top executives at the five largest for-profit health insurance companies in the United States combined to receive nearly $200 million in total compensation for 2009.

#9 Even as the rest of the country struggled with a deep recession, U.S. health insurance companies increased their profits by 56 percent during 2009 alone.

#10 According to a report by Health Care for America Now, America’s five biggest for-profit health insurance companies ended 2009 with a combined profit of $12.2 billion.

#11 In the United States, health insurance administration expenses account for 8 percent of all health care costs. In Finland, that figure is just 2 percent.

#12 Health insurance rate increases are getting out of control. According to the Los Angeles Times, Blue Shield of California announced plans earlier this year to raise rates an average of 30% to 35%, and some individual policy holders were slated to see their health insurance premiums rise by up to 59 percent.

#13 According to an article on the Mother Jones website, health insurance premiums for small employers in the U.S. increased 180% between 1999 and 2009.

#14 Since 2003, health insurance companies have shelled out more than $42 million in state-level campaign contributions.

#15 There were more than two dozen pharmaceutical companies that made over a billion dollars in profits each during 2008.

#16 Each year, tens of billions of dollars is spent on pharmaceutical marketing in the United States alone.

#17 Prescription drugs cost about 50% more in the United States than they do in other countries.

#18 Nearly half of all Americans now use prescription drugs on a regular basis according to a CDC report that was recently released. According to the report, approximately one-third of all Americans use two or more pharmaceutical drugs, and more than ten percent of all Americans use five or more drugs on a regular basis.

#19 According to the CDC, approximately three quarters of a million people a year are rushed to emergency rooms in the United States because of adverse reactions to pharmaceutical drugs.

#20 The Food and Drug Administration reported 1,742 prescription drug recalls in 2009, which was a gigantic increase from 426 drug recalls in 2008.

#21 Children in the United States are three times more likely to be prescribed antidepressants than children in Europe are.

#22 The percentage of women taking antidepressants in America is higherthan in any other country in the world.

#23 Lawyers are certainly doing their part to contribute to soaring health care costs. According to one recent study, the medical liability system in the United States added approximately $55.6 billion to the cost of health care in 2008.

#24 According to one doctor interviewed by Fox News, “a gunshot wound to the head, chest or abdomen” will cost $13,000 at his hospital the moment the victim comes in the door, and then there will be significant additional charges depending on how bad the wound is.

#25 Why are c-sections on the rise? It is because a vaginal delivery costs approximately $5,992, while a c-section costs approximately $8,558.

#26 According to the CIA World Factbook, the United States had a higher infant mortality rate than 45 other nations in 2009.

#27 The infant mortality rate in the United States is nearly three times as high as it is in Singapore.

#28 It is estimated that hospitals overcharge Americans by about 10 billion dollars every single year.

#29 In fact, one trained medical billing advocate says that over 90 percent of all the medical bills that she has audited contain “gross overcharges“.

#30 It is not uncommon for insurance companies to get hospitals to knock their bills down by up to 95 percent, but if you are uninsured or you don’t know how the system works then you are out of luck.

#31 Over the last decade, the number of Americans without health insurance has risen from about 38 million to about 52 million.

#32 People living in the United States are three times more likely to have diabetes than people living in the United Kingdom.

#33 Today, people living in Puerto Rico have a greater life expectancy than people living in the United States do.

#34 According to OECD statistics, Americans are twice as obese as Canadians are.

#35 Back in 1965, only one out of every 50 Americans was on Medicaid. Today, one out of every 6 Americans is on Medicaid.

#36 The U.S. government now says that the Medicare trust fund will run outfive years faster than they were projecting just last year.

#37 It is being projected that the federal government will account for more than 50 percent of all health care spending in 2012.

#38 Greece has twice as many hospital beds per person as the United States does.

#39 The state of California now ranks dead last out of all 50 states in the number of emergency rooms per million people.

#40 According to one survey, approximately 1 out of every 4 Californians under the age of 65 has absolutely no health insurance.

#41 According to a PricewaterhouseCoopers report, “inefficient claims processing” costs the U.S. health care system 210 billion dollars every single year.

#42 Today, approximately 40% of all U.S. doctors are age 55 or older.

#43 According to the American Association of Medical Colleges, we were already going to be facing a shortage of more than 150,000 doctors over the next 15 years even before Obamacare was passed.

#44 An IBD/TIPP poll taken back in August 2009 found that 4 out of every 9 American doctors said that they “would consider leaving their practice or taking an early retirement” if Congress passed Obamacare.

#45 According to a survey published in the New England Journal of Medicine, approximately one-third of all practicing physicians in the United States indicated that they may leave the medical profession because of the new health care law.

#46 According to a Merritt Hawkins survey of 2,379 doctors that was conducted in August 2010, 40 percent of all U.S. doctors plan to “retire, seek a nonclinical job in health care, or seek a job or business unrelated to health care” at some point over the next three years.

#47 According to the executive director of Physician Hospitals of America, Obamacare has already forced the cancellation of at least 60 doctor-owned hospitals that were scheduled to open soon.

#48 According to a report released in 2010, Americans spend approximately twice as much as residents of other developed countries do on health care.

#49 If the U.S. health care system was a country, it would be the 6th largest economy in the entire world.

#50 According to numbers released by Deloitte Consulting, a whopping875,000 Americans were “medical tourists” in 2010.



sources on request
Spacemonkey (0 DX)
29 Jun 11 UTC
And there are still too many fat ass fucks in this country.
Sicarius (673 D)
29 Jun 11 UTC
http://zinelibrary.info/files/Civilization%20Definition%20Demotivational%20Poster.JPG
Gunfighter06 (224 D)
29 Jun 11 UTC
@ Spacemonkey

That is definitely part of the problem. If people knew how to take care of themselves, we wouldn't have all of these problems. If you stop taking good care of yourself, that is your problem.

@ Sicarius

What is the point of this thread? An anarchist like you can't be implying support for universal healthcare. What are you getting at? Most people don't randomly post healthcare statistics on the Forum.
Gunfighter06 (224 D)
29 Jun 11 UTC
Hello? Sicarius?
Kingdroid (219 D)
29 Jun 11 UTC
#25 Why are c-sections on the rise? It is because a vaginal delivery costs approximately $5,992, while a c-section costs approximately $8,558.

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Wait, how is that a reason?
Sicarius (673 D)
29 Jun 11 UTC
Because they get to charge you more that way, so it will be recommended much more often.
Sicarius (673 D)
29 Jun 11 UTC
Not really getting at anything really. I myself was sorta surprised when I started seeing the numbers, just wondering what others thoughts on them are.
mr_brown (302 D(B))
29 Jun 11 UTC
So hospitals turn a bigger profit. Like the car dealer trying to sell you a more expensive model.
mr_brown (302 D(B))
29 Jun 11 UTC
Hah, should refresh after reading a post for 10 minutes.
krellin (80 DX)
29 Jun 11 UTC
The problem with health care costs *IS* the insurance industry. I recently had a colonoscopy (oh, the joy of being in your 40's...) and I couldn't get a straight answer on what the procedure would cost. The sugrical facility said I had to pay them $X co-pay, but then there was a bill for the anesthetist, the surgeon, the lab work, etc....all whom bill separately to my insurance company. I still have no idea what the final cost will be.

Can you imagine going to get your car serviced, and them not being able to tell you how much it will cost? Well, there's $50 rent on the service bay, and Joe want's $100 before he even opens his tool box....but I can't tell you what the parts counter is gonna charge, and then there is the porter who drives your car into the bay, and he bills separate, and then the parts delivery guy.....so, we'll just fix you car and bill you whatever the hell we want....

The problem with health care costs is the LACK of free market capitalism in the system. It is almost impossible to shop around for best cost and quality, because we are trained to just flash an insurance card and pretend it's all free.
I think the problem is that it is totally corrupt.
joey1 (198 D)
30 Jun 11 UTC
I think that some state in the US should try the Canadian or European model and see how it works in the US context. if it works well at a 1 state level it may get implemented in more states, and if 75% of the states get on board, you can then consider a constitutional amendment mandating health care being provided by the states.
Draugnar (0 DX)
30 Jun 11 UTC
@krellin +1 - I absolutely *love* that analogy. Spot on perfect, dude!

@Sic - just because C-sections cost more doesn't mean there will be more. Remember, insurance companies require prior approval for elective surgery, so the doctor has to have a valid reason for the C-section unless it is an emergency delivery or the insurance company won't pay.
krellin (80 DX)
30 Jun 11 UTC
Thanks Draug. I'm sad, though, that in my "free society" I have no true choices in health care, and when government takes over, I will have fewer choices still....and fewer choices than NONE leaves us with...what?????

There's a topic for discussion....
Kingdroid (219 D)
30 Jun 11 UTC
Umm, I'm pretty sure the reason everyone gets a c-section is because they don't want to go through the pain of regular childbirth.
I think USA's healthcare system is a bit bogus, it combines socialism and capitalism to create a system with no informed choices able to be made and completely unpaid for by the government. It has the price of a capitalist system and the quality and choice of a socialist system.

@Kingdroid - They'd rather the pain of perpetual financial problems
joey1 (198 D)
30 Jun 11 UTC
No it is because they are risk-adverse due to the potential legal complications. In many hospitals it is impossible to do a VBAC even when it makes the most sense. (This is even creeping into Canada, where midwives are now not able to do VBACs. Including a friend of mine who had a C-section for her first child, mid-wife birth for her next 3 (including a home birth) then then for her 5th child was told she could not be under the care of a midwife because of the C-section for child 1).

The general response to any difficulty is to do a c-section so they can not be sued if that was a wrong choice.
Gunfighter06 (224 D)
30 Jun 11 UTC
krellin is right.

I think the free market is the best solution for the healthcare question. However, you need to solve America's problems in order. You can't really fix the system until you get the unemployment rate down.

The key to prosperity is the economy. If you consistently have a strong economy year after year after year for a long time, and you post a trade surplus for that length of time, every subsequent generation will be richer and richer. Soon, big problems like healthcare will solve themselves and private charity will pick up the slack for the (very few) who are less fortunate.
orathaic (1009 D(B))
30 Jun 11 UTC
'Can you imagine going to get your car serviced, and them not being able to tell you how much it will cost? Well, there's $50 rent on the service bay, and Joe want's $100 before he even opens his tool box....but I can't tell you what the parts counter is gonna charge, and then there is the porter who drives your car into the bay, and he bills separate, and then the parts delivery guy.....so, we'll just fix you car and bill you whatever the hell we want....'

first time for everything i guess, i agree today with krellin...
orathaic (1009 D(B))
30 Jun 11 UTC
'The key to prosperity is the economy. If you consistently have a strong economy year after year after year for a long time, and you post a trade surplus for that length of time, every subsequent generation will be richer and richer. Soon, big problems like healthcare will solve themselves and private charity will pick up the slack for the (very few) who are less fortunate.'

this is unrealistic in the long run, without extra resources to consume, until we start considering a cycle - you can recycle, or harvest resources from your landfills - though the cost is prohibitive at the moment - and once you have everything in a sustainable cycle they 'growth' rate will be determined by the speed with which you can run this cycle... so more goods sold, dumped, recycled, and resold means more sales, means higher economic growth... however this is a long way from being realisable, and the second law of thermodynamics screws up such a system eventually (no matter how much sunlight you direct on the problem)
Sicarius (673 D)
30 Jun 11 UTC
@ draugnar

The tricky thing is that doctors are making these decisions with the patients, and the doctors often don’t work for the hospitals. So, if the hospitals are influencing that decision, they’re not doing it by having an administrator walking into the delivery room and saying, "look, we can really make another thousand dollars here if you just do a c-section." They’re doing it perhaps indirectly, through the way the hospital is set up. It may be just a little bit of pressure to be, like, "look, we have three more people coming in, we really need to clear these beds." And if you’ve got a woman that’s taking a really long time in labor, that could be another 24 hours, whereas the c-section is done in the next hour.
Yonni (136 D(S))
30 Jun 11 UTC
When people go to the ER they generally aren't in a position to haggle or shop around. The doctors sort of the have the patients by the nuts. In a free market, that will surely get exploited.
Draugnar (0 DX)
30 Jun 11 UTC
@Sic - but if the insurance won't cover that C-section, the hospital won't do that because they'll have to write it off when the insurance company denies the claim and tells the patient that they aren't responsible either.
orathaic (1009 D(B))
30 Jun 11 UTC
". It may be just a little bit of pressure to be, like, 'look, we have three more people coming in, we really need to clear these beds.' "

i believe this is more likely the case when you're looking at a public hospital where the service to their public is more important than the cost (which isn't charged to the patient...)
Thing is, we already have a socialized health care system. It's just that it's socialized in the least effective way possible: through the bankruptcy courts. If you're an insurance company, it's a fantastic system; otherwise, the most sensible answer is single payer.
Gunfighter06 (224 D)
30 Jun 11 UTC
@ orathaic

If you are using resources that are unlimited, the Second Law of Thermodynamics is irrelevant.
Draugnar (0 DX)
30 Jun 11 UTC
"i believe this is more likely the case when you're looking at a public hospital where the service to their public is more important than the cost (which isn't charged to the patient...) "

We are talking about the US health care system. These "public" hospitals don't really exist over here. Even the VA hospitals make money.
SacredDigits (102 D)
30 Jun 11 UTC
I worked at a hospital briefly when I couldn't find a decent job, and it was a pretty prominent one. And yes, it made money, and it also had low cost/no cost options for the uninsured.

Which not only were more or less billed to the insured by raising the overall rates, but also involved using 15 total beds (in a 1,000+ bed hospital) for those patients, all in the same unit, no matter what was going on with them. You can say what you will about what quality of care that would provide, I will say that the doctors and nurses down there were very determined, maybe the best in the hospital. But regardless, it means that never were paying beds vacated for people who couldn't pay.

Additionally, the doctor receives more money for a C-section than vaginal delivery too. Even if they're not a de facto hospital employee, they have their rates for each procedure performed, just like the hospital itself. Once the knife comes out, it gets more expensive.
TheGhostmaker (1545 D)
30 Jun 11 UTC
"I think USA's healthcare system is a bit bogus, it combines socialism and capitalism to create a system with no informed choices able to be made and completely unpaid for by the government. It has the price of a capitalist system and the quality and choice of a socialist system."

Over half the spending is done by the government....
orathaic (1009 D(B))
30 Jun 11 UTC
"If you are using resources that are unlimited, the Second Law of Thermodynamics is irrelevant."

do you know any unlimited resources?
Sheppy674 (0 DX)
01 Jul 11 UTC
^the sun
Kingdroid (219 D)
01 Jul 11 UTC
^Limited.
Space and time are 2 unlimited resources.
SPAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACCEE
Draugnar (0 DX)
01 Jul 11 UTC
Time is unlimited? Really... From a personal perspective, I only have about 100 years, and from our planet's and solar system's perspective, it will come to an end when the sun reaches old age and dies, whther it goes out with a bang or just sort of fizzles into a cold black nothing.
Gunfighter06 (224 D)
01 Jul 11 UTC
There are resources that are so abundant that the human race does not need to worry about running out for a very long time. We have oceans of water. The sun will continue to shine for millions of years. The wind will continue to blow until the sun stops shining. There are resources that are unlimited as far as we are concerned.


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President Eden (2750 D)
01 Jul 11 UTC
HEY GHOST GUESS WHAT
It's Jullllllyyyyyyyyy!
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Cachimbo (1181 D)
01 Jul 11 UTC
July Ghost Ratings
It's July first! Time to see if we've gone up the ratings or not.
Well I really want to see...
I'm just sayin'...
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Thucydides (864 D(B))
30 Jun 11 UTC
Odd Future, Earl Sweatshirt, and Tyler, the Creator
Opinions on these?
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Tettleton's Chew (0 DX)
22 Jun 11 UTC
Can anyone defend socialism?
Can anyone defend the idea that "government" can produce a better society by diminishing individual freedom in exchange for increased socialist imposition of government power on the individual?
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abgemacht (1076 D(G))
29 Jun 11 UTC
Live Game with TeamSpeak
Don't know if anyone has tried this before, but I just played a live game with TeamSpeak and it was awesome; almost like playing F2F. If people want to spend a night and play, let me know.
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jayen (201 D)
30 Jun 11 UTC
points calculation
this user seems to have 60+30=100 D http://webdiplomacy.net/profile.php?userID=36192

how does that work?
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Tettleton's Chew (0 DX)
29 Jun 11 UTC
Attacting Socialist Troll Thread
Invariably this thread will attract the socialist trolls.
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Maniac (189 D(B))
26 Jun 11 UTC
Never, ever, ever ask me to pause a game again.....ever
As you probably know I don't like pausing, but will do so occassionally when people promise to be back by so and so date. But then somebody else announces that they won't unpause for another week, and there is nothing I can do - and of course the mods won't intervene. Which is all fine, but don't ever expect me to pause again - if you don't like it don't join a game I'm in. /endrant
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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
29 Jun 11 UTC
A Question On Film
Took a Film and Lit class this semester--and it was a lot of fun, one of the msot enjoyable classes I've had while in collage, the material was only so-so, but the atmosphere and folks there were great--and it got me thinking: what "kind" of art would you classify film as? A different kind of theatre? A different, motion-based kind of canvas/physical art? Another kind of medium? It's own category? How should we evaluate film artistically, as it's now such a part of our modern culture?
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dexter morgan (225 D(S))
30 Jun 11 UTC
Need players for games
Need 2 players each for two games where multis were thrown out *before* the first turn has been finalized. So - essentially these are New games... they are gameID=62620 "fogbound", an anonymous gunboat game, and gameID=62621 "pshaw!", a public messaging only game. Each are 5 to enter and have 2 day turns. Hope to see you there!
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☺ (1304 D)
29 Jun 11 UTC
☻☺☻☺ EOG
Inside
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