If he was born in Hawaii before 1959, Hawaii wasn't a state yet, and /obviously/ that means he isn't a natural born citizen. Look at Puerto Rico. They aren't having American babies. They're having Mexican babies.

Why else would he want to kill everyone with drones after taking their guns away?

You beat me to the punch on this thread, 2WL. +1

And if he was born in Kenya before 1964, he'd be British, so the United States would be back to square one.

This thread could lead anywhere. Did the US really land men on the moon? Was there a second gunman on the grassy knoll? Are aliens being kept at Area 51?

Dude, there has never been a U.S. Government. Ever. It's all a lie that we've propagated for centuries. Obama was never elected, and there's only a couple dozen people between D.C. and all the military.

So Ancient Aliens and Finding Bigfoot are real? I knew it.

Hey wait a minute, I thought I was the crazy one.

Not this time Sbyvl.

Yes to real moon landing
Yes to gunman or gunmen on grassy knoll
No to aliens at Area 51
Maybe to Obama being American-born

Everyone knows that aliens aren’t kept at area 51 they’re obviously kept in the subterranean super-complex that spans the entire continental United States. Our “government” isn’t that stupid enough to keep aliens at area 51.

Wait. Please don't say "our government isn't that stupid." Now you are bringing in reality into this conversation.

The aliens were moved from Area 51 to Wright-Patterson airbase, so they're not at Area 51 any more.
The shooter on the Grassy Knoll was Sicilian hit man Lucien Sarti, or possibly CIA operative E. Howard Hunt.
As for Obama's country of birth, does it really matter?

Thank you, Tolstoy. Can anyone tell me why Obama's birthplace matters?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural-born-citizen_clause

Not even the Yank military is stupid enough to believe that the life imprisonment without trial of beings from an alien nation who could destroy life on Earth on a whim would be a good idea. I have no idea how this conspiracy theory ever gets any credit.

@ nudge

It matters because the US has laws against the American people electing exactly who they want. Nobody knows why they have laws like these. Possibly to stop the Irish taking over :p

Having read that, I repeat: Can anyone tell me why Obama's birthplace matters?

Australia get's along just fine with our many foreign-born heads of state and heads of government thru our history.

this is retarded. even if he werent who really cares. there are a lot of accusations you could make about pretty much anyone. unless you can really definitively prove it, there is no point in wasting your time. this debate was probably formulated by the elites as a way of taking focus away from the serious issues with obama. he is one of the worst presidents in americas history. he has taken away the rights of americans more than pretty much any other president, he has started armed conflicts with imperialist goals more than pretty much any president in history. he is a piece of shit, that is what we need to focus on.

I think he means Bush.

you would think that wouldnt you

but bush comes in a close second

i cant even think off the top of my head of all the things obama has done but 3 great ones are 1. bombing any country where the government is not doing everything the cia wants them to (and throwing everything at destroying iran and syria which his supporters seemed to be against) 2. single-handedly transforming the office of the president into a dictatorship by issueing executive orders to do pretty much anything. you try internet censorship with sopa/pipa, massive demonstrations against it, thats fine just pass the law under an executive order... occupy wallstreet is really annoying, thats fine, shut it down with executive orders. americans still have rights? not a problem when you can take them away via executive order. 3. taking away habeas corpus for american citizens. americans now do not have the right to a trial in the united states. 4. breaking almost every single campaign promise. ending the wars day one, closing guantanamo, being the most transparent government, ending corporate or lobbyist influence etc for that matter 6. being the least transparent government of all time and prosecuting whistleblowers like no other president ever has. i could probably go on.

To 99.99% of this site, his birthplace doesn't matter. krellin, on the other hand, is a birther conspiracy theory far right wing reactionary and his unwillingness to admit that President Obama was born in this country proves it.

Well, you Americans chose to deny yourselves the benefits of constitutional monarchy and chose to empower a single person as both head of state and head of government. The result is that you have yourselves a non-hereditary temporary absolute monarch, while those of us in the Commonwealth Realms live in democratic crowned republics.

I really can't believe that krellin hasn't responded to this thread yet. I think that we hit a nerve.

And when you ask him why he hasn't responded, he'll say he's too good for you.

It's the MAN UP all over again.

Why does it matter/ Because ita illegal?

That being said i think he is american (by birth not by his mindset)

I was thinking that same thing Ulytau.