O ye unto whom the Scripture hath been given! Believe in what We have revealed confirming that which ye possess, before We destroy countenances so as to confound them, or curse them as We cursed the Sabbath-breakers (of old time). The commandment of Allah is always executed. Lo! Allah forgiveth not that a partner should be ascribed unto Him. He forgiveth (all) save that to whom He will. Whoso ascribeth partners to Allah, he hath indeed invented a tremendous sin.

God has no partners. He is one God, but with three persons, or manifestations, or... however you want to put it.

OH A TRINITY DEBATE?

JUST WHAT I ALWAYS WANTED

This is like Scientologists arguing with Mormons about whose religion is more made up.

You can fill it basically any two religions, btw. I just picked a couple that are relatively recent additions to the pantheon of bullshit.

Ok, Jack Klein, let me try.

This is like physicists arguing with astrologists about whose religion is more made up.

Praise Allah.

1+1+1 != 1

When exactly did Christians become so bad at math?

For a second I thought this would actually be a thread about Qur'an readings, which would have been a nice counterbalance to the Christian themed threads. Oh how I was wrong.

About 400 years before Moslems began believing that horses could fly.

"On the day when some faces will be whitened and some faces will be blackened, say to those whose faces will be blackened, 'Did ye reject faith after accepting it? Taste then the penalty for rejecting faith.' But those whose faces will be whitened, they will be in God's mercy: therein to dwell." (Sura Al-i-Imran, 3:106-107)

Hilarious....Mujus, jackass that he is, apparently in his need to try to insult the Qur'an, failed to read. Whoso ascribeth partners to Allah, he hath indeed invented a TREMENDOUS SIN.

Mujus, you dickhead - the Qur'an agrees that God has no partners.

Hammourabi, I'm going to assume you're trolling, because otherwise the level of your ignorance would make me want to cry and/or punch a babby.

And the babby has done nothing wrong, really. So for the babby's sake, please stop.

So Putin -- give me an interpretation of that passage. (I'm serious...I'd like your thoughts if you are capable of civil discussion and aren't just posting that you be a fucktard)

Black skin is associated with evil, sinfulness. White skin is associated with goodness.

"This is like Scientologists arguing with Mormons about whose religion is more made up."

A terrible analogy. L. Ron Hubbard admitted that Scientology was made up, but many of the early believers in Mormonism who became disenchanted with Joseph Smith continued to adhere to the religion after leaving the LDS Church and reverting to their prior mainline Protestant denominations (and continued to maintain that they had been a witness to some of the miraculous visions that occurred in Smith's presence, much I am sure to the distress of the pastors in their new churches).

Not saying that Mormonism is "the way", but it certainly should be a notch or two above Scientology unless your faith in atheism is illogically unshakable.

"Black skin is associated with evil, sinfulness. White skin is associated with goodness."

Or... the skin of sinners is blackened by soot from the ashes of the eternal fires of hell.

Obviously, the chemical properties of ash that causes it to absorb light is a racist plot!

Really, and do your Moslems have a special kind of ash that whitens skin?

The only 'racist plot' that exists is against whitey, isn't that right?

"Really, and do your Moslems have a special kind of ash that whitens skin?"

No, obviously not. That's why the verse you quoted talks about skin of the damned being darkened. Duh!

It also talks about faces being whitened. Better reregister for your Stormfront Reading Comprehension course.

I'm pretty sure 'Secret Muslims' are not permitted on Stormfront.

Stormfront is all about solidarity with the Arabs against Israel. I'm sure your Messiah could get you in, since he's bffs with Don Black, who doesn't seem to mind the former's sympathy with Moslem causes.. They don't care so long as you sufficiently hate black people & Jews, while nursing the usual litany of white grievances.

Putin -- do you think there is anything significant to a ..forgive this phrasing...a "nuetral" colored people (middle-Easternish...darker skinned, not white, not black...hence my choice of "nuetral") referring to skin color as a reference to good and evil?

Do you think there was a form of racism imbedded in this idea?

Off hand I can't think of any parallel type passage in the Bible. Can you?

"This is like physicists arguing with astrologists about whose religion is more made up."

Astrology *is* made up. Physics is real.

Praise good people.

"Stormfront is all about solidarity with the Arabs against Israel."

So I check out Stormfront to find out if there's any truth behind Putin's claim, and the only remotely relevant thread I could find was this:

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/t685327/

"while the majority of Persians (NOT Iranians, but Persians - there is a difference) do have some Aryan blood running through their veins somewhere in that muddy mess, no they are not Aryan or White. With some of them (a minority of the Persian population) they do look fairly White, but you can always detect that they have some sort of Non-White blood somewhere in the woodpile. At best some of them are very fair looking half and quarter breeds with light complexions. It's a shame, but it's the truth."

Gosh, they can't even find love for the Persians. I'm sure they're wildly enthusiastic about brown-skinned Arabs (I could not find any "Are Arabs White?" threads). Another epic Putin Fail.

This is all an elaborate dodge away from the total failure of reading comprehension by Tolstoy.

And wow, you did one search and came up with nothing, so that must be the case.

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/t880026/
http://www.stormfront.org/forum/t713005/
http://www.stormfront.org/forum/t714630/

Still waiting to hear about face whitening the blessed in the Quran. My guess is I won't get a reply.

Putin33, I like that you attack organised religion and you have many points, but please don't be one of the people who just quote qur'an with no knowledge of Arabic. The Qur'an is very allegorical and stylised and it uses a ton of Arabic idioms that don't come across in translations - which is why Muslims are supposed to read the original Arabic, and people with no knowledge of it should stop fucking quoting passages without any context or commentary. "To have one's face whitening" in Arabic is an idiom meaning that the face gets brighter due to the person's justness or happiness or rightfulness, it's similar to saying in English "His face is glowing". "To have one's face blackening" is the opposite. The verb form is IX, meaning a transition in colour - not the original colour. If you want to read racism into this, if you really think that 7th century Arabs were white supremacists, then you are a fucking moron. No offense.

*Yawn*

You found three threads denouncing Israel for its brutality. I'm still waiting for one proclaiming the kinship between Aryans and Arabs; as you had assured us Stormfront was full of them this should not be the challenge it appears to be.

"Still waiting to hear about face whitening the blessed in the Quran"

Alright. Here are some alternate translations from http://www.multimediaquran.com/quran/003/003-106.htm :

Ahmed Raza Khan: Mohammed Aqib Qadri:
On the Day (of Resurrection) when some faces will be shining and some faces black; so, (to) those whose faces are blackened, "What! You disbelieved after you had accepted faith! Therefore now taste the punishment, the result of your disbelief."

Yusuf Ali:
On the Day when some faces will be (lit up with) white, and some faces will be (in the gloom of) black: To those whose faces will be black, (will be said): "Did ye reject Faith after accepting it? Taste then the penalty for rejecting Faith."

Pickthal:
On the Day when (some) faces will be whitened and (some) faces will be blackened; and as for those whose faces have been blackened, it will be said unto them: Disbelieved ye after your (profession of) belief? Then taste the punishment for that ye disbelieved.

So apparently the reason some faces are whitened and some blackened has to do with lighting. I hate to be the one to break this to you, but when light shines on an object, it appears lighter; when light is blocked from an object, it appears darker. So once again we are back to the original contention - the laws of physics are racist! Tell us, oh enlightened one (oops!) - what should we do about it?

They are/were Arab supremacists, and if you think that's "fucking moronic" then please try chalking up all the overt Arab supremacism and anti-black racism as 'translation errors' in the Hadith & Tafsirs. Also please explain the explicit commands by Mohammed regarding race & slavery. I guess the victims of the Arab slave trade are all 'fucking morons'.

Except you can't wave your hands at the explicit racism of the Moslem tafsirs and hadiths and claim it's all 'translation errors'.

Christian idolatrist pantheists like Mujus have no say in the number of natures God should have. Even the relatively rational Unitarians are mere unclean infidel dogs and should be treated as such.

^^ pwned.