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tendmote (100 D(B))
25 Jan 14 UTC
BEEF GAME Needs one more!
I'm setting up the best Beef Game ever gameID=134413: tendmote vs. strauss, michiganman, lando calrissian, putin33, krellin, and one special guest
If you want to be the final player just let me know and get me or one of the other players to give you the password, "mutethemods"
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Al Swearengen (0 DX)
18 Jan 14 UTC
Live Full Press
Details in a moment

http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=133895
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LSseckman (100 D)
24 Jan 14 UTC
Is this a record?
gameID=132855

Credit to Frenchie 29 being a good sport about prolonging the game to make this happen
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jmo1121109 (3812 D)
25 Jan 14 UTC
Moderator Team Updates
Congratulations to goldfinger0303 for your promotion as the sites newest admin. Captainmeme will be stepping down as an admin due to time constraints, but will still be staying on the team as the vDiplomacy guest moderator to help our two sites stay in contact.
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tendmote (100 D(B))
25 Jan 14 UTC
ADVERTISE YOUR LIVE GAMES HERE
Utilize this thread by posting new live games here and only here.
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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
25 Jan 14 UTC
Wisdom or Rubbish? A Thread for Evaluating Famous One-Line Nuggets of Advice.
Post your favorite--or most hated--one-line maxim or saying or quote or *insert another synonym here.*

The next person to post will then say what they think of your posted saying, ie, Wisdom or Rubbish and why, and post their own little one-liner. Repeat until hell freezes over (or we get bored...or we devolve into a name-calling contest...whichever comes first...ha, as if it's a question which will come first...)
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versanshie (283 D)
25 Jan 14 UTC
Rank falling dramatically
So, one day my rank said that I was in the top 62% and I was considered a member... but then randomly it fell to the top 92% and now I'm a casual player. I didn't draw, win, lose, survive, or resign any games in between this period. Why did this happen?
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Deutschland97 (227 D)
20 Jan 14 UTC
ATTENTION ALL LIBERALS...
If you had to go conservative on any subject of debate, what would it be?
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dD_ShockTrooper (1199 D)
24 Jan 14 UTC
Draws in PPSC
I was wondering to myself why the pot is split evenly in a PPSC draw. I thought it would make more sense, and make things more interesting, if the draw ended the game and dealt out the points each player is currently "worth" in the game.
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ssorenn (0 DX)
16 Jan 14 UTC
SoW for gunboat players
Hamster...have you thought about opening a school for gunboat as it is almost entirely a different strategy?
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Draugnar (0 DX)
24 Jan 14 UTC
LOL Funny!
At least for Star Wars geeks like me it is. Completely safe for work.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyqfHvoUtkU
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NigeeBaby (100 D(G))
19 Jan 14 UTC
Surely not another religious retard
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-25793358

David Cameron causing floods by supporting legislation on gay marriage ..... what a nasty bastard he is !!
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NigeeBaby (100 D(G))
23 Jan 14 UTC
Woman Gang Raped in India
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-25855325

she did a right to appeal ...... I guess not !!
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jmo1121109 (3812 D)
23 Jan 14 UTC
Computer Issue
Anyone know how to fix msvcr80.dll missing errors? I tried re-installing the C++ 2005 Microsoft pack which has it to no avail.
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goldfinger0303 (3157 DMod)
22 Jan 14 UTC
Screw Football, This is more important
Warren Buffet is handing out $1 billion to whoever picks a perfect March Madness Bracket
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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
30 Dec 13 UTC
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NFL Pick 'em--PLAYOFF EDITION...12 TEAMS, 1 GOAL...IT'S THE FINAL COUNTDOWN!
The Chargers are the last team standing in that crazy race for the 6th seed in the AFC. Aaron Rodgers rained all over Da Bears' parade, leading the Pack to victory and setting up another classic Niners/Packers clash...only this time, at Lambeau Field. A typical Cowboys/Eagles clash ended in the typical Cowboy way...but it was Orton throwing the season-ending pick this time. The NFC: SEA, CAR, PHI, GB, SF, NO. The AFC: DEN, NE, CIN, IND, KC, SD. The Playoffs...PICK 'EM!
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orathaic (1009 D(B))
23 Jan 14 UTC
Racism? Biology and Culture.
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/about-thinking/201312/four-simple-reasons-smart-people-shouldnt-believe-in-races
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kaner406 (356 D)
22 Jan 14 UTC
Mars mystery:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-01-22/mars-mystery-white-rock-appears-on-rover-camera/5212640
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tendmote (100 D(B))
20 Jan 14 UTC
Anyone here ever Master anything?
Anyone here ever Master anything? Top of your profession at something?
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orathaic (1009 D(B))
21 Jan 14 UTC
The 7 Deadly Biases
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prPXSRKYi6Y
funny story... the status quo has doomed use all!
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NigeeBaby (100 D(G))
23 Jan 14 UTC
English Defence League
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iK-vRo9ux9o&feature=youtu.be

brilliant......
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thehamster (3263 D)
30 Sep 13 UTC
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The Official Thread for The School of War: Fall 2013
gameID=126887
This is the official thread for professor commentary. This is also a place to ask the professors questions in response to their commentary.
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Hamilton Brian (757 D(B))
14 Jan 14 UTC
That's a great little piece about Russia. As a Dojo of War participant, it was a mistake for me to get involved in that while also being in the School of War (the ill-fated Austria). It really turned in to me, as France, relying on Germany's (can't recall the player) tutelage. I was done and really agreed to be patsy; I learned a lot from them, but haven't seen them on the site since. I do take it personally.

I love the fact about the pre-game plan. I think it's good to have an "idea" but all the communication, or lack of, has to alter that.
Triumvir (1193 D)
14 Jan 14 UTC
Thanks for the write-up, Dyager. Looking forward to hearing from the other TAs and students.
duckofspades (170 D)
14 Jan 14 UTC
I think Dyager nailed it well, I failed to redraw my planes in time.
dyager_nh (619 D)
14 Jan 14 UTC
But 1902 year was a sight to behold!
duckofspades (170 D)
17 Jan 14 UTC
Very true about 1902. Also bump in hope of more write up's. Otherwise thanks to everyone.
A_Tin_Can (2234 D)
17 Jan 14 UTC
I'm working on it :)
Scoggle (234 D)
17 Jan 14 UTC
Same here
RAZ000 (272 D(G))
17 Jan 14 UTC
Work in (slow) progress. :)
mendax (321 D)
17 Jan 14 UTC
Also working on mine.
dyager_nh (619 D)
17 Jan 14 UTC
The professors should begin dropping your grade by 1 deviation for each day you are late
RAZ000 (272 D(G))
17 Jan 14 UTC
Ha ha, wasn't aware they had set a dead line!
I'll cut down on my writing a bit to make it more succinct and timely.
Triumvir (1193 D)
20 Jan 14 UTC
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Another EOG bump.
mendax (321 D)
22 Jan 14 UTC
Hi all,

As Italy’s TA, this will be long, as expected for a power that had decisions to make in every phase. I am also probably the lowest rated TA in terms of all-round play, so I would appreciate any comments regarding my analysis. With that said, let us begin.

Spring 01

Spring ‘01 was largely about finding out where everyone lay. Russia seemed extremely hesitant to move on Austria, which surprised me. I remain unsure how much of it was down to Austrian press, or whether it was largely due to a fear of the professor commentary helping the board rally against any perceived R/T alliance. France agreed to fairly standard DMZs, meaning that there was to be no conflict on that border for quite a while.

Much has been said about the bounce in Trieste, most of it thinking that it was not a good idea for us. I, however, disagree. Before Austria proposed that arrangement, the Venice army was probably going to be holding, so we lost absolutely nothing by bouncing like this. In return, we gained confused professors for the others to read, a pretence of conflict early on where really there was none, and, most importantly, Austrian trust. I do not believe that the stab against Austria would have been nearly so successful had it not been for the bounces arranged in Trieste.

Fall 01

There was still no really interesting press with anyone else apart from Austria, with whom we hinted at a Lepanto with, and continued to bounce in Trieste (for the same reasons as in Spring), and indeed we carried on with the standard Lepanto moves, bounce notwithstanding.

After the moves, Turkey informed us that they were planning a fleet build. Suffice to say that we were not going to dissuade him from that. I was also incredibly surprised to see another bounce in the black sea, and Rumania stand open. At this point Austria started asking for DMZs in Trieste and Venice, which we rejected using the reasoning that there was nothing else useful for Venice to do.

During builds, we did indeed see a Turkish army (yay!) and an army in marseilles (boo!). Then, of course, there is that much-maligned fleet. Whilst it wasn’t expected (and I believe an army would have been more useful), it wasn’t a reason for us to panic. It was, however, an opportunity, as it meant there were only 3 Austrian units that could defend the homeland. Combine that with the fact that we’d built up trust through ‘01, and Turkey wasn’t a threat, and it seemed a good time to consider stabbing. At this point, the stab was planned for fall.

Spring 02

The talk about stabs this phase largely started as a defensive idea regarding the fleet in Trieste. Given that we were considering a stab this year anyway, press was crucial - especially since the fleet build brought it forwards by a phase. With Turkey, we tried to get them to support a Tunis -> Greece move, but the Turks were too concerned about the Russians to want to annoy Austria, so that was not to be either. This left us with only one route if we wanted to move east.

Meanwhile, Austria continued to insist that we vacated Venice, which was both annoying and worrying. The press between us continued to be about a lepanto, but with my student our conversation was far less sunny. A further concern was that the West seemed to be resolving alarmingly quickly, with Germany crumpling and looking like he was going to be the first to go, meaning that if we didn’t speed up the east we had no chance. The final straw, however, was just how insistent Austra was in urging us along his path. It was partly worrying, but also largely just plain annoying.

France gave his reasons for the Marseilles build - that he wanted to move Mar -> Pie -> Tyr, and they were fairly committed to this idea in press with us. This was rejected by us in press, as we didn’t want a French unit hanging around if we were moving East. Alas, that was not to be.

Fall 02

Well, with the exception of France, the previous worked out much better than expected. Not only did Austria move out, but they did so in such a way as to make it impossible to deny us centre number 5. In response, Austria responded with a mixture of flattery and suggestions that made no sense for us. I do not know what this was meant to achieve, so there weren’t many positive messages flowing from us in this direction.

Compliments were due to Russia, I still am not sure how he managed to gain that support.

France moved to Piedmont despite us specifically asking him not to. Thus, we had to cover Venice, just in case of a hero mission. Of course, we also wanted Venice open to build in, hence the double bounce. The convoy was for no bigger reason than the fact that is was just more useful in Apulia.

I expected Austria to take Bulgaria. Not doing so is, I think, just an error.

Wrt builds, the Marseilles fleet. build, in combination with his previous behaviour, led to a deep distrust of France, and this informed the next year’s moves. The other builds/disbands were pretty much as expected.

‘03

This year was an odd one. There was an army sat in Tyrolia that we didn’t expect to be friendly, especially given a fleet in marseilles. This lead to to the strange situation or trying to get France’s help in one part of the board whilst worrying about France in another. This lead to the strange (and, in hindsight, not good) move to Tyrr.

Then came Fall, and whilst the successful Austrian campaign continued, giving two builds, the misjudgement of France also continued. Elsewhere, Germany was finally breaking apart, but since progress in the East was far quicker than the German disintegration that wasn’t really a cause for concern.

‘04

For us, ‘04 was a fairly successful year. We took Serbia in spring, and by giving Turkey support in fall we ensured Turkish peace for a little while. Meanwhile, despite taking Greece, Turkey had made no real progress, and Russia’s problems in the north started to soften him up before we even got there.

Shifting focus back to the west, Germany was somehow still holding on and France had a complete brain-fart in spring. I do not understand what that set of moves was about - it was one of the strangest sets I’ve ever seen. However, we clearly weren’t complaining - by getting Tunis back we had a build, and this allowed us to outnumber France in the south, even if only temporarily. It was around this time that we began to seriously consider a 3-way E/F/I draw, along the lines of that which was possible deep into the endgame.

‘05

In the Spring of 1905, the Austrians were finally eliminated by our (temporary) Turkish friends, whilst we started working on the Russians. Unfortunately, the turks seemed discontent to just subsist off the scraps we threw them, and appeared to want a fight. This would go on to be an important dynamic for a few years to come.

I don’t know why Russia left Warsaw open for us, but I’m certainly glad that they did.

After negotiating a way for Germany to continue to survive, the lack of Bel -> Bur move in spring was extremely disappointing. Fortunately, that was rectified to some degree in fall to keep Germany alive, and thus keep France and England busy there.

Whilst England appeared to be having a lot of success, and the professors thought they were the nation most likely to solo, we certainly thought that with good play an Italian solo was distinctly possible from this position.

Regarding the conflict with France, we predicted GoL -> Tyrr, N. Af S W. Med -> Tunis for Spring, and our Spring moves would have put us into a position to almost certainly regain Tunis in Fall. Unfortunately, this prediction was wrong, and thus we lost Tunis for the year, allowing France an extra fleet. However, it is my belief that this double fleet build is what prompted France’s later problems, by leaving too many weaknesses open for England to exploit.

‘06

In 1906, despite the best efforts of the Tyrolian regiment, we said goodbye to Germany. With the exception of Spring 1905 they’d done remarkably well to keep themselves alive and relevant after a pretty poor start, and should be congratulated on that.

In the Med, we managed to regain control of Tunis in a way that was impregnable from the west, meaning that we could start work on convincing France that they were making no progress, and should turn around.

Turkey continued to take rather ineffectual shots at us in the Balkans, but with a fleet getting to the Aegean they looked ready to be an actual problem and thus much diplomacy was needed over the next year.

Russia’s disbands were disappointing -we’d hoped for Finland to stay alive and Berlin deleted instead - but apart from that they were still existing, and putting up a token resistance to England. In fall, we traded support, and this turned out to be very important for us (and less so for them).

England continued to make progress, but with France building a fleet in Brest it looked like that may be about to change.

‘07

1907 was very, very worrying. France’s moves on England were not the best on a tactical level, and there were some strange moves against us in the middle just to make life more difficult (F Tuscany, anyone?). Meanwhile the lack of French armies meant there was only ever going to be one victor in that war, and hence we needed to take centres to keep up with England.

On top of this, Russia sided permanently with England at this point, tricking us out of Warsaw and leading to a disband in Livonia. Meanwhile, Turkey managed to take another centre and go some way to making our Eastern holdings very, very shaky, though fortunately this came at the cost of having a fleet in Bulgaria.

Furthermore, England’s armies were poised to break France completely open, and they lost nothing from the French stab. All in all, it was not looking good.

‘08

Spring 1908 was another failure of prediction for us - in not predicting Bulgaria -> Aegean we effectively wasted a phase in our attack against Turkey. Meanwhile France decided to hold all the southern fleets for some unknown reason, and Turkey continued to press from the north. Russia was still here.

Come Fall, however, and things began to look up. Turkish errors allowed us Bulgaria, and the fleets finally got going. This gave us another army, which was vital in holding our lines. France finally got their fleets moving somewhere useful as well, and they did remarkably well to only lose one centre given their distinct lack of firepower on the mainland. Russia remained on the board.

‘09

1909 felt like a great victory in both diplomacy and prediction, in spring and fall respectively. By selling fears of an English solo, Turkey was convinced to move away, leaving a golden opportunity to finally break through. The new army could immediately be put into action against England, leaving little danger there.

I feel like leaving Bulgaria open was possibly the bravest move of the game, and it’s certainly the one I’m most proud of. Whilst there was some hedging with a fleet in Greece, I just feel that the empty centre looks really cute :)

I’m going to roll the rest of the game up with a few general comments, as beyond this we were practically playing gunboat, with the exception of trying to remain friendly to France.

Whilst leaving only one fleet helping out France in the West was risky, we believed that we’d be able to get a build quickly enough that we could build another to help out. This turned out to be correct - although France lost MAO - we were there in time to make sure England couldn’t go any further.

In Spring 1911, things began to get a little messy between us and England. We missed a opportunity to get France into Munich, but ended up in Silesia instead, with possibilities of breaking through the the northern side of the stalemate line and causing some problems. Fortunately, England was still completely focussed on the French, and thus didn’t take advantage of the weaknesses in Bohemia and Tyrolia.

By Spring 1912, we’d guaranteed a wrap-up of Turkey, and regained Galicia. Combined with the fact we’d got a unit into Prussia, and the ongoing Anglo-French war, and paths to a solo were on the mind. Certainly over the messy year we’d made considerable progress, and although the professors were looking at Marseilles, I believed that there was a chance that France would fight on long enough to leave Munich and Berlin weak. Perhaps this was not as good idea as it seemed, but for what it’s worth it worked.

It’s a common phrase in chess that if you’re in a better strategic position when you go into complications, you should be in a better position when you come out of them. Given that the tactics were on our side of the stalemate line, I felt that we should be able to work a mess into our favour, and thus we were looking for opportunities to break up the lines. This is also why in Fall 1912 we went for popping Bohemia off the board, and drawing England into a more extended position with less units in the East. This guaranteed us Munich (which we should never have had, and largely have France to thank for it), but the taking of Munich in 1913 was, I believe, the final factor that convinced France and England to make peace and work on trying to stop us.

By this point we were completely gunboating - England kept trying to send messages but only succeeded in being annoying, to the point were A_Tin_Can and I considered muting him. A couple more tactical guesses, and we had victory.

I apologise for how long this took to write up, and welcome any questions - there’s probably a lot of stuff I missed here because there was so much going on in this game for us, as well as it being my first full EoG.
RAZ000 (272 D(G))
22 Jan 14 UTC
Great write up! Looking forward to reading A_Tin_Can's as well. Still working on mine.
thehamster (3263 D)
23 Jan 14 UTC
Hey Mendax
Great writeup. I read it all.
I have to agree that the initial bounce in Venice was stupid for Austria, but apparently it served Italy quite well.

I'll self-servingly point out that I raised the possibility of an Italian solo back in Spring '06, so thanks for making it happen and making me look smart.

Also, feel free to challenge me to a chess game on chess.com. My tag is 'affixlabelhere'. I rate about 1600.
mendax (321 D)
23 Jan 14 UTC
Thanks - I'm assuming you mean the bounce in Trieste. I felt that it had to be good for us because Italy can be played slowly, whereas Austria can't really.

I'm glad to be of service in making you look smart - if only all of my (rare) victories were that well received...

I can't quite find you on there, but I'm hypertroll on there (I know it's a ridiculous name, I was 13), and would be happy to play you.

mendax (321 D)
23 Jan 14 UTC
Sorry, i misread what site you were talking about, I'll look on chess.com for you now.


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redhouse1938 (429 D)
22 Jan 14 UTC
Syria convention in Montreux
I wonder if there is sufficient unity between outside powers to be able to influence the Syrian actors. This and more: discuss.
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krellin (80 DX)
21 Jan 14 UTC
Jobs for Dance Monkeys...
Hey all you fine, well-meaning Libtard Dance Monkeys and welfare bums (and you know who you are...). Have we got a deal for YOU! J-O-B-S...that's right, employment fully suited to your intellectual capacities. Step right up...

http://www.myfoxdc.com/story/24506147/kentucky-bill-would-let-service-monkeys-help-paralyzed-people#axzz2r3wv8WwA
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krellin (80 DX)
21 Jan 14 UTC
"I love Bill clinton"
http://news.investors.com/Politics-Andrew-Malcolm/012014-686774-barbara-bush-bill-clinton-cspan.htm?ven=rss

Awesome -- there's a woman of integrity. I totally agree with her - have always thought Clinton would be an awesome guy to hang with...even if his politics sucked.
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tmchandler5 (100 D)
21 Jan 14 UTC
Need a few more, new Classic Game
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=134130
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jhoffer007 (100 D)
19 Jan 14 UTC
How is it decided who plays what country in the beggining?
Sorry im new
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nesdunk14 (635 D)
21 Jan 14 UTC
New Classic Game: Players Needed!
gameID=134114 amateurs only please.
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ssorenn (0 DX)
19 Jan 14 UTC
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+1
what does the +1 mean under peoples names in the threads mean?
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ssorenn (0 DX)
19 Jan 14 UTC
gunboat non-anon
it just dawned on me(duh) that if you play gunboat non-anon you can still send PM's to people...going against the actual rules---Is there a way to stop this?
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