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denis (864 D)
15 Jun 14 UTC
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Advertise for Replacements
Why doesn't this thread exist, advertise for replacements in games with CD's and NMRs, especially live games
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Dave McBride (107 D)
18 Jun 14 UTC
when someone is erroneously banned midgame, how is it fixed?
A player and friend was mistakenly banned from the game I created for no apparent reason. The game is http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=141372#gamePanel .
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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
10 Jun 14 UTC
Hail to the Redskins?
http://washington.cbslocal.com/2014/06/10/minute-long-change-the-mascot-ad-to-air-nationally-during-game-3-of-nba-finals/ The commercial in there will be aired in seven major markets (including Washington) during Game 3 of the NBA Finals. We've had the discussion before...but since we can all use a break from the seemingly-weekly reminders of school shootings (one today in Oregon)--1. Think they SHOULD change the name and 2. WILL the name be change soon?
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trip (696 D(B))
13 Jun 14 UTC
obi: The term "redskin" was not a derogatory term until misinformed, guild laden, white activists decided it was.

@ Chaqa: It's not offensive because it was designed by consortium of tribes.

http://anthropology.si.edu/goddard/redskin.pdf

http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~okcoal/place/choctaw1.htm

http://www.greatfallstribune.com/story/news/2014/02/16/don-wetzel-dont-call-redskins-logo-offensive/5528647/

Go Iggles!
ckroberts (3548 D)
18 Jun 14 UTC
On the origin of the name Redskins: http://www.esquire.com/blogs/news/true-redskins-meaning#comments
bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
18 Jun 14 UTC
I think I picked up more about sex on that page than I did about the origin of the term redskin.
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
18 Jun 14 UTC
"The term "redskin" was not a derogatory term until misinformed, guild laden, white activists decided it was."

Uh-huh.

Would you mind explaining how those very-non-white Native American groups such as, oh, the National Congress of American Indians decry the term as offensive?

Seems to me like that's more than a few whiny Berkeley students to me.

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/definition/american_english/redskin

"Redskin is first recorded in the late 17th century and was applied to the Algonquian peoples generally, but specifically to the Delaware (who lived in what is now southern New York State and New York City, New Jersey, and eastern Pennsylvania). Redskin referred not to the natural skin color of the Delaware, but to their use of vermilion face paint and body paint. In time, however, through a process that in linguistics is called pejoration, by which a neutral term acquires an unfavorable connotation or denotation, redskin lost its neutral, accurate descriptive sense and became a term of disparagement. Red man is first recorded in the early 17th century and was originally neutral in tone. Red Indian is first recorded in the early 19th century and was used by the British, far more than by Americans, to distinguish the Indians of the subcontinent from the Indians of the Americas. All three terms are dated or offensive. American Indian and Native American are now the standard umbrella terms. Of course, if it is possible or appropriate, one can also use specific tribal names (Cheyenne, Nez Percé, etc.)."

^So...bullshit...

It's an old term--like most English phrases, it's gone through revisions over the years, but it's been a pejorative for a long time...

Even if I was to be extremely generous and say that "long time" was more like 100-150 years rather than since the mid-to-late 17th century.

Furthermore, AGAIN--the Redskins' original owner?

George Wallace, a notorious racist...

You do not get the benefit of the doubt when your owner could quite possibly make Donald Sterling look sensitive by comparison.
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
18 Jun 14 UTC
*GEORGE PRESTON MARSHALL, lol, sorry...

NOT George Wallace...

Got my Angry White Southern Racists mixed up there for a second! ;)
The Czech (41806 D(S))
18 Jun 14 UTC
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I can't believe that in the land of tolerance there is no place for the racists/bigots or misinformed. If we are so anti-bigoted that we refuse to recogonize anyone else's right to be different then we have become them. No better, but surely worse for the racist/bigot does not try and change us; he only states what he is. But we, the enlightened must force him to change. Bullying of the bully is still bullying. If you truly believe that a team who wears a native American symbol and uses a term that may be offensive to you is somehow connected to your existence or controlling your destiny as a human being then you are a very sad person and have my sympathy.
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
18 Jun 14 UTC
1. Who said anything about controlling destiny?

2. So...we shouldn't penalize or even look down upon racism, then?

3. "Bullying of the bully is still bullying" Fuck it, I'll go full-Godwin here--

So we were wrong to bully that mean old bully Adolf?

Really?

By that logic, Czech, we should all just turn the other cheek whenever we OR any innocents are bullied, because bullying said bully would be, um, bullying, and therefore bad, even if A. the bully started it B. the bully deserved it and C. Innocent people are hurt by that bully you refuse to bully?

Well, that's just bully!
mapleleaf (0 DX)
18 Jun 14 UTC
I'll weigh in here.

Why was it necessary for ANYBODY to give a shit that slimy money grubbing Jews were being issued their justifiable correction by Nazi Germany?

F.D.R., your last decent POTUS, obviously felt the same.

What was the Jew reaction to that?

Did they give a Fuck that REAL HUMAN BEINGS would die in battle to rescue a bunch of clannish money grubbers? Did they attempt FINANCIAL extortion to bring this about?

Look at Apartheid Isreal and the Palestinian Holocaust, if you want to talk about fucking American international obligation, you IGNORANT kike.
Draugnar (0 DX)
18 Jun 14 UTC
I'm going to lay this out simply. The land of the free means the *government* has to tolerate the "bullies", not individuals or other groups. Ibly the *government*. We are free from an oppressive *government* telling us what we cannot do and what we must do in certain situations. They can still order us to pay taxes and such, but the government can't tell us to go to church at decide that the church we are going to is wrong and prohibit it.

But the people of this land can tell any old asshole any time to go fuck themselves and should stand up for the bullied by putting the bullies in their place. That's not *government* passing a law; that's self moderation.
mapleleaf (0 DX)
18 Jun 14 UTC
Innocents my ass.

What a pompous moron you are, obi-kike.
The Czech (41806 D(S))
18 Jun 14 UTC
@obi. There is a difference between words and actions. If placing a name on a team equates to Nazism in your logical mind then once again, you have my sympathy.
ssorenn (0 DX)
18 Jun 14 UTC
Maplebitch, people like you should be eradicated from the earth.
bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
18 Jun 14 UTC
Should I express sympathy for mapleleaf since the exorcism failed?
bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
18 Jun 14 UTC
Oh by the way .. http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/breaking/chi-washington-redskins-trademark-cancelled-20140618,0,1927895.story
ckroberts (3548 D)
18 Jun 14 UTC
bo I was just coming here to post that (about the trademark, not sympathy for mapleleaf).

Here's my #hotake: People in the Redskins organization are ecstatic about this. I wouldn't be surprised if they intentionally screwed things up to make it easier. Snyder and the other guys at the very top are idiots and might fight this for real. The smart move would be to use the time cost of the appeals process to roll out a new mascot, which in an organization as large and profitable as the NFL must take months.
bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
18 Jun 14 UTC
Yeah, well, the government and the NFL can do whatever they want. It doesn't change our history with the various native peoples of the continent nor does it do anything to assist the problems that people face on the reservations. In fact, I'd argue that it deflects attention away from them. They either need to come to a resolution on the name thing quickly and focus on helping the most deprived group in the country or just drop the charade and let the NFL figure it out.
Draugnar (0 DX)
18 Jun 14 UTC
It's really pretty easy to handle. Find a local tribe, talk to the elders, and rename the team after the tribe. The mascot could probably remain the same.
ckroberts (3548 D)
18 Jun 14 UTC
Draug, that is a good idea. Put some amount of money from sales toward tribal schools etc, and boom, Washington Powhatan (or whatever). But I don't think most Indians look like the Redskins logo Indian, plus you'd have to change so much with the name anyway that you'd want a new mascot.
Draugnar (0 DX)
18 Jun 14 UTC
True, but it could be a tribe approved variation on the mascot. Has PR bonus and keeps the theme going strong.
ckroberts (3548 D)
18 Jun 14 UTC
I think I'd copy what the competent colleges do. FSU has the permission of the Seminole tribe, and I think they don't even allow people to use the word "mascot" to describe Osceola. Utah is the Utes but they have a hawk as their symbol, so Washington could go with something relevant to the tribe or location (there's already an NFL panther, maybe a wolf? Did the Powhatan care anything about wolves?).
ckroberts (3548 D)
18 Jun 14 UTC
But they might not do that, because everyone in charge of the NFL is money-grubbing to an extent normal people couldn't understand, and Snyder in particular is a money-grubbing idiot who is proof against the concept of the United States as a meritocracy. Snyder will insist they fight to the Supreme Court, and they'll end up changing names to the Bulldogs or something equally generic.
http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Cleveland_Caucasians


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NigeeBaby (100 D(G))
17 Jun 14 UTC
This will confuse the Tea party .... Iran is the new best friend of The Pres
http://www.usatoday.com/story/theoval/2014/06/16/obama-john-kerry-iraq-iran-yahoo-news/10571785/

As Ronald McDonald would say ..."I'm lovin' it"
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Maniac (189 D(B))
18 Jun 14 UTC
Replacement needed
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=142466

Good position
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chass (1540 D)
15 Jun 14 UTC
An Endless Blue Star. In it a star...
I'm calling the serious and relatively experienced players, who are active here enough to be able to make a move in each half of the day, who are accountable enough to finish the game they had started and who don't like meta-gaming and multi-playing - to join the game on the link in the next message.
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kestasjk (99 DMod(P))
16 Jun 14 UTC
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Team changeover
FYI to help things tick along better we're changing up the team structure a bit, details within
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bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
17 Jun 14 UTC
20 Years Ago Today...
...OJ Simpson broke numerous NFL records with the longest run from scrimmage in NFL history, a record that will likely never be broken.

An interesting take 20 years later - http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/2014/06/16/oj-simpson-ford-bronco-al-cowlings-20th-anniversary-nicole-brown-simpson/10617877/
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bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
17 Jun 14 UTC
Game Pickup
If you're looking for some extra games, there's lots of good games needing to be taken over right now. gameID=142371 is a solo opportunity with some maneuvering. I just picked up three myself, but there are lots more.
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ssorenn (0 DX)
17 Jun 14 UTC
Notices,IE:PMs and such
I have noticed that at a certain point, you can no longer go back to older PMs and things that were sent to you. Can you go back and find these, or are they deleted? If you can go back, can someone tell me how to do that?
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bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
17 Jun 14 UTC
Whose Line Is It Anyway
Anyone remember this show? It is treasure. I hope future generations use this show as a way of teaching our part of the history of pop culture...
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krellin (80 DX)
16 Jun 14 UTC
"Mission Accomplished'...err..I mean "On the Run"
Remember when Awesome Obama told us, like 32 different time that al Queda was “decimated” and “on the run”. I guess he was a fortune teller and foresaw their current mad dash to Baghdad… (And you thought Bush's "Mission Accomplished" was so naughty...tsk tsk...)

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/obama-touts-al-qaeda-s-demise-32-times-benghazi-attack-0
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ReturnoftheKing (0 DX)
16 Jun 14 UTC
A good friend of mine's mom diagnosed with lung cancer,
total medical bill came up to 80k, and he's trying to raise that along with trying to pay off his already expensive college tuition. Anything helps, even if you just pass it along to other friends to spread the word, or keep him and his family in your thoughts and prayers, it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks

http://www.gofundme.com/a0r3uw
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SYnapse (0 DX)
16 Jun 14 UTC
Well the day has finally come
What will we do without our Alexander, our Tito, our Lenin? So long, webDip republic...
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Alpha@Omega (183 D)
15 Jun 14 UTC
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Happy Father's Day!
Happy Father's Day to all the dads out there. Here's hoping you get some time to enjoy it before the kids start asking for money...or rides...or to borrow the car. Or anything else that we are usually only good for.
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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
16 Jun 14 UTC
Republicans Filibuster Bill to Ease Student Loan Debt--Thanks, Krellin!
http://www.nwprogressive.org/weblog/2014/06/republicans-predictably-filibuster-elizabeth-warrens-bill-to-ease-student-loan-debt.html Thank you, krellin, for supporting this Party of the People...because as a country that's now seeing unprecedented amounts of student debt crushing students and parents ALIKE, aid was the LAST thing we needed! The Republican Party--they sure know how to Just Say No (except when it comes to protecting a women's right to say that, of course.)
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krellin (80 DX)
16 Jun 14 UTC
RIP Casey Kasem
He'll be missed by those that remember his voice telling us what was hot.

Not surprisingly, on his death bed he was heard to mutter, "Hey Dippers and Dippettes, topping this weeks top 10 that long-loved and oft-hated forum fav...krellin....<cough...gurrgle.....arrrrgghhhhh.....>" And so a legend ended. Love Live Casey Kasem.
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steephie22 (182 D(S))
15 Jun 14 UTC
Bit more French, really short this time:
Je suis très intéressé de l’article parce que je sais que beaucoup de jeunes peuvent devenir aggressifs et violents (...)
Or:
Je suis très intéressé de l’article parce que je sais que beaucoup de jeunes peuvent devenir aggressif et violent (...)
So aggressifs et violents or aggressif et violent? I normally know this but I forgot since I've managed to be ill every time I had French for quite a while...
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Shirley (0 DX)
16 Jun 14 UTC
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http://puu.sh/9vALu
I don't hate Lebron or anything, but I did find this pretty funny XD
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tvrocks (388 D)
15 Jun 14 UTC
need replacement
gameID=143161 7 sc russia with eight being the biggest. good position, please join.
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krellin (80 DX)
14 Jun 14 UTC
Bin Laden
....was never killed. He's bunk mates with Obama....

That's why we never saw the body.
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bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
14 Jun 14 UTC
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Stanley Cup
Dear LA Kings:
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krellin (80 DX)
15 Jun 14 UTC
Toshi Station
....really doesn't have the best power converters.

Just sayin'
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krellin (80 DX)
14 Jun 14 UTC
"Assclown" is Not Defamation
The courts say so, so when I call you an assclown, seriously, it's legit.

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/06/prenda-lawyers-who-sued-over-assclown-taunt-must-pay-12k-in-fees/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+arstechnica%2Findex+%28Ars+Technica+-+All+content%29
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Chaqa (3971 D(B))
14 Jun 14 UTC
A truly epic game
I may only feel this way because I won, but all the players in the game agreed it was one of the best.

gameID=143352
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ssorenn (0 DX)
14 Jun 14 UTC
Any Rube Goldberg fans?
I just had the commissioned for me kid. Thoughts?

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EQmaTi6A5zU
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bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
12 Jun 14 UTC
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Tesla Opens Their Patents
http://www.teslamotors.com/blog/all-our-patent-are-belong-you
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rojimy1123 (597 D)
14 Jun 14 UTC
I suck at gunboat
So why do I insist on playing it?
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SplitDiplomat (101466 D)
12 Jun 14 UTC
Gooaaaaaaaaaaaal!!!!!!
Obrigado Marcelo!
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krellin (80 DX)
14 Jun 14 UTC
Pre-Dinner Video
http://io9.com/this-monstrosity-was-pulled-out-of-someones-salivary-du-1590932446

Jump to about 9:00, with the money shot at just after 11:00. Oh yummy...
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