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krellin (80 DX)
08 Dec 13 UTC
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MSU Spartans - Big Ten Champs!
Michigan State - Big Ten Champs!

Suck on THAT Ohio State Suckeyes! (Though - kudos of Braxton Miller - he deserves the Heisman)
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MeowdolfKittler (100 D)
07 Dec 13 UTC
Battlefield 4VS COD Ghosts
Which one is better and which one is worse
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zultar (4180 DMod(P))
06 Dec 13 UTC
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Please help
I was wondering if you folks can help me do a good deed.
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bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
05 Dec 13 UTC
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RIP Nelson Mandela
Yes, it's seemingly old news, we've all known it's coming, but there's no reason we shouldn't offer a little respect to, literally, one of the greatest and most respected figures in human history. Tough to swallow.
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Putin33 (111 D)
06 Dec 13 UTC
Supreme Court to rule on software patents
Could software patents be abolished?

http://www.scotusblog.com/2013/12/court-to-rule-on-patent-rights/
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mendax (321 D)
27 Nov 13 UTC
Webdip F2F UK
There's been some interest in the other F2F topic of setting up a UK meet as well, probably in Bristol. Who's interested?
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2ndWhiteLine (2611 D(B))
05 Dec 13 UTC
War on Christmas
How have YOU been persecuted this year?
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Jkeil (0 DX)
06 Dec 13 UTC
Is this a game error?
I'm playing a game with some friends, and the last turn's orders ended up very strange. I don't believe that everyone missed turns, but there are almost no orders showing on the map. And even if everyone had missed their turn, there is no explanation for the army in kiel being dislodged. Please take a look: http://www.webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=128965
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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
06 Dec 13 UTC
Poor Casting Choices and Underwood Sings--NOT a Few of My Favorite Things!
So...Carrie Underwood doing "The Sound of Music." Kids that were stiffer than cardboard as the Von Trapp family. A black nun in Nazi Austria (I'm all for color-blind casting, but...was there no other role for her, a black nun in Nazi Austria just on the verge of WWII just seems an indication the production team didn't care one bit about the setting) and so on...this was a thing that happened. Thoughts on Carrie Underwood's "The Sound of Music" remake?
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
06 Dec 13 UTC
Underwood's singing and acting?
She's typical Underwood here...and frankly I find her a very dull singer, she either sounds too polished, too sterile or too much like she's trying desperately to be neither...I don't even think she's a good replacement for Faith Hill for the Sunday Night Football theme...so her replacing JULIE ANDREWS? It's like Ethan Hawke as Hamlet instead of Olivier or Branagh--namely, dull from a musical standpoint, not at all as rich vocally as Andrews, and from an acting standpoint, that may well have been one of the worst major network performances in a leading role I've EVER seen...EVER.

One other thing--why remake "The Sound of Music" at all?

I mean, a remake is so rarely even worthy of the original, let alone as good or even better...about the only thing that I can think of that I'd EVER want to see remade are adaptations of Shakespeare and Dickens and Austen and so on...

But even THEN it's so often just a polished disaster, or just not up to snuff with a previous version.

Consider we had to wait almost 50 years, until 1996, before we had a Western screen Hamlet that was even REMOTELY worth talking about as being comparable or better than Olivier in his defining, Oscar-winning 1948 adaptation...

The 1970s BBC version with Derek Jacobi and Patrick Stewart is good, but not as legendary, and unless you're a Shakespeare person or were of the age where Jacobi's TV Hamlet was "your Hamlet" the way your first Bond or first Doctor is "yours," really, chances are you haven't seen this version and it didn't leave nearly the impression on the larger artistic, theatrical and cinematic world that Olivier's did.

Mel Gibson took a swipe at it in the early 1990s, and...sucked. Hard. And this was a version set in a period-appropriate caste with Helena Bonham Carter as Ophelia and Glenn Close as Gertrude as well as the legendary Franco Zeffirelli directing...Gibson's Hamlet is largely remembered as a joke today (though the film as a whole without him is well made and acted, it really is Gibson that's the weak link...it's just a shame he's the star...or was ever involved in any Shakespeare work ever.)

And for Branagh to even BEGIN to measure up to Olivier's legacy he had to act and direct and shoot at a real palace (Blenheim) with a cast of Julie Christie, Derek Jacobi, Kate Winslet, Brian Blessed, Charlton Heston, Judi Dench, Billy Crystal, Robin Williams (neither of whom make a mockery of things, as you might think) and other stars, all while shooting the most expansive version of the play, an UNCUT version of the entire text of the play, and to cap it all off, it has a Placido Domingo aria at the end.

Suffice it to say...NBC did NOT put that kind of effort or starpower into this. At all.

It's a classic...why remake it if you can't remake it better?

Hell, I didn't think the Tim Burton Willy Wonka was better, but it was at least tonally and thematically different from the Gene Wilder version...closer to the book in some ways and yet oddly it "feels" less like the Willy Wonka we know and love, and it bombed, but at least it tried to remake a classic film in a new way.

The new Star Trek films are hit-and-miss here--they've cast the roles well enough, and since a lot of fun in Trek just comes from the characters, that's been a huge plus and probably a saving grace given that both movies, while fun, are action-heavy and have definite flaws and holes...and in some ways don't feel too original at that...but at least if they were action retreads they were FUN (for the 87% or so who liked the films according to Rotten Tomatoes, including me) if definitely, definitely flawed.

That wasn't even done tongue-in-cheek or flashier or with a really knockout vocal performance--adequate at best and I'd argue not even that, not for this role--and even for a "live" version...it was just lacking in any kind of pacing or energy.

So...yeah. So long, farewell...
krellin (80 DX)
06 Dec 13 UTC
Underwood - a blunt instrument compared to the grace of Andrews. Kids were horrifying...I lasted about 10 minutes before I moved on to basket weaving on PBS...
2ndWhiteLine (2611 D(B))
06 Dec 13 UTC
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Awful production. This is what happens when you have singers trying to act, instead of actors who can sing. I lost count of the different goofy lederhosen outfits that Underwood wore, and only about half the kids could sing. It also sounded like NBC was filming inside an aircraft hangar with the constant buzzing in the background.
Draugnar (0 DX)
06 Dec 13 UTC
I saw the "making of" on Thanksgiving - more or less behind the scenes footage of rehearsals and what not and they kept saying "Oh my God! We have to do this live!" Hello! High schoolers have been doing that musical "live" on stage for decades. It was a stage musical long before it was put on film. So you had a few million for sets and costumes. That should just make it easier. When we did it, my sophomore year, we had to build the sets *ourselves* and that included actors and musicians as well as stage hands and set people.

Whiney ass bunch of Hollywood brats...
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
07 Dec 13 UTC
"This is what happens when you have singers trying to act, instead of actors who can sing."

Hit the nail on the head--Julie Andrews could do both exceedingly well.

And to cross over into other Andrews' productions...

There were far better pure singers in their time than Dick Van Dyke or Rex Harrison...but both were great actors with great STAGE voices, they could act their parts perfectly and their singing was good to great, but it always complemented the fine acting job at the foundation of their performance.

And that's why you can't imagine anyone else as Bert or Henry Higgins...but I can sure imagine ANYONE ELSE as those characters besides the cast NBC threw out there.
Draugnar (0 DX)
07 Dec 13 UTC
It should have been Disney did it with some of their young actors who can actually act and almost hold a tune.
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
07 Dec 13 UTC
I half agree with you--

"The Sound of Music" is definitely a production primed for Disney...but Disney actors/"stars"...these are the people who produced Selena Gomez, Hillary Duff (who seemed like an OK person, if a meh actress, but does anyone even remember her?) and, lest we forget, Miley "My Dad is Billy Rae and Here's My Flat Ass!" Cyrus.

I have zero confidence in Disney's acting pipeline...they're like a baseball team that keeps churning out busted prospects, one after another.

That being said, if they could've hired some worthwhile actress for the lead roles (I think I read the von Trapp family thought Anne Hathaway would be better, and I agree with them, I could see her pulling that off after her outing as Fantine) and then maybe put their Disney starlets in supporting roles...that could've worked.
Draugnar (0 DX)
07 Dec 13 UTC
That is actually what I meant. Lull the mods from the current younger crop of Disney stars. And there are a few former Disney stars who can sing and act (Christina Aguilara for instance).
Draugnar (0 DX)
07 Dec 13 UTC
Pull the kids. Talk about odd autocorrects.


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ccga4 (1831 D(B))
07 Dec 13 UTC
giving players their points back.. a bad idea?
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/36/pb75.jpg/

I have never run into this problem before, but this is very frustrating. Giving players under 100 D their points back, puts an unfair twist in the game. In the game i played with this player, we almost had a draw forced against one larger power, and he decided to attack me.
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2ndWhiteLine (2611 D(B))
06 Dec 13 UTC
World Cup Draw
Starting now!
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krellin (80 DX)
06 Dec 13 UTC
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Obama Hates Eagles
Spread a little DDT and your an evil bastard. But Obama LOVES to kill him some Bald Eagles...

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/12/05/Obama-to-Sign-Rule-Allowing-Death-of-Eagles
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Andrew Wiggin (157 D)
06 Dec 13 UTC
Nooby question.
Unit A supports Unit B who is supporting unit C.
If Unit B gets support attacked will the support to Unit C be cut?
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bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
06 Dec 13 UTC
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Unarmed Man Charged for Stray Gunfire
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/05/nyregion/unarmed-man-is-charged-with-wounding-bystanders-shot-by-police-near-times-square.html?_r=0

I read this article three times over and can't understand how police shooting bystanders is now the fault of the guy they are shooting at....
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SYnapse (0 DX)
05 Dec 13 UTC
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Trollo Gospel
Just waking up in the morning, gotta drink beer
I don't know but today seems kinda wierd
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bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
06 Dec 13 UTC
Birthday Present
If anyone wants to buy me this for my birthday, let me know. I'll love you five-ever. (Get it.. forever... four-ever... five..... yeah, okay...........)

http://auction.mlb.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce3/ProductDisplay?aunbr=19684808&partnerId=as_mlb_20131206_15329114&prmenbr=33072944&prrfnbr=19684808
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SYnapse (0 DX)
06 Dec 13 UTC
Mandela - Hero. Kony - Terrorist.
Discuss, I'm not in favour of one or the other.
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SantaClausowitz (360 D)
20 Nov 13 UTC
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"I work for a living"
Why does your middle-class job make you some kind of badass?
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orathaic (1009 D(B))
04 Dec 13 UTC
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Socialism in America?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPKKQnijnsM

combined with money is speech/corporations are people, and unlimited funding of political parties, I suppose this helps demonstrate why 80-90% of the people do not have the voting power to change things...
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Thegatso (234 D(B))
05 Dec 13 UTC
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I FINALLY DID IT LMAO
http://puu.sh/5Dkeq.png

LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL AM I GOOD AT DIPLOMACAY NOW?
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TheNotoriousAMP (100 D)
05 Dec 13 UTC
Rules Question
Okay, so there is an enemy unit in a province. If two of my units are both ordered to move into the province, is that unit dislodged and do my units then bounce off of each other?
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MeowdolfKittler (100 D)
05 Dec 13 UTC
How do i quit a game
How do i quit a game?
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diplomate44 (0 DX)
05 Dec 13 UTC
How to kick away games i ve been defeated
Hello, just want to know how to make the game ive been defeated dissapered from my home page, if there is a way of course! Thanks
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virtuslex (483 D(S))
05 Dec 13 UTC
Site Strategy Differences
Sociological observations from a nonsociologist.
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President Eden (2750 D)
05 Dec 13 UTC
Humanity's a lot, lot, lot older than you think!
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/05/science/at-400000-years-oldest-human-dna-yet-found-raises-new-mysteries.html?
4x as old per the New York Times. That might not be wholly accurate, but regardless, 400,000 is much older than any fossil to date. Thoughts?
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Al Swearengen (0 DX)
05 Dec 13 UTC
Four Reasons We Need to Start Making Fun of Terrorists
http://www.cracked.com/blog/4-reasons-we-need-to-start-making-fun-terrorists/
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Maniac (189 D(B))
03 Dec 13 UTC
Pisa tests
I know you will all get the first part of this question right but you need to guess the second part...(no cheating)
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ILN (100 D)
05 Dec 13 UTC
explains a lot....
http://www.cracked.com/article_19889_6-insane-things-science-can-predict-about-you-at-infancy_p2.html?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=fanpage&utm_campaign=new+article&wa_ibsrc=fanpage

lol
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grking (100 D)
05 Dec 13 UTC
Eunuch Campaigns in India
Found this rather interesting, I really didn't know there were that many Eunuchs any more.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/04/world/asia/a-eunuch-in-india-campaigns-as-a-political-none-of-the-above.html
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kalbim (100 D)
05 Dec 13 UTC
Afterthoughts of game "Invade Poseidon"
Any thoughts on how the game went?

gameID=129826
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