So, rather than admitting you were wrong and confused, you're trying to play this off as some poorly-conceived attempt to teach us to explain things better? Risky play; let's see how it pays off.

Dude, look back and see where I had agreed. SocDis was arguin all along for the 50/50 and I could see where he was comign from, so decided to try and help him argue his cause. I just got a bit carried away. As I said, I knew since doing the marble math that it was 1/3 because of the fact that the G first guarantees you get a B second which is twice the odds of a B first getting a B second.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

So, in a subject that people are known to get confused by and in which it's likely you'd be considered an authority, you decide to argue the wrong position in an attempt to...?

Sorry draug, babies aren't marbles, their coins. Coins is the definitive example for independent events which have 2 equally possible outcomes. If you get it now, just say you get it now (which it sounds like you do) but don't try to claim that you got it all along and were just waiting for one of us to use the exact analogy you were thinking of. I gave you plenty of brilliantly simplified analogies using coins behind a blinder even marking them with a "K", and showed my work using the conditional probably formula that was hanging up @socDis. To say that I failed your personal test because I didn't mention marbles, is a little absurd. You were trying just as hard as everyone else to argue your side and never once mentioned marbles. So really, don't use that as a lame attempt to say you were right all along and we were just too dense to use your example to explain it to you. It's a bit like claiming to be a C++ developer and not recognising it when its right in front of you ... Then saying you've got lots of development work ahead of you because you're the go to guy, and trying to impress a bunch of other developers with buzz words to try to hide your embarrassment about not recognizing C++ code.

To be clear I don't doubt for a second that you are a developer, as I've said in the past. I now have doubts that you ever used a C family language, but there's nothing wring with that - other than the repeated claims that you have just to impress people - but I think you have a real problem admitting you are wrong. And you should get over that. Admitting you are wrong is saying that you learned something today, and there is nothing better than going to sleep at night knowing more than you did when woke up.

I just came back to 14 pages of excellent reading, thanks guys.

Draug, you're full of shit. Be a big boy and admit you were wrong.

I got it the first time around when I admitted I was mistaken. Did you all honestly think I actually changed my mind back to the worng perspective and suddenly jumped ship? Hahahahahaha!

@abge - To have some fun dude! It's a fucking Diplomacy forum! Not a presidential debate. Geez!

ooops philcore you're going to make Draug really mad! You might not like him when he gets mad. He turns into the incredible hulk :-)

@draug, yes I honestly think that. You went on all day about it.

And since I just noticed philcore's doubts of my C# prowess and why I was brainfriend, here is the console bulk updater I was working on this weekend. If you like, I can go into detail of the classes incolved in the CAEWebServices as well as the Guru Rule Engine (my companies product). I work for Cincom Systems in Springdale Ohio. You can call them and ask for in the Acquire Services group. My name is Robert Bolin as has been established numerous times. Here is the code.

using System;
using System.Collections.Generic;
using System.Linq;
using System.Text;
using System.Net;
using System.Configuration;
using System.Web;
using System.IO;
using System.Xml;
using System.Xml.Linq;
using System.Threading;
using System.Threading.Tasks;
using System.Reflection;
using System.Runtime.Serialization;
using System.Runtime.Serialization.Formatters.Binary;

using Cincom.Guru.Runtime.Engine.Hierarchies;
using Cincom.Guru.Runtime.Engine.CharacteristicValues;
using Cincom.Guru.Runtime.Engine.Rules.Methods;
using Cincom.Guru.Runtime.Engine.Entities;
using Cincom.Guru.Runtime.Engine.GuruEngine;
using Cincom.Guru.Runtime.Engine.Logging;

using CAECUDUpdateConsole.CAEWebServices;
using CAECUDUpdateConsole;

namespace CAECUDUpdateConsole
{
class Program
{
private static CAEWebServices.CRMWebService crmWebService;
private static EngineMarshal engineMarshal;
private static XDocument xdDataSources;
private static List<XElement> dataSources;
private static QuoteLineItem line;
private static QuoteLineItem subline;
private static List<string> namesAdded;

static void Main(string[] args)
{
try
{
Console.WriteLine("Processing all Quotes in Cincom Acquire Express");
Console.WriteLine("Press Enter to Start (Ctrl-C to abort)");
Console.ReadLine();

Console.WriteLine("Connecting to Acquire Express Web Service...");
crmWebService = new CAEWebServices.CRMWebService();
crmWebService.CookieContainer = new CookieContainer();
crmWebService.Login(ConfigurationManager.AppSettings["CRMUser"], ConfigurationManager.AppSettings["CRMPwd"]);

Console.WriteLine("Connecting to Guru Engine Marshal...");
engineMarshal = EngineMarshal.Marshal;

Console.WriteLine("Loading Data Sources Reference File...");
string _dataSourcesFilePath = AppDomain.CurrentDomain.BaseDirectory
+ (AppDomain.CurrentDomain.BaseDirectory.EndsWith(@"\") ? "" : @"\")
+ ConfigurationManager.AppSettings["DataSourcesPath"]
+ (ConfigurationManager.AppSettings["DataSourcesPath"].EndsWith(@"\") ? "" : @"\")
+ ConfigurationManager.AppSettings["DataSourcesFile"];
xdDataSources = XDocument.Load(_dataSourcesFilePath);
dataSources = xdDataSources.Element("DataSources").Elements("DataSource").ToList();

Console.WriteLine("Getting All Quotes...");
Quote[] _quotes;
{
FilterExpression _filter = new FilterExpression();
ConditionExpression[] _conditions;

ConditionExpression _quoteCondition = new ConditionExpression();
if (ConfigurationManager.AppSettings["Quote2TestWith"] != null && ConfigurationManager.AppSettings["Quote2TestWith"].Trim() != "")
{
string[] _quoteNumbers = { ConfigurationManager.AppSettings["Quote2TestWith"] };
_quoteCondition.ConditionOperator = Operator.Equal;
_quoteCondition.Values = _quoteNumbers;
_quoteCondition.FieldName = "QuoteNumber";
}
else
{
string[] _quoteIds = { (Guid.Empty).ToString() };
_quoteCondition.ConditionOperator = Operator.NotEqual;
_quoteCondition.Values = _quoteIds;
_quoteCondition.FieldName = "Id";
}

_conditions = new ConditionExpression[] { _quoteCondition };
_filter.Conditions = _conditions;

crmWebService = new CAEWebServices.CRMWebService();
crmWebService.CookieContainer = new CookieContainer();
crmWebService.Login(ConfigurationManager.AppSettings["CRMUser"], ConfigurationManager.AppSettings["CRMPwd"]);
_quotes = crmWebService.QuoteFind(_filter, null);
}

if (_quotes.Count() > 0)
foreach (Quote _quote in _quotes)
{
Console.WriteLine("Processing " + _quote.QuoteNumber);

QuoteLineItem[] _lines;
{
FilterExpression _filter = new FilterExpression();
ConditionExpression[] _conditions;

string[] _quoteIds = { (_quote.Id).ToString() };
ConditionExpression _quoteIdCondition = new ConditionExpression();
_quoteIdCondition.FieldName = "QuoteId";
_quoteIdCondition.ConditionOperator = Operator.Equal;
_quoteIdCondition.Values = _quoteIds;

_conditions = new ConditionExpression[] { _quoteIdCondition };
_filter.Conditions = _conditions;

crmWebService = new CAEWebServices.CRMWebService();
crmWebService.CookieContainer = new CookieContainer();
crmWebService.Login(ConfigurationManager.AppSettings["CRMUser"], ConfigurationManager.AppSettings["CRMPwd"]);
_lines = crmWebService.QuoteLineItemFind(_filter, null);
}

if (_lines.Count() > 0)
_lines.ToList().Where(_line => _line.QuoteId == _quote.Id).Where(_line => _line.SubLineItemNumber == null || _line.SubLineItemNumber == 0).OrderBy(_line => _line.LineItemNumber).ToList().ForEach(_line =>
{
namesAdded = new List<string>();
Console.WriteLine(" Line " + _line.LineItemNumber.ToString() + ": " + _line.Description);
line = _line;

_lines.ToList().Where(_subline => _subline.LineItemNumber == _line.LineItemNumber).Where(_subline => _subline.SubLineItemNumber != null && _subline.SubLineItemNumber > 0).OrderBy(_subline => _subline.SubLineItemNumber).ToList().ForEach(_subline =>
{
Console.WriteLine(" SubLine " + _subline.SubLineItemNumber.ToString() + ": " + _subline.Description);

subline = _subline;
ProcessSubline();
subline = null;
});
line = null;
});
}

Console.WriteLine("All Quotes Processed.");
Console.ReadLine();
}
catch (Exception e)
{
//LogWriter.Logger.Exception(e.Message);
Console.WriteLine(e.Message.ToString());
Console.ReadLine();
}
}

private static void ProcessSubline()
{
if (subline.ConfigurationDna != null)
{
foreach (ConfigurationDnaItem _cdi in subline.ConfigurationDna.Items)
{
if (_cdi.Name != null && _cdi.Name.Trim() != "")
{
IRuleEngine _ruleEngine = GetEngine(_cdi.Name);
if (_ruleEngine != null)
{
Console.WriteLine(" Instantiated Engine: " + _ruleEngine.ModelName);
_ruleEngine.DecodeData(_cdi.Value);

List<IEntity> _backgroundEntities = Lennox.PluginShared.Common.GetBackGroundEntities(_ruleEngine.EngineKey);
List<IEntity> _caseEntities = Lennox.PluginShared.Common.GetCaseEntities(_ruleEngine.EngineKey);
List<IMultiValueEntity> _lineupEntities = Lennox.PluginShared.Common.GetLineupEntities(_ruleEngine.EngineKey);

string _caseCUD = _ruleEngine.EncodeData(_caseEntities, null);
string _lineupCUD = _ruleEngine.EncodeData(_lineupEntities.Select(_le => _le.Name).ToList().Union(_backgroundEntities.Select(_be => _be.Name).ToList()).ToList());

bool _hasDNAItem = (line.ConfigurationDna.Items.Where(_lcdi => _lcdi.Name == _cdi.Name).Count() > 0);
if (!_hasDNAItem)
{
ConfigurationDnaItem _lcdi = SerializationCopier<ConfigurationDnaItem>.DeepCopy(_cdi);
_lcdi.Value = _lineupCUD;
_lcdi.ConfigurationDnaId = line.ConfigurationDna.Id;
crmWebService.ConfigurationDnaItemAdd(_lcdi);
line = crmWebService.QuoteLineItemGet(line.Id);
namesAdded.Add(_cdi.Name);
}
else if (!namesAdded.Contains(_cdi.Name))
{
// log the pre-existence
Console.WriteLine(" SKIPPED: " + _cdi.Name + " already exists on lineup.");
}

_cdi.Value = _caseCUD;
crmWebService.ConfigurationDnaItemUpdate(_cdi);

engineMarshal.RemoveEngine(_ruleEngine.EngineKey);
}
}
}
}
}


private static IRuleEngine GetEngine(string sourceName)
{
IRuleEngine _ruleEngine = null;

string _engineName = null;
dataSources.Where(_ds => _ds.Attribute("source-name").Value == sourceName).ToList().ForEach(_ds =>
{
_engineName = _ds.Element("Source").Value;
if (_engineName != null && _engineName.Trim() != "")
{
string _fullEngineName = ConfigurationManager.AppSettings["GuruModelPath"]
+ (ConfigurationManager.AppSettings["GuruModelPath"].EndsWith(@"\") ? "" : @"\")
+ _engineName;
_engineName = _fullEngineName;
}
});

if (_engineName != null)
{
_ruleEngine = engineMarshal.CreateEngineAndLoadRules(_engineName);
}

return _ruleEngine;
}
}

public static class SerializationCopier<T>
{
public static T DeepCopy(object objectToCopy)
{
using (MemoryStream _memoryStream = new MemoryStream())
{
BinaryFormatter _binaryFormatter = new BinaryFormatter();
_binaryFormatter.Serialize(_memoryStream, objectToCopy);
_memoryStream.Seek(0, SeekOrigin.Begin);
return (T)_binaryFormatter.Deserialize(_memoryStream);
}
}
}
}

And here is a library I wrote to provide quote, group, line, and subline discounting functionality to a discoutning front end I wrote. I can't provide the front end code as it is confidential for the client where as this is not. Note the use of the same Serializable object Deep Copy class.

using System;
using System.Collections.Generic;
using System.Linq;
using System.Web;
using System.Net;
using System.Configuration;
using System.IO;
using System.Runtime.Serialization;
using System.Runtime.Serialization.Formatters.Binary;
using System.Web.Services.Protocols;
using Discounting.AEWebReference;
using Discounting;
using System.Reflection;

namespace Discounting
{
public static class SerializationCopier<T>
{
public static T DeepCopy(object objectToCopy)
{
using (MemoryStream _memoryStream = new MemoryStream())
{
BinaryFormatter _binaryFormatter = new BinaryFormatter();
_binaryFormatter.Serialize(_memoryStream, objectToCopy);
_memoryStream.Seek(0, SeekOrigin.Begin);
return (T)_binaryFormatter.Deserialize(_memoryStream);
}
}
}

public class DisplayGroup : object
{
public DisplayGroup()
{
}

public DisplayGroup(string _group, string _description)
{
group = _group;
description = _description;
}

private string group;
private string description;

public string Group
{
get { return group; }
set { group = value; }
}

public string Description
{
get { return description; }
set { description = value; }
}
}

public class CAEDiscountingLibrary
{
public enum DiscountType { Percentage, Amount, Override };
public enum QuoteLineOrder { Display, Price };

private List<QuoteLineItem> quoteLineItemList;
private List<QuoteLineItem> quoteLineItemListReadOnly;
private List<QuoteGroup> groupList;
private Quote activeQuote;

private AEWebReference.CRMWebService crmWebService;

public CAEDiscountingLibrary()
{
crmWebService = new AEWebReference.CRMWebService();
crmWebService.CookieContainer = new CookieContainer();
crmWebService.Login(ConfigurationManager.AppSettings["CRMUser"], ConfigurationManager.AppSettings["CRMPwd"]);
}

public CAEDiscountingLibrary(string quoteId)
{
crmWebService = new AEWebReference.CRMWebService();
crmWebService.CookieContainer = new CookieContainer();
crmWebService.Login(ConfigurationManager.AppSettings["CRMUser"], ConfigurationManager.AppSettings["CRMPwd"]);
LoadQuoteAndLines(quoteId);
}

public string GetFirstUserIDByType(string[] typecode)
{
FilterExpression _filter = new FilterExpression();
ConditionExpression[] _conditions;

ConditionExpression _userCondition = new ConditionExpression();
_userCondition.ConditionOperator = Operator.Equal;
_userCondition.FieldName = "Type";
_userCondition.Values = typecode;

_conditions = new ConditionExpression[] { _userCondition };

_filter.Conditions = _conditions;

User[] _u = crmWebService.UserFind(_filter, null);

if (_u != null && _u.Count() > 0 && _u[0].Id != null)
{
return _u[0].Id;
}
else
{
return null;
}
}

public void LoadQuoteAndLines(string quoteId)
{
try
{
activeQuote = crmWebService.QuoteGet(quoteId);
}
catch (Exception _exc)
{
}
if (activeQuote == null || activeQuote.Id == "") return;

{
FilterExpression _filter = new FilterExpression();
ConditionExpression[] _conditions;

string[] _quoteIds = { quoteId };
ConditionExpression _quoteIdCondition = new ConditionExpression();
_quoteIdCondition.ConditionOperator = Operator.Equal;
_quoteIdCondition.FieldName = "QuoteId";
_quoteIdCondition.Values = _quoteIds;

_conditions = new ConditionExpression[] { _quoteIdCondition };

_filter.Conditions = _conditions;

QuoteGroup[] _groups = crmWebService.QuoteGroupFind(_filter, null);

if (_groups != null && _groups.Count() > 0)
{
groupList = _groups.ToList();
}
else
{
groupList = null;
}
}

{
FilterExpression _filter = new FilterExpression();
ConditionExpression[] _conditions;

string[] _quoteIds = { quoteId };
ConditionExpression _quoteIdCondition = new ConditionExpression();
_quoteIdCondition.ConditionOperator = Operator.Equal;
_quoteIdCondition.FieldName = "QuoteId";
_quoteIdCondition.Values = _quoteIds;

_conditions = new ConditionExpression[] { _quoteIdCondition };

_filter.Conditions = _conditions;

QuoteLineItem[] _lines = crmWebService.QuoteLineItemFind(_filter, null);

quoteLineItemList = _lines.ToList();
quoteLineItemList = quoteLineItemList.FindAll(_qli => (_qli.IsExcludedFromQuoteAmount == null || _qli.IsExcludedFromQuoteAmount == false) || (_qli.SubLineItemNumber == null || _qli.SubLineItemNumber == 0));

quoteLineItemList.FindAll(_qli => _qli.SubLineItemNumber == null || _qli.SubLineItemNumber == 0).ForEach(_qli =>
{
_qli.UnitCost = GetLinePrice(_qli.Id);
_qli.UnitPrice = GetLineListPrice(_qli.Id);
_qli.ManualDiscountAmount = GetLineDiscountAmount(_qli.Id);
_qli.ExtendedAmount = GetLineNetPrice(_qli.Id);
});

//quoteLineItemList = quoteLineItemList.FindAll(_qli => _qli.UnitPrice != null && _qli.UnitCost != null && _qli.UnitPrice != 0 && _qli.UnitPrice == _qli.UnitCost);
quoteLineItemList = quoteLineItemList.FindAll(_qli => _qli.UnitPrice != null && _qli.UnitCost != null && _qli.UnitPrice != 0);
quoteLineItemList.ForEach(_qli => _qli.DiscountPercentage = 100 * _qli.ManualDiscountAmount / _qli.UnitPrice);
quoteLineItemListReadOnly = SerializationCopier<List<QuoteLineItem>>.DeepCopy(quoteLineItemList.FindAll(
_qli => (_qli.SubLineItemNumber != null && _qli.SubLineItemNumber > 0)
|| ((_qli.SubLineItemNumber == null || _qli.SubLineItemNumber == 0)
&& ((_qli.IsExcludedFromQuoteAmount == null) || (_qli.IsExcludedFromQuoteAmount == false)))));
}
}

private void RollUpSublines()
{
foreach (QuoteLineItem _line in quoteLineItemList)
{
_line.UnitPrice = GetLineListPrice(_line.Id);
_line.UnitCost = GetLinePrice(_line.Id);
_line.ExtendedAmount = GetLineNetPrice(_line.Id);
_line.ManualDiscountAmount = GetLineDiscountAmount(_line.Id);
_line.DiscountPercentage = GetLineDiscountPercent(_line.Id);
_line.Group = GetLineGroup(_line.Id);
}
}

//public bool VerifyDiscount(string quoteId, string userName)
//{
// bool retval = false;

// FilterExpression usersFilter = new FilterExpression();
// ConditionExpression userNameCondition = new ConditionExpression();
// userNameCondition.ConditionOperator = Operator.Equal;
// userNameCondition.FieldName = "";
// string[] usersFilterValues = { userName };
// userNameCondition.Values = usersFilterValues;

// ConditionExpression[] usersFilterConditions = { userNameCondition };
// usersFilter.Conditions = usersFilterConditions;
// User[] users = crmWebService.UserFind(usersFilter, null);
// User user = null;
// if (users != null && users.Count() > 0)
// {
// user = users[0];
// }

// if (user == null)
// {
// return retval;
// }

// string userType = user.Type;

// GuruAjaxServices guruAjaxService = new GuruAjaxServices();
// string ajaxControllerId = guruAjaxService.GetAjaxControllerId();
// guruAjaxService.InitializeEngine(ajaxControllerId);




// Quote quote = GetQuoteById(quoteId);

// List<QuoteLineItem> lines = GetQuoteLineItemsForQuoteId(quoteId, QuoteLineOrder.Display, true);

// return retval;
//}

public void ApplyQuoteDiscount(string discount, DiscountType discountType)
{
decimal? _quotePriceNullable;
decimal _quotePrice;
decimal _discountPct;
decimal _discountAmt;

_quotePriceNullable = GetQuoteListPrice();
_quotePrice = (_quotePriceNullable == null ? 0 : (decimal)_quotePriceNullable);

if (discount != null & discount.Trim() != "")
{
if (discountType == DiscountType.Amount)
{
_discountAmt = decimal.Parse(discount);
if (_quotePrice != 0)
{
_discountPct = Math.Round((_discountAmt / _quotePrice) * 10000) / 100;
}
else
{
_discountPct = (decimal)100.0;
}
}
else if (discountType == DiscountType.Override)
{
decimal _overrideAmt = decimal.Parse(discount);
_discountAmt = _quotePrice - _overrideAmt;
if (_quotePrice != 0)
{
_discountPct = Math.Round((_discountAmt / _quotePrice) * 10000) / 100;
}
else
{
_discountPct = (decimal)100.0;
}
}
else
{
_discountPct = decimal.Parse(discount);
_discountAmt = Math.Round(_quotePrice * (_discountPct)) / 100;
}
}
else
{
return;
}

List<QuoteLineItem> lines = GetQuoteLineItems(QuoteLineOrder.Price, false);
foreach (QuoteLineItem _line in lines)
{
if (lines.IndexOf(_line) == lines.Count - 1)
{
if (discountType == DiscountType.Percentage)
{
ApplyLineDiscount(_line.Id, _discountPct.ToString(), DiscountType.Percentage);
}
else
{
ApplyLineDiscount(_line.Id, _discountAmt.ToString(), DiscountType.Amount);
}
}
else
{
decimal? _lineDiscount = _line.UnitPrice * (((decimal?)_discountPct) / 100) * (_line.Quantity == null || _line.Quantity == 0 ? 1 : _line.Quantity);

if (discountType == DiscountType.Percentage)
{
ApplyLineDiscount(_line.Id, _discountPct.ToString(), DiscountType.Percentage);
}
else
{
ApplyLineDiscount(_line.Id, _lineDiscount.ToString(), DiscountType.Amount);
}
_discountAmt -= (decimal)_lineDiscount;
}
}
RollUpSublines();
}

public void ApplyGroupDiscount(string group, string discount, DiscountType discountType)
{
decimal? _groupPriceNullable;
decimal _groupPrice;
decimal _discountPct;
decimal _discountAmt;

_groupPriceNullable = GetGroupListPrice(group);
_groupPrice = (_groupPriceNullable == null ? 0 : (decimal)_groupPriceNullable);

if (discount != null & discount.Trim() != "")
{
if (discountType == DiscountType.Amount)
{
_discountAmt = decimal.Parse(discount);
if (_groupPrice != 0)
{
_discountPct = Math.Round((_discountAmt / _groupPrice) * 10000) / 100;
}
else
{
_discountPct = (decimal)100.0;
}
}
else if (discountType == DiscountType.Override)
{
decimal _overrideAmt = decimal.Parse(discount);
_discountAmt = _groupPrice - _overrideAmt;
if (_groupPrice != 0)
{
_discountPct = Math.Round((_discountAmt / _groupPrice) * 10000) / 100;
}
else
{
_discountPct = (decimal)100.0;
}
}
else
{
_discountPct = decimal.Parse(discount);
_discountAmt = Math.Round(_groupPrice * (_discountPct)) / 100;
}
}
else
{
return;
}

List<QuoteLineItem> lines = GetGroupLineItems(group, QuoteLineOrder.Price, false);
foreach (QuoteLineItem _line in lines)
{
if (lines.IndexOf(_line) == lines.Count - 1)
{
if (discountType == DiscountType.Percentage)
{
ApplyLineDiscount(_line.Id, _discountPct.ToString(), DiscountType.Percentage);
}
else
{
ApplyLineDiscount(_line.Id, _discountAmt.ToString(), DiscountType.Amount);
}
}
else
{
decimal? _lineDiscount = _line.UnitPrice * (((decimal?)_discountPct) / 100) * (_line.Quantity == null || _line.Quantity == 0 ? 1 : _line.Quantity);

if (discountType == DiscountType.Percentage)
{
ApplyLineDiscount(_line.Id, _discountPct.ToString(), DiscountType.Percentage);
}
else
{
ApplyLineDiscount(_line.Id, _lineDiscount.ToString(), DiscountType.Amount);
}
_discountAmt -= (decimal)_lineDiscount;
}
}
RollUpSublines();
}

public void ApplyLineDiscount(string quoteLineItemId, string discount, DiscountType discountType)
{
decimal? _linePriceNullable;
decimal _linePrice;
decimal _discountPct;
decimal _discountAmt;

_linePriceNullable = GetLineListPrice(quoteLineItemId);
_linePrice = (_linePriceNullable == null ? 0 : (decimal)_linePriceNullable);

if (discount != null & discount.Trim() != "")
{
if (discountType == DiscountType.Amount)
{
_discountAmt = decimal.Parse(discount);
if (_linePrice != 0)
{
_discountPct = Math.Round((_discountAmt / _linePrice) * 10000) / 100;
}
else
{
_discountPct = (decimal)100.0;
}
}
else if (discountType == DiscountType.Override)
{
decimal _overrideAmt = decimal.Parse(discount);
_discountAmt = _linePrice - _overrideAmt;
if (_linePrice != 0)
{
_discountPct = Math.Round((_discountAmt / _linePrice) * 10000) / 100;
}
else
{
_discountPct = (decimal)100.0;
}
}
else
{
_discountPct = decimal.Parse(discount);
_discountAmt = Math.Round(_linePrice * (_discountPct)) / 100;
}
}
else
{
return;
}

QuoteLineItem _quoteLineItem = GetQuoteLineItemById(quoteLineItemId);
List<QuoteLineItem> _sublines = GetSubLinesForLineId(quoteLineItemId, QuoteLineOrder.Price);

if ((_quoteLineItem.SubLineItemNumber == null || _quoteLineItem.SubLineItemNumber == 0) && (_sublines != null && _sublines.Count > 0))
{
foreach (QuoteLineItem _subline in _sublines)
{
if (_sublines.IndexOf(_subline) == _sublines.Count - 1)
{
if (discountType == DiscountType.Percentage)
{
ApplyLineDiscount(_subline.Id, _discountPct.ToString(), DiscountType.Percentage);
}
else
{
ApplyLineDiscount(_subline.Id, _discountAmt.ToString(), DiscountType.Amount);
}
}
else
{
decimal? _lineDiscount = _subline.UnitPrice * (((decimal?)_discountPct / 100)) * (_subline.Quantity == null || _subline.Quantity == 0 ? 1 : _subline.Quantity);

if (discountType == DiscountType.Percentage)
{
ApplyLineDiscount(_subline.Id, _discountPct.ToString(), DiscountType.Percentage);
}
else
{
ApplyLineDiscount(_subline.Id, _lineDiscount.ToString(), DiscountType.Amount);
}
_discountAmt -= (decimal)_lineDiscount;
}
}
}
else
{
_quoteLineItem.ExtendedAmount = (_quoteLineItem.UnitPrice * (_quoteLineItem.Quantity == null || _quoteLineItem.Quantity == 0 ? 1 : _quoteLineItem.Quantity)) - ((decimal?)_discountAmt);
_quoteLineItem.ManualDiscountAmount = _discountAmt;
_quoteLineItem.DiscountPercentage = null;
}
RollUpSublines();
}

public void SaveDiscounts()
{
quoteLineItemList.FindAll(
_qli => (_qli.SubLineItemNumber != null && _qli.SubLineItemNumber > 0)
|| ((_qli.SubLineItemNumber == null || _qli.SubLineItemNumber == 0)
&& ((_qli.IsExcludedFromQuoteAmount == null) || (_qli.IsExcludedFromQuoteAmount == false)))
).ForEach(_qli =>
{
if (quoteLineItemListReadOnly.Exists(_qlire => _qlire.Id == _qli.Id && _qlire.ExtendedAmount != _qli.ExtendedAmount))
{
_qli.IsPriceOverridden = true;
_qli.ExtendedAmount = _qli.UnitPrice - _qli.ManualDiscountAmount;
crmWebService.QuoteLineItemUpdate(_qli);
}
});
quoteLineItemListReadOnly = SerializationCopier<List<QuoteLineItem>>.DeepCopy(quoteLineItemList.FindAll(
_qli => (_qli.SubLineItemNumber != null && _qli.SubLineItemNumber > 0)
|| ((_qli.SubLineItemNumber == null || _qli.SubLineItemNumber == 0)
&& ((_qli.IsExcludedFromQuoteAmount == null) || (_qli.IsExcludedFromQuoteAmount == false)))));
}

public Quote GetQuote()
{
return activeQuote;
}

public Quote GetQuoteById(string quoteId)
{
Quote _retval = null;
try
{
_retval = crmWebService.QuoteGet(quoteId);
}
catch (Exception _exc)
{
}
return _retval;
}

public QuoteGroup GetGroupByGroup(string group)
{
QuoteGroup _retval = null;
QuoteGroup _group = groupList.Find(_n => _n.Group.Equals(group));
if (_group != null && _group.Id != "")
{
_retval = _group;
}
return _retval;
}

public List<QuoteLineItem> GetGroupLineItems(string groupName, QuoteLineOrder quoteLineOrder, bool includeSubLines)
{
List<QuoteLineItem> _retval = new List<QuoteLineItem>();
if (!includeSubLines)
{
List<QuoteLineItem> _filtered = quoteLineItemList.FindAll(_g => _g.Group != null && _g.Group.Equals(groupName));
//_filtered = _filtered.FindAll(lpc => lpc.UnitCost == lpc.UnitPrice);
_filtered = _filtered.FindAll(_slin => _slin.SubLineItemNumber.Equals(null));
if (_filtered != null && _filtered.Count > 0)
_retval.AddRange(_filtered);
_filtered = _filtered.FindAll(_slin => _slin.SubLineItemNumber.Equals(0));
if (_filtered != null && _filtered.Count > 0)
_retval.AddRange(_filtered);
}
else
{
_retval = quoteLineItemList.FindAll(_g => _g.Group.Equals(groupName));
}

if (quoteLineOrder == QuoteLineOrder.Display)
{
return _retval.OrderBy(lin => lin.LineItemNumber).ThenBy(slin => slin.SubLineItemNumber).ToList();
}
else if (quoteLineOrder == QuoteLineOrder.Price)
{
return _retval.OrderBy(up => up.UnitPrice).ToList();
}
else
{
return _retval;
}
}

public decimal? GetGroupPrice(string groupName)
{
decimal? _retval = 0;

List<QuoteLineItem> _lines = new List<QuoteLineItem>();
_lines = GetGroupLineItems(groupName, QuoteLineOrder.Display, false);
if (_lines != null && _lines.Count > 0)
{
foreach (QuoteLineItem _line in _lines)
{
//if (!(GetLineListPrice(_line.Id) > GetLinePrice(_line.Id)))
{
_retval += GetLinePrice(_line.Id);
}
}
}

return _retval;
}

public decimal? GetGroupListPrice(string groupName)
{
decimal? _retval = 0;

List<QuoteLineItem> _lines = new List<QuoteLineItem>();
_lines = GetGroupLineItems(groupName, QuoteLineOrder.Display, false);
if (_lines != null && _lines.Count > 0)
{
foreach (QuoteLineItem _line in _lines)
{
//if (!(GetLineListPrice(_line.Id) > GetLinePrice(_line.Id)))
{
_retval += GetLineListPrice(_line.Id);
}
}
}

return _retval;
}

public decimal? GetGroupNetPrice(string groupName)
{
decimal? _retval = 0;

List<QuoteLineItem> _lines = new List<QuoteLineItem>();
_lines = GetGroupLineItems(groupName, QuoteLineOrder.Display, false);
if (_lines != null && _lines.Count > 0)
{
foreach (QuoteLineItem _line in _lines)
{
//if (GetLineListPrice(_line.Id) <= GetLinePrice(_line.Id))
{
_retval += GetLineNetPrice(_line.Id);
}
}
}

return _retval;
}

public decimal? GetGroupDiscountAmount(string groupName)
{
decimal? _retval = 0;

List<QuoteLineItem> _lines = new List<QuoteLineItem>();
_lines = GetGroupLineItems(groupName, QuoteLineOrder.Display, false);
if (_lines != null && _lines.Count > 0)
{
foreach (QuoteLineItem _line in _lines)
{
if (!(GetLineListPrice(_line.Id) > GetLinePrice(_line.Id)))
{
_retval += GetLineDiscountAmount(_line.Id);
}
}
}

return _retval;
}

public decimal? GetGroupDiscountPercent(string groupName)
{
decimal? _retval = null;
decimal? _discount = 0;
decimal? _unitprice = 0;

List<QuoteLineItem> _lines = GetGroupLineItems(groupName, QuoteLineOrder.Display, false);
_retval = 0;
if (_lines != null && _lines.Count > 0)
{
foreach (QuoteLineItem _line in _lines)
{
_discount += GetLineDiscountAmount(_line.Id) == null ? 0 : GetLineDiscountAmount(_line.Id);
_unitprice += GetLineListPrice(_line.Id) == null ? 0 : GetLineListPrice(_line.Id);
}
_retval = (_unitprice == 0 ? 0 : _discount / _unitprice);
}
return _retval;
}

public List<QuoteLineItem> GetQuoteLineItems(QuoteLineOrder quoteLineOrder, bool includeSubLines)
{
List<QuoteLineItem> _retval = new List<QuoteLineItem>();
//List<QuoteLineItem> _filtered = quoteLineItemList.FindAll(_f => GetLineListPrice(_f.Id) == GetLinePrice(_f.Id));
List<QuoteLineItem> _filtered = quoteLineItemList;
if (!includeSubLines)
{
_filtered = _filtered.FindAll(_qlil => _qlil.SubLineItemNumber.Equals(null));
if (_filtered != null && _filtered.Count > 0)
_retval.AddRange(_filtered);

_filtered = quoteLineItemList.FindAll(_qlil => _qlil.SubLineItemNumber.Equals(0));
if (_filtered != null && _filtered.Count > 0)
_retval.AddRange(_filtered);
}
else
{
_retval = _filtered;
}

if (quoteLineOrder == QuoteLineOrder.Display)
{
return _retval.OrderBy(lin => lin.LineItemNumber).ThenBy(slin => slin.SubLineItemNumber).ToList();
}
else if (quoteLineOrder == QuoteLineOrder.Price)
{
return _retval.OrderBy(up => up.UnitPrice).ToList();
}
else
{
return _retval;
}
}

public decimal? GetQuotePrice()
{
decimal? _retval = 0;
List<QuoteLineItem> _lines = new List<QuoteLineItem>();
_lines = GetQuoteLineItems(QuoteLineOrder.Display, false);
if (_lines != null && _lines.Count > 0)
{
foreach (QuoteLineItem _line in _lines)
{
//if (!(GetLineListPrice(_line.Id) > GetLinePrice(_line.Id)))
{
_retval += GetLinePrice(_line.Id);
}
}
}

return _retval;
}

public decimal? GetQuoteListPrice()
{
decimal? _retval = 0;
List<QuoteLineItem> _lines = new List<QuoteLineItem>();
_lines = GetQuoteLineItems(QuoteLineOrder.Display, false);
if (_lines != null && _lines.Count > 0)
{
foreach (QuoteLineItem _line in _lines)
{
//if (!(GetLineListPrice(_line.Id) > GetLinePrice(_line.Id)))
{
_retval += GetLineListPrice(_line.Id);
}
}
}

return _retval;
}

public decimal? GetQuoteNetPrice()
{
decimal? _retval = 0;
List<QuoteLineItem> _lines = new List<QuoteLineItem>();
_lines = GetQuoteLineItems(QuoteLineOrder.Display, false);
if (_lines != null && _lines.Count > 0)
{
foreach (QuoteLineItem _line in _lines)
{
//if (GetLineListPrice(_line.Id) <= GetLinePrice(_line.Id))
{
_retval += GetLineNetPrice(_line.Id);
}
}
}

return _retval;
}

public decimal? GetQuoteDiscountAmount()
{
decimal? _retval = 0;

List<QuoteLineItem> _lines = GetQuoteLineItems(QuoteLineOrder.Display, false);
if (_lines != null && _lines.Count > 0)
{
_retval = 0;
foreach (QuoteLineItem _line in _lines)
{
_retval += GetLineDiscountAmount(_line.Id);
}
}

return _retval;
}

public decimal? GetQuoteDiscountPercent()
{
decimal? _retval = null;
decimal? _discount = 0;
decimal? _unitprice = 0;

List<QuoteLineItem> _lines = GetQuoteLineItems(QuoteLineOrder.Display, false);
_retval = 0;
if (_lines != null && _lines.Count > 0)
{
foreach (QuoteLineItem _line in _lines)
{
_discount += GetLineDiscountAmount(_line.Id) == null ? 0 : GetLineDiscountAmount(_line.Id);
_unitprice += GetLineListPrice(_line.Id) == null ? 0 : GetLineListPrice(_line.Id);
}
_retval = (_unitprice == 0 ? 0 : _discount / _unitprice);
} return _retval;
}

public QuoteLineItem GetQuoteLineItemById(string quoteLineItemId)
{
return quoteLineItemList.Find(_id => _id.Id.Equals(quoteLineItemId));
}

public List<QuoteLineItem> GetSubLinesForLineId(string quoteLineItemId, QuoteLineOrder quoteLineOrder)
{
List<QuoteLineItem> _retval = new List<QuoteLineItem>();

QuoteLineItem _line = quoteLineItemList.Find(qlil => qlil.Id == quoteLineItemId);

_retval = quoteLineItemList.FindAll(qlil => qlil.LineItemNumber == _line.LineItemNumber);
_retval = _retval.FindAll(_rv => _rv.SubLineItemNumber != null);
_retval = _retval.FindAll(_rv => _rv.SubLineItemNumber != 0);
//_retval = _retval.FindAll(_rv => _rv.UnitCost == _rv.UnitPrice);
if (quoteLineOrder == QuoteLineOrder.Display)
{
List<QuoteLineItem> _qli = _retval.OrderBy(lin => lin.LineItemNumber).ThenBy(slin => slin.SubLineItemNumber).ToList();
return _retval;
}
else if (quoteLineOrder == QuoteLineOrder.Price)
{
return _retval.OrderBy(up => up.UnitPrice).ToList();
}
else
{
return _retval;
}
}

public decimal? GetLinePrice(string quoteLineItemId)
{
decimal? _retval = 0;
QuoteLineItem _quoteLineItem = GetQuoteLineItemById(quoteLineItemId);

if (_quoteLineItem != null && _quoteLineItem.Id != "")
{
List<QuoteLineItem> _sublines = GetSubLinesForLineId(quoteLineItemId, QuoteLineOrder.Display);
if ((_quoteLineItem.SubLineItemNumber == null || _quoteLineItem.SubLineItemNumber == 0) && (_sublines != null && _sublines.Count > 0))
{
_retval = 0;
foreach (QuoteLineItem _subline in _sublines)
{
_retval += GetLinePrice(_subline.Id);
}
}
else
{
decimal? _listprice = GetLineListPrice(quoteLineItemId);
decimal? _discount = GetLineDiscountAmount(quoteLineItemId);
_retval = (_listprice != null ? _listprice : 0) - (_discount != null ? _discount : 0);
}
}

return _retval;
}

public decimal? GetLineListPrice(string quoteLineItemId)
{
decimal? _retval = 0;
QuoteLineItem _quoteLineItem = GetQuoteLineItemById(quoteLineItemId);
if (_quoteLineItem != null && _quoteLineItem.Id != "")
{
List<QuoteLineItem> _sublines = GetSubLinesForLineId(quoteLineItemId, QuoteLineOrder.Display);
if ((_quoteLineItem.SubLineItemNumber == null || _quoteLineItem.SubLineItemNumber == 0) && (_sublines != null && _sublines.Count > 0))
{
_retval = 0;
foreach (QuoteLineItem _subline in _sublines)
{
_retval += GetLineListPrice(_subline.Id);
}
}
else
{
_retval = _quoteLineItem.UnitPrice != null ? _quoteLineItem.UnitPrice : 0;
}
}

return _retval;
}

public decimal? GetLineNetPrice(string quoteLineItemId)
{
decimal? _retval = 0;
QuoteLineItem _quoteLineItem = GetQuoteLineItemById(quoteLineItemId);

if (_quoteLineItem != null && _quoteLineItem.Id != "")
{
List<QuoteLineItem> _sublines = GetSubLinesForLineId(quoteLineItemId, QuoteLineOrder.Display);
if ((_quoteLineItem.SubLineItemNumber == null || _quoteLineItem.SubLineItemNumber == 0) && (_sublines != null && _sublines.Count > 0))
{
_retval = 0;
foreach (QuoteLineItem _subline in _sublines)
{
_retval += GetLineNetPrice(_subline.Id);
}
}
else
{
_retval = _quoteLineItem.ExtendedAmount != null ? _quoteLineItem.ExtendedAmount : 0;
}
}

return _retval;
}

public decimal? GetLineDiscountAmount(string quoteLineItemId)
{
decimal? _retval = 0;
QuoteLineItem _quoteLineItem = GetQuoteLineItemById(quoteLineItemId);

if (_quoteLineItem != null && _quoteLineItem.Id != "")
{
List<QuoteLineItem> _sublines = GetSubLinesForLineId(quoteLineItemId, QuoteLineOrder.Display);
if ((_quoteLineItem.SubLineItemNumber == null || _quoteLineItem.SubLineItemNumber == 0) && (_sublines != null && _sublines.Count > 0))
{
_retval = 0;
foreach (QuoteLineItem _subline in _sublines)
{
_retval += GetLineDiscountAmount(_subline.Id);
}
}
else
{
_retval = _quoteLineItem.ManualDiscountAmount != null ? _quoteLineItem.ManualDiscountAmount : 0;
}
}

return _retval;
}

public decimal? GetLineDiscountPercent(string quoteLineItemId)
{
decimal? _discount = 0;
decimal? _listprice = 0;
decimal? _retval = null;
QuoteLineItem _quoteLineItem = GetQuoteLineItemById(quoteLineItemId);

if (_quoteLineItem != null && _quoteLineItem.Id != "")
{
_discount = GetLineDiscountAmount(quoteLineItemId) == null ? 0 : GetLineDiscountAmount(quoteLineItemId);
_listprice = GetLineListPrice(quoteLineItemId) == null ? 0 : GetLineListPrice(quoteLineItemId);
_retval = (_listprice == 0 ? 0 : _discount / _listprice);
}

return _retval;
}

private string GetLineGroup(string quoteLineItemId)
{
QuoteLineItem _quoteLineItem = GetQuoteLineItemById(quoteLineItemId);
return _quoteLineItem.Group;
}
}
}

Ok, my doubts have been disproven, I was wrong. You do indeed do c# programming. See how easy it is? But look at the extent you went to to make sure it was known that you do c# ... You actually posted what is most likely proprietary code on a Fucking game forum! Just to save face! If one of my SEs did that, I would have a serious problem with that.

You have an insecurity issue and even though its clear that you know a lot of shit, you don't seem satisfied with yourself. Like I said before, the way to learn new stuff is to realize that there are things you don't know. And to be able to admit it to your peers.

And here is a part of the output from the first console app I posted. It's running on the entire set of Quotes and Revisions off our test server now.

Processing MO20130410134423
Line 1: LU1 20' Case 710, M/D Dairy, DX8UN
SubLine 1: DX8UN08R_L1_P1
Instantiated Engine: ElectricalAndControls
Instantiated Engine: EndOptions
Instantiated Engine: ExteriorOptions
Instantiated Engine: InteriorOptions
Instantiated Engine: MerchandisingOptions
Instantiated Engine: RefrigerationOptions
Instantiated Engine: UpperDisplayOptions
SubLine 2: DX8UN12R_L1_P2
Instantiated Engine: ElectricalAndControls
Instantiated Engine: EndOptions
Instantiated Engine: ExteriorOptions
Instantiated Engine: InteriorOptions
Instantiated Engine: MerchandisingOptions
Instantiated Engine: RefrigerationOptions
Instantiated Engine: UpperDisplayOptions
Line 2: LU2 12' Case 710, M/D Dairy, DX8UN
SubLine 1: DX8UN12R_L2_P1
Instantiated Engine: ElectricalAndControls
Instantiated Engine: EndOptions
Instantiated Engine: ExteriorOptions

Now do you believe that I know C# and was just brain fried from working 15+ hour days all week for this client?

Man throw that code in a damn link or something, geez. Also, isn't that shit proprietary?

And none of that was proprietary. The first chunk was for a mass conversion and will be more or less discarded as it is a one time conversion and the second code we include as part of a template to any customer who buys Aqcuire Express and it is released royalty free so they can do with it what they like. The client specific front end that uses it, I did *not* include because it is proprietary.

No, erist. And if I weren't so damn brainfried and wanted to spend the time, I would just have developed all three examples (original coint toss, my twisted coin toss, and the three marbles in a bag) in C# and posted them, but it was quicker and easier to just copy and paste a couple of .cs files I knew weren't proprietary and that I had written in full, myself.

I will readily admit my C++ is ancient and mostly forgotten. I have to look up every time I want to use a pointer. Same goes for my Java as I haven't coded Java dince JDK 1.2 when I got my certification. I am almost exclusively a C#.Net and T-SQL developer with SSRS and SSAS capabilities as well. Of course XML and ASP/HTML/Javascript come with the territory.

Making progress, now admit that the marble thing never even entered your mind until right before you posted about it, and we'll be off to the races :-)

So I had a marble epiphany? Seeing as nothing involving marbles or pulling three marked elements from a bag or anything even remotely similar ever came up in this thread, I just had an epiphany? Jesus, I must be a fucking genius!

And why do you think I never offered to take the bet up with abge tossing the coins? Because I *knew* he was rtight. I don't make bets unless I think I can win them and I haven't actually accepted a bet yet in this entire time, just offered to split it when I first laid out the difference between concrete/discrete where we have additional knowledge gained first hand versus conceptual knowledge where we only know a single aspect and how we know it gives no additional clues. Seriously, do I seem that stupid too you yet intelligent enough to have some epiphany *and* come up with a reason why so easily?

I gave up the charade cause I was tired of trolling. That's all. It was fun and the fun died off. the joke was over, so I showed you the man behind the curtain that was Draugnar's persona for the weekend.

The marble epiphany was a good start, but then you regressed calling it a charade.

We all know you better than that draug. We know when you're trolling and when you're being stubborn, when you're trying too hard to impress, and when you're honestly trying to argue your point. This was the latter and we all know that. If you're anything, you're transparent. Nothing wrong with that, BTW ... I'm also transparent. I just don't ever try to convince anyone otherwise. Life is much simpler that way.

So my marble epiphany was an actual epiphany and I'm a fucking genius? Good to know.

An epiphany doesn't make you a genius ... It just means you saw something from a perspective you didn't see before. So IRA I believe you had an epiphany. I dont, however think that your epiphany of marbles in a bag, was that great of an epiphany. I actually question the logic of your marble example. I think coins are way more analogous, but of your marbles in a bag epiphany helped you to understand the problem, then that's great.

Does anyone here flip a coin to decide their Diplomacy moves, so that there *is* an element of chance?

I role a number of six-sided dies

Also note that I role them all at once, rather than seperately. this increases the probability that I will take Vienna

Does anyone here flip a coin to decide their Diplomacy moves, so that there *is* an element of chance?