wow i cant believe that this game is still going on

The Czar would like to say the russian troops have grown tired of war and are pulling back to restock, message to the Sultan the fleet in the black sea is waiting to move through con to aid you but will wait until the spring as the port will be more accesible then

wow just opening this one thread makes the scrollbar on the right side of my browser shrink to tiny smallness

May I trouble the Germans for a spot of help? Would moving to Tyrolia be an acceptable course of action?

France, are you asking for support into Tyrolia or for The Germans to move into Tyrolia?

Personally we wouldnt mind getting our retribution.

Wow this game has barely progressed... did you pause it or something, guys?

It was paused for several days, as Maica (Germany) was busy with something.

All we ask is for the Germans to move into Tyrolia to disrupt any diabolical planning that may be going on there.

The German army may want to attack other areas along the front as well.

This is what happens when you play Wilson style Thucy, and yes, I had to eat me some turkey! (Thanks for the pause guys)

We shall do what we can to ward off the Austrians, as we fear they are still moving armies near our boarder. We welcome Russia's withdrawl, though realize it is no peace offering on either side, it certainly will help if negotiation come about.

We are shocked by the display of French agression and opportunism. This cannot be tolerated! The Austrian government humbly remembers the foolish invasion of German lands. However, the Sultan has never done anything against France. Therefore we promise Turkey any help they might need.

As for Germany, like we said earlier, there are no agressive intentions on our part. We just want a secure defense of our northern border. Maybe, we can arrange a dela of mutual understanding.

To our friend the Czar, good luck in fending off the Brits - if you need support, do not hesitate to ask.

Any support from my austrian cousin would be much appreciated, fleets from sev are as we speak moving to help are turkish brothers

Since everyone throws around the word 'negotiation' without stepping up to actually offer something, how about I kick things off with suggesting we go with the draw originally envisioned before my allies went off the reservation?

The Kaiser is open to talks of Draw, as he is growing weary of this game. Not much has been accomplished, not that im not happy to still be here, but its 1911 (or close) and nearly 470 messages. I will continue on the current path, but am open to having all survivng members at this point participate in the draw (I dont think elimination of any party is necessary).

To the five remaining Nations of Europe:

We have heard calls for peace by Austria, Germany, and Turkey.

The people of France have too, begun to tire of this long a relatively fruitless war. We have avenged past misdeeds, we ave secured the survival of our Nation and our proud allies.

Several years past we had the grand vision of England Germany and France splitting Europe among ourselves, with France in Constantinople, Germany in Vienna, and England in Moscow. We felt the spirit of our armies would see us through.

But staunch defence has dimmed that glorious prospect, and the reasonable calls for peace from the Sultan and Kaiser have shown a way to end the struggle. Thus, if our allies seek peace, we will also.

England we have no worry's about, but the unstable Czar is another question altogether.

The recent war can be solely blamed on the Czar and the willingness of his complicit allies to support him. If the Czar also agrees to a lasting peace then we will gladly comply.

If however he continues his agressive actions, then we will pursue swift and vigourous war against the Austrians and Turks unless they denounce and attack such a raving madman.

These our are terms. Harsh but just. It is he French way.

Thank you all,


With hope for bright prospects,
Stéphen Pichon,
French Minister of Foreign Affairs

Her Majesty agrees with the French Minister and I have been authorized to accept a draw provided all parties agree. Until the last /draw is typed we will be pursuing retribution on those that have attacked sovereign soil.

Like the English, we will state again that until the draw is processed our plans to defend and seek vengence for our fair nation will continue. We have no insurance that the draw will be processed, and so will continue in oru former plans.

The draw is set in motion. This is - I think - the best solution.

Good game guys. Very entertaining.
Nice characterizations all around.

Let's hear some EOG statements. xD

Thanks for playing, I've enjoyed it - but the Diplomacy, argh!

it was a nightmare any type of agression was pounced on

haha, you needed to be agressive in the right way trim.


Who won eight centres, and was about to win nine?
who?
Was the uber expansionist Russians?
The opportunist Austrians?
The docile Turks?

No, it was the deceitful French :P

Well, to begin with, this is my interpretation of the Game.

In the beginning I wanted a very strong Anglo-German alliance against the french, as I have never done well with france in an alliance. That's why I actively Courted the English for so long. However, they tried to remain aloof. All of the alliance signing is what killed this game, I decided I wanted to see what would happen if I made a "mistake" and if the English would help me out (You guys hit it on the head). That fell through, and only strengthened franco-english relations. Then, i was spared, and the great mutual defense treaty led us through the rest of the game. That's when we decided to let italy die. I wasnt so keen on this later because I could do nothing to get to Italy. then we spent years holding. I was becoming very bored, and the diplomacy aspect of this game was very rigorous because only the person attacked could do any real fighting or else they would be deemed aggressive.

The Eastern nations made their own treaty, Austria invited Russia to come destroy germany. Finally, something interesting! I wasnt sure I would make it, but I was able to get England to come help me out, and eventually took back most of my country. At this point I decided I should take advantage of this oppurtunity and try to keep the war going to that I could gain a little from Russia and Austria. Their defensive positions made it hard to do so, and I was stuck in my germany. It became harder to espouse peace when I was still fighting, so i decided I would convince my allies i had been wronged and deserved real compensation for the attacks on me. (Retribution). The game began to slow again, and nothing substantial had been done. I was always weary of France, as he had the most growing potential throughout most of the game. I was willing to aid England into St.Petersburg so that Russia would lose a unit and I could break into Warsaw and Moscow. At this point Turkey spoke up about ending the game, and it seemed reasonable enough.

Had the Game gone on longer, I would most likely have been the first to go, as england eventually encompassed the land to the north of me, France built a fresh army and was doing well in the south, and I had run out of growing potential. Austria could defend itself for a long time, and would be in little position to help me against france. This is, of course, not including the huge amount of diplomacy this would have required.

It was very exciting in the beginning, but alas I think i will stick to private hashing out plans with allies and then beating down my enemies. No peace talks there!

Yeah, it was pretty obvious you were setting yourself up to screw the Italians before everyone jumped them. "Ohh, let me move to the Med to *help* you!"

EOG Statement: Turkey:

The game started out pretty well for me - I managed to work with Russia and creatively misinterpreted the words of Austria to justify actions against them. I also courted Italy with Greece, and while Austria offered to help them in as well, they gave the credit to me.
Things started bogging down almost immediately, as Italy’s offensive against Austria failed, and the pending conflict between France and Germany was aborted. Italy’s consent for French fleets in the Med bit them in the ass and they had to pull out of Greece, which I occupied – but by then, the Western Treaty had been signed, and it was pretty obvious that if the Eastern powers did not hang together, we would all hang separately. IMO, France missed a great opportunity by making threats if Russia and I moved on Austria – it was obvious they were looking for an excuse to get involved, and instead of carving out a chunk of land for themselves, they forced us into alliance.
Italy, as the odd man out, got dogpiled on by everyone. What I *should* have done during this period was reinforce the front lines, but I expected a draw, and missed the opportunity. By the time things started heating up, I was out of position, and started getting forced back. I probably would have been able to stalemate the French in the Med, but they would have grabbed the rest of Italy before they were stopped.
And then the game ended.
I enjoyed the role play aspects, but it did make it more challenging – it was harder to justify attacking someone else, and it was pretty obvious that treachery would only generate a dogpile.

EOG Statement: France:


I had a reeeally rocky start to this game. When I first looked at the forum in the pregame, the eastern powers were negotiating the divvying up of neutral supplies near them, so I decided to make a start on the west.

I made a strong thematic claim to Belgium and (disingeniously as it turned out) hinted that whoever supported me would get my support. I was actually hoping to start the game with a strong Franco-German alliance and mutilate the English right off the bat.

Buut, things did NOT go as planned.Germany decided they were not my friends, and claimed that Belgium was a British SC, and made a big hubbub about my expansionist tendencies. Meanwhile, Britain claimed that they 'had' to occupy the Channel for self-defense and I figured I was done for.
Germany clearly wanted my head and I thought Britain did as well. But strangely enough, the British player acted as if all they did want was negotiated peace with everyone. With that settled, of course there was no way I could attack Germany.

When Germany moved into Burgundy then, I was ecstatic. I hoped that now I could puruse a righteous war against the Germans with English support. Unfortunately, once again the silly English refused to support and condone attacks if the Germans were sorry. I then decided to occupy the Ruhr to see if I could provoke the Germans into attacking me but regrettably failed again.


It was at this time that Eastern events began affecting me. Earlier on, it was clear that Russia and Turkey were jumping at the bit to carve up Austria. I was feeling a little worried about a successful juggernaught in the early game so I tried putting pressure on Italy and others to keep Austria safe.

Can I add at this point that the Italian player was really weird?

Anyway, at this point I decided that if offensives in the west weren't going to work for the time being I better try my luck in the Med. I saw that Turkey and Austria were looking hungrily at Italian Greece so I offered to 'help' Italy by moving naval forces in. Luckily they agreed so I was well positoned for a stab or support if things went wrong.

Unfortunately I was also pressured to sign the silly three western triple alliance with England and Germany. It limited my options and threatened Russia, but I was about to leave my self exposed so I felt it was a prudent decision.

We were all very analytical too, so everyone was worried about image. Well, everyone except Italy; 'Band Leader Rossiloni!?'.... What?

Yes, so, the east, perhaps as a result of our alliance also signed a triple alliance. Someone mentioned a seven- way draw but we then noticed Italy was exposed.

So we decided to eat.

I hoped to take both Tunis and Rome, but at that moment I busy with things and France inoppotunely missed a move, allowing the Italians to wreak havoc behind my lines. Fortunately good old England helped me out.



So then, with Italy gone someone again mentioned a draw. I wasn't happy at all with this and I was hoping that now there would be a juggernaugh on Austria when suddenly Russia and Austria attacked Germany.

I was exhuberant. We westerners were outnumbered numerically, but our forces were very well positioned to take out the east, particularly mine. Austria got into Munich briefly, but essentially my two allies pushed back the Austro-Ruskies while I focused on attacking the Turks and taking over Venice (which was Austrian).

Unfortunately the Turkish fleet turned around and progress slowed.

We in the West likely could have taken a few more centres but eventually we would have staelmated.

I, as the early leader and with France exposed to my allies felt especially insecure.

Therefore, when Turkey offered a draw and Germany said he thought it was reasonable I decided to agree. I was still hoping Russia would do something crazy but he did not.

So it was drawn.

Overall, the game and the roleplay were fun, but by jobe it turned into one hell of a stalemate. One persons desire for peace (cough, England, cough) essentially turned the whole board into a locked state.

i was tempted to do something crazy but it would have just meant i got destroyed and the draw still would have been on just minus me, i tried to keep the game going when it stalled but didnt really work

EOG statement: England.

I hear France's words. I didn't think the stalemate hinged on me, but maybe it did.

I'm a newbie player. This was the 5th or 6th game for me ever. I thought it would be fun. I enjoyed the role-play creative writing part of things, but I did learn something: I am way too honest for this game. I know, it's a game. I get that. And maybe I will be more callous with time, if I decide to continue playing.

When I claimed the channel for defense, it was. I had no intentions for France, because the one thing Ihave learned in my previous games is that like reality, french and english wars tend to leave both ripe for the pickings later on.

I accepted the draw, but would have pushed into Russia farther. I would have issued a statement about France upsetting the balance of power within our triumvariate and used that as an excuse to expand. I wouldn't have broken the treaty with either france or germany and probably would have been used for one purpose or the other and then done away with.

Looking back at the intended misreadings of the communications and the provoking caught me a little bit by surprise. Not too much, but a little.

I think I was hoping for an east/west war and maybe a three way tie.

Thanks. This was by far the most fun I've had playing diplomacy.
I know I still have a lot ot learn and sorry if I disrupted plans with my quest for peace :-)

Haha, don't worry England, you weren't the only reason or the draw. Just an important.

I take partial responsibility, as should Germany and Austria.

i take none i tried :p

Yes, I take partial responsibility. We could have pressed further. I was waiting for France to help me into Tyrolia so that I could get into a better position. My hopes were to get Vienna, Wasraw and maybe moscow, but I simpyl didnt have the will the keep going at the rate the game took. It was a good experiment, but it became too easy to villify any aggression.

England always seemed eager for peace, which upset me a little, since I clearly wanted France dead since I couldnt get enough naval strength to take out england before France. I was hoping that France would be aggressive when in Ruhr so that me and england could take him out.

Like I said, it was fun, but I simply didnt have the energy to keep going. Hopefully I'll meet up with you guys in another game.