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bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
05 Mar 15 UTC
Today is a Sentence
March 4th, webDippers.
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Nescio (1059 D)
10 Feb 15 UTC
Corrected Diplomacy 1900 variant
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/54160351/Diplomacy/Diplomacy1900.pdf

Feel free to comment; feedback is appreciated :)
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arborinius (173 D)
14 Mar 15 UTC
Replacement Italy needed
gameID=155655 this is a really crucial EOG situation, could someone please replace Italy?
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Tolstoy (1962 D)
13 Mar 15 UTC
Accused Rapist Found Dead, Authorities Frame Would-Have-Been Rape Victim for Murder
https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/03/12/murderinvegas/

How a 100-pound 18-year old female could leave semen in the rectum of a man she beats, strangles, and slits the throat of from hundreds of miles away while leaving no evidence to tie her to the crime is something someone really needs to explain to me.
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CommanderByron (801 D(S))
13 Mar 15 UTC
WT
Why has the WT grown so popular in recent weeks it seems to be the trend and my curiosity is why? Also like all good trends they give way when people start to exploit the weaknesses, what are the WT's weaknesses and how can they be exploited. examples are encouraged.
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abgemacht (1076 D(G))
12 Mar 15 UTC
Oct 2015 GR Challenge Game 2 EOG
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goldfinger0303 (3157 DMod)
14 Mar 15 UTC
You should all watch this
The future is here. Gotta watch it in Chrome or on an Andriod device though. I thought it was coolest when I watched it on my phone.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClAuhgFQpLo&index=2&list=PL_CImNeC1qFk2-0dNZzmbno_sy2fNGvhJ
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notchubbs11 (100 D)
14 Mar 15 UTC
anyone interested in a live game right now?
either 5 or 10 minute turns?
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Valis2501 (2850 D(G))
24 Feb 15 UTC
Mission Accomplished
All the monsters have been destroyed.
gameID=153283
EOGs below pls
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ejb0527 (967 D)
13 Mar 15 UTC
Liveeeeee game
anyone down for some ancient Mediterranean around 645? join FRIDAY NIGHT LIGHTS
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ssorenn (0 DX)
13 Mar 15 UTC
FTF, all the rage!!!
As I now have played a few games with Jimthegrey and the Chicago Weasels, I find the games to be very tiring, and loss of concentration becomes an issue for me. I have proposed to that group to try to play a live FTF game, using WebDip as the platform. So no board required and everyone needs their tablet or phone and access to Internet.

Has anyone done this before?
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CommanderByron (801 D(S))
11 Mar 15 UTC
Global Expieriement
I want to try to do a Wold Diplomacy board with global only. I have it set for 2 day phases to give time for 17 players to talk in the global chat. Personally I think it will be like giant GB but with sporadic bouts of diplomacy and negotiation. Anyone else want in?
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eliwhitney (107 D(G))
13 Mar 15 UTC
Private messages
How do you find your old PM's received?
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Kahn of Conquers (100 D)
13 Mar 15 UTC
Username
Can anyone tell me if we can and how you can change your username?
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abgemacht (1076 D(G))
06 Mar 15 UTC
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@webdiplomacy is no longer in Civil Disorder!
#fuckthucy
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Bronco29 (40 DX)
12 Mar 15 UTC
What Music do webDippers listen to?
I find the type of music people listen to is really interesting and a great way to spark up some good conversation and can actually tell you a lot about the person. Anybody want to list their favorite genres and some of their favorite bands, go for it!
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rkane (463 D)
11 Mar 15 UTC
I'm back after a three year absence
Did I miss anything?
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KingCyrus (511 D)
12 Mar 15 UTC
Is Gallantry Bad?
Discuss.
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Jamiet99uk (873 D)
12 Mar 15 UTC
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R.I.P. Terry Pratchett
Fantasy author Terry Pratchett has died today. I'm sure many of us have enjoyed his books. In particular I think "Night Watch", one of the later Discworld novels, is a very good work indeed. RIP Terry.
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Sandman99 (95 D)
12 Mar 15 UTC
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Does anyone else hate this
When the message board tells you to slow down. So what if I want to post alot, it's my life
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yassem (2533 D)
08 Mar 15 UTC
United European Army?
President of the European Commission Jean-Claude Juncker stated that European Union need to create a unified army to more efficiently manage her military potential in order to be able to defend European values against foreign threats, such as Russia.
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yassem (2533 D)
11 Mar 15 UTC
@CB
The last part really worries me, because for the most part of this discussion I really valued your input. This bit however is really poor and misinformed. Euro has never been an obligatory aspect of being in the union, and apparently it's a great thing. Many analysis suggest that USA shouldn't have a single currency - actually it would be more practical if the east coast had one currency and west coast had another, and what is interesting is that this could include Canada. Even today Euro is a political initiative much more than economical and UK doesn't participate for the exact same reasons I wouldn't want them to participate in unified army - because they hate further integration.
Nevertheless, there are many decisions that the countries doesn't have to say in once it's accepted. An example that comes to mind is CO2 policies - Poland produces most of the energy from coal, there is no way we'll be able to comply with the cuts, nevertheless the policy has been adopted and we cannot do absolutely anything about it now, which means we will pay huge penalties. The same goes for many, many other policies. Note that this wasn't ratified by Polish parliament and nevertheless is a law that we have to accept. The ratification, just as in case of US goes for "bigger stuff", like Treaty of Lisbon etc.
You give an example that a country can withdraw from EU at any time, but if we assume that EU is a state it would be just like gaining independence, which does not deny the assumption.
Note that I do not think EU is a state - of course not. But it has all the traits, it has sovereignty, it has the power of a state, and so it has a power to have an army, and that was the initial argument brought up by Nescio I think, that EU couldn't have an army because it has no sovereignty.
yassem (2533 D)
11 Mar 15 UTC
And the argument you brought up about the diplomatic relations is very interesting, as there are many voices we should head towards a unified European diplomacy. While I personally hated Ashton I have to give her credit for making European diplomacy much more important than it was before.
The problem of doubling the relations (do I talk to EU or UK) is the reason (as well as the possibility of France and England losing it's position in the Security Council) why EU wasn't granted the special status in UN it wanted in 2010 (or 2009?).
CommanderByron (801 D(S))
11 Mar 15 UTC
I mean like i said a unified europe is more stable and efficient than seperate national states, and the EU is well on its way to getting there. I just don't recognize it as a state as of now. Of course I also didn't define Europe's ability to have a unified military as dependent on the EU's statehood. I think a unified European army needs the following:
- Unilateral control of all European military forces. (To maintain unit cohesion and ensure mission completion)
- Mutual defense mandate that promises the definite defense of any member states home or territorial interests (i.e if one of the Netherlands Caribbean holdings was attacked by Cuba or Venezuela then the European armed forces would be required to defend that location)
-Mandatory contribution to the unified military of both forces and funds. (as so no country can inherently benefit without contributing)

benefits of such a force would include (for both europe and the US)
-Stronger more efficient NATO
- Stronger defense not as dependent on the US and Russia
- More dependable mission control with a greater reach and more global power.
- Provide an example for the African Union, and other regional unions to form similar groups which would only help stabilize global politics and work to make war even less likely.
yassem (2533 D)
12 Mar 15 UTC
What I would really love to see though (of course that's more like a century away than a decade) is an army so unified you don't have countries supplying manpower or military equipment but rather armed forces created from scratch, all from the central budget, under a single, European command... That would be effective af and so amazingly cool...
KingCyrus (511 D)
12 Mar 15 UTC
Is this leading to a trend in more and more grouped authority? For instance, will we possibly see a South American League? Or a North American Confederation? Is the inevitable trend of society to become more and more unified?
CommanderByron (801 D(S))
12 Mar 15 UTC
@KC it makes sense as we globalize we also inprove our ability to communicate. thats all you need for effetive governance is effective communication.
KingCyrus (511 D)
12 Mar 15 UTC
I wonder how that would look in a hundred years....
CommanderByron (801 D(S))
12 Mar 15 UTC
I think in 100 years we will see large regional groups and after that maybe in another 200 years a global government.
yassem (2533 D)
12 Mar 15 UTC
In my opinion countries working together is a great trend everywhere - whether it's EU, ASEAN, African Union or even the fucking CIS. First of all, it promotes international cooperation, trust and stability, which is at least a little bit decreasing the risk of future conflicts. Secondly, and this is what I like about EU especially is how it projects it's values on other countries. Look at the Balkans for example, where the potential candidates for couple of years have imposed many policies that at least to some degree normalize the political and economic environment there (still long way to go though - http://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/news-room/content/20150309STO32486/html/Western-Balkans-measuring-progress-towards-European-integration )
Anyway, the "global government" part however is pure fantasy, especially in 200 years in my opinion (just like a unified Europe any time soon). Maaaaaybe as a result of some World War V or something, but I don't think in 200 years we'd be able to tame Russia or China enough to be able to create this level of cooperation.
KingCyrus (511 D)
12 Mar 15 UTC
Well barely 200 hundred years ago, the US wasn't a country, England ruled half the globe, and the other European powers ruled most of the rest....
yassem (2533 D)
12 Mar 15 UTC
Yes, but consider this - the furthest unification has gone on big scale (not considering the United Arab Republic) is Europe. And there is a reason to it. Practically all the political concepts needed for EU has originated in Europe, we have been living with them for centuries if not millennia. Let's be honest, for extremely long time Europe has been incredibly gifted, we had the geography, including flora and fauna that enabled creation of efficient civilizations, we had competing civilizations that competed against each others sparking further development in both technology and political ideas, we had the perfect set of resources that enabled creating armies and fleets needed for conquering almost whole world (there are like 5 countries in the world that Europe has never ruled over or hasn't had in her SOI), and finally we further increased our chances of winning with just the right mixture of germs to kill millions, speeding our expansion in Americas for centuries. In the end we pulled ourselves together, said "enough is enough", gave (reluctantly) independence for most of the colonies, but now expect some tribes in Africa to not only live according to our standards of equality but actually leave in democratic societies (something we cannot even fully enforce in Europe) and we're surprised when they failed to. For the same reasons I think that the only way we would have a unified, global government in the next couple of centuries is only through conquest.
yassem (2533 D)
12 Mar 15 UTC
BTW, don't you guys hate how South Yemen is went north of North Yemen much further than south? It's so fucking annoying, especially given that this destroys my theory that from the eurocentric point of view every "South..." is the "good" state out of the two - South Korea, South Vietnam, South Sudan. I would love to call Taiwan "South China". And what gives about Yemen? I'm angry.
Nescio (1059 D)
12 Mar 15 UTC
yassem, concerning your earlier remarks to me, I'm not sure you really understand what I wrote, or perhaps you need to read more carefully.
I never denied the EU has some characteristics of a state. Nor did I claim the EU will never become a state in the future. However, sharing some characteristics does not make two things equal.
Sovereignty is of fundamental importance. You can use different words or definitions, that doesn't matter. In the end it boils down to what the EU can do, and can't do, and why they can do, or can't do, certain things.

Yes, the EU has some powers, yes, the EU can propose legislation, yes, the EU can issue fines. However, those powers are given to the EU by all member states, voluntarily, not because of demands from the EU. What the EU can do is limited, limited not by their own choice, but limited by the agreements and treaties made by all member states, to which the EU is not a party. The EU can not regulate, nor reorganize itself, nor do anything which is not agreed upon by all member states.

Concerning your example on CO2 emissions, Poland voluntarily joined the EU. When you join a club, you have to accept the rules; you can't cherry-pick only what suits you. Perhaps Poland didn't appreciate the European emissions policy; nevertheless, it fully subscribed it, promised to abide by the rules, and pay the stipulated fines if it failed to do what was agreed upon. Apparently Poland didn't meet the targets, and as a consequence now has to pay fines. Is Poland fined because the EU decided so? No. Is Poland fined because Poland wants that? No. Poland is fined because of an agreement Poland made itself; to be fined is Poland's own decision.
Poland can still refuse to pay the fine. However, if Poland does refuse, Poland risks to get excluded of other EU policies. Taking everything together, the Polish consider the complete EU package, as a whole, including the emission fines, as beneficial. Therefore the national government and parliament of Poland decide to stay in the EU, comply with the rules, and pay the fine.

Another example of the EU's limited powers is the location of the European Parliament. Right now the European Parliament is in Brussels, their Secretariate is located in Luxembourg, and the whole Parliament has to travel to Strassbourg once per month. Many people don't like this. The European Parliament has voted on this several times, and every time the vast majority prefers a single location. A majority of the European Commission is in favour of one location, as are most members of the Council of Europe. Then why is it not changed? Because the EU, nor any of its institutions, does not have the power to decide to change this. All member states decided together that the European Parliament should have these three locations. The European Parliament, and the EU, can only accept and obey. The decision to change this requires the approval of all 28 national parliaments, at least one of them is opposed to it, therefore it doesn't change.
National parliaments, local councils, and individual citizens can decide themselves when and where to meet, talk, and make decisions; the EU can't (nor can NATO, nor the UN); yet you claim the EU has complete sovereignty?

Comparing leaving the EU with declaring independence is nice, but not completely correct. For instance, have a look at Spain. Spain is a member of the UN, the NATO, the EU, the Eurozone, and several other international organizations. Spain can unilaterally quit any of those at any moment Spain chooses to, whether those organizations like it or not. Inside Spain the Galicians, Basques, and Catalonians all want to be independent, or at least claim so. None of them is independent, because the Spanish government refuses to allow that; Spain allows them some limited autonomy, not more than that. They have revolted quite a few times against the Spanish in the past centuries, but in the end they're still part of Spain, and this is unlikely to change, whether they like it or not.
Spain can easily prevent any of its regions gaining independence; the EU can not at all prevent Spain from leaving the Union. Spain clearly has sovereignty here.
Nescio (1059 D)
12 Mar 15 UTC
X3n0n, what do you intend to prove?
Nescio (1059 D)
12 Mar 15 UTC
CommanderByron, large continental or regional states, and ultimately a single global government have been predicted many times before in the past centuries. They never became reality.
A global government in two or three hundred years, as you suggested, is wishful thinking at best.


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TheMinisterOfWar (553 D)
16 Jan 15 UTC
Poor Man's GB Series - Ranking and EOGs
Thread for small series of GB games. Rankings and EOGs inside
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CommanderByron (801 D(S))
11 Mar 15 UTC
Question
so a unit can't retreat to the territory that the attacking unit used to hold correct? just makings sure because for some reason my mind is drawing a blank.
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SandgooseXXI (113 D)
12 Mar 15 UTC
GOOGLE+ hangout!
Hey all, want to jump on a google+ chat with meh?
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Eadan (454 D)
12 Mar 15 UTC
Question about convoys
If I am taking an army and moving him along to a new territory two spaces away by using two fleets, are both fleets moves consumed in the process?
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ejb0527 (967 D)
11 Mar 15 UTC
New live game
Welcome to the first five!!!
gameID=156729
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2ndWhiteLine (2611 D(B))
11 Mar 15 UTC
Jeremy Clarkson
Nitwit, genius, entertaining, or a bit of all three?
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pjmansfield99 (100 D)
11 Mar 15 UTC
Cheap Gunboat Series...
The return of...
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ckroberts (3548 D)
09 Mar 15 UTC
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Idea for new series
I have an idea for a new game series, and I would appreciate some input.
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ILN (100 D)
09 Mar 15 UTC
Question
Do any of you still remember the 'chat' website used for spectators/GM during the mafia games? I'd really like to know :)
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