You just fundamentally misunderstand the purpose of the military. Yes, "to protect"...by killing people and breaking things. Without that #1 primary function there is no use to teh military. and the General's function is specifically to direct his people to kill people and break things.

His function is NOT to invovle himself with social policy. In fact, generally speaking a general is prohibit from and get's fired when they involve themselves in social policy and politics....thus making it obviopus he was acting as Obama's bitch boy in making this call so that he wouldn't get fired.

I'm not trolling...I'm offering a larger view of the situation than the narrow minded view often taken in many discussions. (Yes, by me, too..)

This is not an isolated incident...it is an *unprecedented* incident...to have a General call a civilian. It ought to scare the hell out of you if you love freedom. do you *really* want the military calling you every time you post something potentially offensive to Islam on youtube? Because *most* shit on youtube would offend a true believer…

^To me, what krellin just said makes perfect sense and I thought it was a very broadly shared view of the world, I'm surprised that this development doesn't scare the hell out of us.

I have to say I don't mind the government calling someone when they are planning a protest outside my former high school next to the mosque, potentially placing my friends and other students in danger should the protest turn violent. It is one thing to protest a religion, it is completely different to burn a book outside a high school populated by a 50% Muslim population of teenagers to deliberately target the people of that religion most likely to have a violent and rash response. Deliberately provoking the children of a religion like that is sickening, and the reason he was forced to cancel the protest I mentioned. So if you're question is, do I mind having the government interfering to protect students of a religion from being harassed then the answer would be a resounding no.

I wonder who redhouse means when he says "us".

jmo - you can nto protest outside a school / mosque without a permit. therefore, thee is no need for a phone call from THE MILITARY...

Keep your facts straight.

government? You say government jmo? We're discussing about whether or not the military should do this, not about whether or not the government should do this.

It was scheduled for an area of public land in between the two where protests are legal, it was cancelled by the city for targeting children and public endangerment, etc. Until this affects your community and you have any idea what you're talking about I suggest you keep your facts straight.

The MILITARY was not involved, moron. Keep your facts straight. The MILITARY is specifically porhibit in general from being used agains the civilian population. KEEP YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT.

The MILITARY did not call anyone. Your anaolgy is bullshit, moron.

^Who is he talking to? What analogy? Has krellin finally gone off the deep end?

You anaolgy that "the government calling/cancelling a protest" is somehow equivalent to a General in the military calling a civilian about free speech activity on youtube...

You apparently need a dictionary as well as...well, a course in history, and understanding of basic logical constructs, probably a refresher...no scratch that...first course on the Constitutional an American freedom...

Ugh...you are hopeless...

And zmaj - that goes to you and your bud jmo.

Hehehe... he wrote "anaolgy" both times... I need a dictionary, do I?

Let me say this very simply Krellin, the person I am talking about is the same person you are, reverend Jones. Whether it is the local government or someone in the military reporting to the head of the federal government I am perfectly okay with them interfering in anything that endangers American lives. There is no "anaolgy" or an analogy either, it is the same person. Jones is endangering people all over, he was stopped from protesting outside schools in the most heavily Muslim area in the US so he moved onto other methods to get a violent reaction from members of the muslin community in order to justify his bigoted hatred. If you don't think deliberately goading people to violence is wrong and something that should be stopped then I consider you hopeless.

jmo - jackass - he also came to my town, into the heart of an Arab community and tried to hold a peaceful protest...which WAS peaceful. Is he a jackass? Of course...but he's also an American, in a country where you have the right to be a jackass.

and again...you CONSISTENTLY and PURPOSELY fail to address the SPECIFIC point: Local government, versus MILITARY involvement in civilian life. One is by design, one is un-Constitutional.

You also fail to address why ALL the offensive things to Islam are allowed in this country, from the music and movies we ship all over the world, etc. You are telling me that is is OK for behavior IN THIS COUNTRY to be suppressed because of violence in another part of the world? You're a moron, and have no idea what national sovereignty is, or freedom. Radical Islam doesn't *suddenly* hate us because of Jones, you jackass! So if you fear Islam, there is a whole lot of shit in this country you better start oppressing! Get a clue!

jmo - by your logic.....really by your quivering fear....any jackass in the world can simply kill an American overseas, make a demand, and we should capitulate? lol Explain exactly how your system works without the US being deprived of *everything*? Basically, you want to concede to the bully....which will NEVER appease the bully, but only strenthen the bully! Pretty basic aspect of human nature.

I suppose the problem is you don't see Jones as a bully, and completely ignored my points about Jones in american communities, and instead choose to interpret my words incorrectly to help your argument. I'm also curious what prevents you from having a civil conversation online since I assume you aren't this much of an idiot in real life. You have no idea what equality is, you are condemning me for my views when all I am trying to do is explain the point of view opposite yours. Do you understand posts like the ones you made just now are the reason no one respects you on this site? Even when you make valid points you come off as a disrespectful fool.

I always thought the purpose of our military was to make sure we get the oil. did I miss something?

jmo....is does not MATTER if Jones is a bully. In a FREE COUNTRY you are allowed to be a bully. Because we embrace FREE IDEAS from anyone. You know....woman can vote (NOT allowed in your Islamic paradise...)....BLACKS can vote and hold office....OMG....IS OBAMA BLACK!??!?!?!? And People can hate on the idea....and the overwhelming majority votes the down, because we are an educated, free people..

YOU want this educaed free people to subjugate their freedom to not a global idea....but yo uwant them to cower and fear a fucking radilcal minority of humanity...and think that a bunch of asholes with guns and bombs should dictate behavior.

YOU area jackass. You do not live in relaiy, becauise we are ALL surounded, in WHATEVER country we live in, by criminals that want to abuse you....
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But you are too stupid to grasp that.

jmo --- READ THE FUCKING CONSTITUTION AND THEN TELL ME WHY JONES DOES NOT HAVE A RIGHT TO SPEAK. WHEN YOU MAKE A ***LOGICAL*** ARGUMENT I MIGHT ADDRESS YOU SPECIFICALLY....BUT SINCE YOU IGNORE REALITY, THERE IS NO USE IN TALKING TO YOU, BECAUSE YO ARE A MORON.

If noone respects me for speaking truth,...because I have no respect for idiot s like you that live life in a fucking Utopian dream....than GOOD FOR ME. YOU are a moron, and your Utopian dream DOES NOT EXIST or you would point it out to me.....JACKASS!!

Come up with a REAL argument, asshole.,

Watch out: Krellin just played the trump card. "read the constitution."

Hitting the bottle a little hard there krellin...read your last two posts and if you see nothing wrong you may want to sober up a bit.

hey krellin

no one gives a shit stop posting

Seriously, how can someone think that generals placing calls at citizens' homes is even remotely acceptable? Firstly, the state is not here to boss you around and tell you how to "constructively" exert your civil rights when you are moving within the boundaries of law (especially in the USA). Secondly, various roles of the state are handled by its various bodies. Just like judges shouldn't track down criminals and policemen shouldn't conduct warfare, generals shouldn't interact with civilians in a totally unmilitary setting. This is especially valid in cases of bodies with access to the state monopoly on violence, where the power differential is all the more unsettling. A "concerned" phone call from a public official is somewhat less intimidating than a call from the army or, you know, KG-err FBI. The fact that those organizations are directly unaccountable to the public would hint that they are probably supposed to stick to their own business and not influence the public space.

Would it be that difficult to issue a public statement asking the citizens to not behave like dicks in a controversial issue? Like when there is a risk of a blizzard and the people are advised to stay at home? Is it necessary to knock at their front door and tell them to stay the fuck at home in person?

Also, Jones' douchebagery is only a proxy reason for the uproar. Just like the riots over the Jyllands-Posten caricatures, they are mostly staged by the usual suspects who gladly exploit the short temper of fanatic mobs to further their own agenda. Should the generals be prepared to place calls at everyone from the LGBT community once the "need" to appease the islamic homophobes arises? After all, while we all agree that Jones is a prick, they don't regard him much lower than gays et al. Which is kinda big deal.

It's not ideal that everyone can talk shit about anything with impunity but islam just because muslim elites mastered the ability to efficiently drum up murdering mobs and that attention whoring bigots abuse it to the detriment of the society but that doesn't mean we should throw our laws and procedures out of the window and let random generals place calls at random places.

President Eden is too stupid to actually construct an argument. What an asshole. Nobody loves you PE...get a fucking life.

no one gives a shit stop posting

jmo...As is typical of your ilk....you have no valid argument, so you resort to personal attack.

YES....I have openly admitted to problems with alcohol in the past, and as such have made tremendous strides with my friends and family to openly conquer the problem.

Douchebags like you, who have ZERO intellectual integrity, will now use that admission on a constant basis to try to refute my arguments when you are too stupid to answer my discussion points.

Thus, you are admitting that you are too fucking stupid to actually answer the arguments of a drunk. But, of course, I am not drunk....but you, indeed, ARE thus stupid....

I win. You are a moron.

PE's + 1's state otherwise, krellin :P

You cuss me out, call me a jackass, a douchebag, idiot, moron, fucking stupid, and a quivering coward...and I'm the one personally attacking you by pointing out that your furious raving posts would have given spell check a heart attack?

Krellin, at risk of being a bandwagon jumper, Nobody gives a shit. Stop posting.