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gamer5432121 (100 D)
11 Jan 13 UTC
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Quitting a Game
Can you quit a game?
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bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
10 Jan 13 UTC
Opening This Can of Worms Again...
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/high-school-shooting-taft-california-183012601.html

What now? A school shooting? One that could have easily been prevented? Wow. Amazin', ain't it? Whatcha gonna do, America?
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Mapu (362 D)
11 Jan 13 UTC
One more scoundrel needed
Are you slick of tongue and dastardly of intent? Do you possess thickness of skin and coldness of heart?
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SantaClausowitz (360 D)
10 Jan 13 UTC
President's Executive Order
So the president is mulling an Exec order to address gun issues, what do you think it will look like and can it be done constitutionally?
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bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
09 Jan 13 UTC
The 'Roiders
BARRY BONDS, ROGER CLEMENS, *AND* SAMMY SOSA ALL SUCK. THAT'S WHY YOU DON'T DO PEDs, KIDS

Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens, Sammy Sosa ... their combined voting percentage would just barely squeak by to get them into the HoF. Good day for sports.
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Jamiet99uk (873 D)
07 Jan 13 UTC
Wealthy US entrepreneur calls for higher taxes for the rich.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKCvf8E7V1g

Discuss.
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gamer5432121 (100 D)
09 Jan 13 UTC
Post Live Games Here
Post your live game here please.
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Yonni (136 D(S))
07 Jan 13 UTC
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WebDip Awards
In TGM's absence, I've taken a quick look at the numbers and...
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abgemacht (1076 D(G))
05 Jan 13 UTC
webDip Book Club
I just picked up a copy of Silver's The Signal and the Noise. Anyone interested in a webDip book club?
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demmahom (100 D)
08 Dec 12 UTC
3-word game
Ok, so we make a story but we can only use 3 words each and you cannot post directly after your post; only when somebody else has made a post after you post, then you can post again. Just make the story last a long time and be creative!

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Conservative Man (100 D)
09 Jan 13 UTC
Is it irrational to think that I can't be an engineering or computer science major
because I struggled to get a B in calculus last semester and so far this semester I failed my first test and have an F?
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dubmdell (556 D)
09 Jan 13 UTC
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When drunk, best and worst
Best: play SNES, for reals, not emulator.
Worst: send diplomacy messages.

You?
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Sbyvl36 (439 D)
09 Jan 13 UTC
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Is there a Libertarian around?
Is there a libertarian here? I'd like to discuss violations of the Constitution.
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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
09 Jan 13 UTC
Krellin...Did You Appear On Piers Morgan Recently? xD
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=AtyKofFih8Y#!
I kid (though for as much of an ass as I am you DO sound a bit like that sometimes, Krellin) but WOW...that was hysterical. xD Pro-gun people...see, it's people like this that make gun control people eye you and your position as if you've said something so ludicrous as...as, well, "1776 will commence again!" xD When of two people, Piers Morgan is the less self-righteous one in the room...!
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abgemacht (1076 D(G))
07 Jan 13 UTC
Windows 8
I'm there making of upgrading my laptop to Win8 while the sale is still on. Does anyone have it yet? Thoughts?
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Dharmaton (2398 D)
06 Nov 12 UTC
WAT? * Word Association Thread * -
Add your input of this long long sentence!

1. ' Bounce '
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Hoffsauce (0 DX)
10 Jan 13 UTC
Parameter 'fromTerrID' set to invalid value '22'.
For some reason, this message pops up when a intend to convoy an army and it looks as if it can happen!
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djakarta97 (358 D)
04 Jan 13 UTC
Publishing Help
I recently finished an essay on the geopolitical threat posed by China to the United States and I wanted to get it published on the Internet (preferably on a newspaper and not a blog). Do you guys know any ways of getting this done?
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Yonni (136 D(S))
08 Jan 13 UTC
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Windows 7 Validation
I just formatted my computer with a pirated copy of Win7 which I've used before. However, this time I've been prompted that I'm using a counterfeit copy and need to validate it. Before I d/l a random crack - any suggestions?
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chluke (12292 D(G))
06 Jan 13 UTC
Lots of "Left Games"? Offer buy-in discount on left games?
I've noticed lots of games with where players have left. Would it make sense to offer discounted bets to join "left games" to make it more enticing and faster to fill "left games", such as a 25-50% discount? I'm new here, so maybe left games are not a concern to experienced players?
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abgemacht (1076 D(G))
09 Jan 13 UTC
Game Clock
Reinstalled my OS and now the Clocks in all my games are messed up. What do people usually do to fix this?
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NigeeBaby (100 D(G))
09 Jan 13 UTC
Gift of Friendship
One day, when I was a freshman in high school, I saw a kid from my class was walking home from school. His name was Kyle.
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Stressedlines (1559 D)
09 Jan 13 UTC
VEGETARIAN diet
sooo.
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kol_panic (100 D)
07 Jan 13 UTC
Register for the Diplomacy World Cup
Thank you Kestas for Permission to Post... Registration for the 3rd DWC is officially open at http://aqmn.asciiking.com/ Please register now or contact [email protected] with questions. Thank you, Chris Babcock, TD.
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Lando Calrissian (100 D(S))
08 Jan 13 UTC
Admins around?
Abgemacht, fortknox, TGM, whomever else. Or mods not named jmo.

Please check the mod e-mail. Urgent request has been sent needs to be dealt with in about 12 hours max. Thanks.
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achillies27 (100 D)
06 Jan 13 UTC
New 1 day phase PPSC!
I'm tired of all the stress from WTA... I'm flexible on bet size, as you could see, 1 day phase PPSC- semi anon/ non anon ( you guys can vote :)
Post here if interested, and put down your preferred bet size and non anon or (semi) anon.
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SYnapse (0 DX)
07 Jan 13 UTC
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In Defence of North Korea
With the recent successful missile test of the state of North Korea, many casual viewers of Korean affairs may wonder what motivates the relentless aggressive foreign policy of an impoverished and struggling third-world country. Why does the North continue to spend vast amounts on a nuclear and ICBM programme while large swathes of its populace are in starvation?
SYnapse (0 DX)
07 Jan 13 UTC
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Why does it continue to antagonise large, Western powers into tougher economic sanctions and less political freedom? And why does it continually alienate itself from the international community, such as with the shooting of four Chinese citizens in 2010 on the North Korean border with Liaoning province?

To understand these seemingly irrational actions, we need to look beyond the series of pampered dictators that take the brunt of international criticism . It is obvious to see that the late Kim Jong-il had less power in the Democratic People’s Republic than his father, Kim Il-Sung, who is still revered as the immortal “Eternal Leader”, and yet the country continued in the same fashion as it did before his death in 1994.Rather, North Korea has been, and remains, a party-led country. Just as the Queen may be the international ‘face’ of the United Kingdom, the Kims of North Korea make public appearances, waving the ecstatic crowds into frenzy with their national celebrity status, but they do not hold all of the strings of political power.

When the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea was formed in 1950, the North had been subject to more U.S. bombing than the entire Pacific Theatre of World War II. Many thousands, (possibly hundreds of thousands) of suspected Communists were slaughtered during the Bodo League massacre. And on top of this, President Truman announced in a November press conference his “active consideration” of the usage of nuclear weapons. China’s “Aid Korea to Resist America” campaign boosted the morale of communists in the country, and anti-American sentiment rose as an inevitable result of the proxy-war between the two powers.

Kim il-Sung’s government began as a pro-Soviet entity with Communist ambitions. Yet from 1956 onwards, he led the North Korean people away from traditional Stalinism towards his own Juche ideology. Like Josip Tito, he found support in an non-Soviet independence movement, allied neither completely with the U.S.S.R. nor with China. His anti-imperialism philosophies ignited the people against U.S. ideology, fuelled by their hatred of the Imperial Japanese as a historical example of the evils that superpowers can bring upon small, defenceless countries.

It is important to understand that change has come very slowly within North Korea, and the traditions set in place by Kim il-Sung’s reign have been difficult to erode. Like Israelis, North Koreans hold regular defensive drills, taking their children to underground bunkers in case of an impending nuclear attack. North Koreans have seen what has happened to the other countries opposed to the U.S., Iraq and Afghanistan, and what potentially awaits their own country if they let down their guard. The nuclear ambitions of the North Korean government are hailed by the ordinary citizen as the only effective deterrent to a world superpower, especially one which has threatened to use nuclear weapons upon it in the past (not to mention the only one which has actually used them.)

Whether it is due to the mechanisms of propaganda or not, North Koreans are fiercely proud of their small state. Along with Iran, they are one of the only surviving nations that are ideologically opposed to capitalist expansion, and they recognise that the only way to continue this survival is through increased military strength. They have witnessed numerous authoritarian governments in neighbouring South Korea through the 70's and 80's, meaning that the strikingly obvious difference in living conditions between the two from our perspective does little to ease their overwhelming concerns of Western capitalist imperialism. The North Koreans have formed a very isolationist philosophy toward foreign interference; better to have their own dictators than one implanted by a foreign power.

North Korean nuclear breakthroughs are therefore more of an inevitability than a potential outcome; and yet the U.N. continue to attempt to thwart this steady progression toward a point of no return for the peninsula, and impose greater economic sanctions on a country which is already struggling to feed it’s people. Such continued pressure upon a country only leads it’s people to greater extremism and alienation. The North Koreans, through a mixture of bad history and political indoctrination, would rather starve than face the threat of extinction, from which they see nuclear power as the only effective safeguard.

Perhaps a more important question than why the DPRK continues to alienate itself from the international community is why the international community accepts this outcome. We should be asking at this stage how the developed world can deny nuclear power to a country which famously cannot be seen from space at night due to it’s lack of electricity. We should be asking why the international community continues to punish the people of a nation for the behaviours of it’s ruling party, and in doing so reinforces their determination toward increasing military strength Perhaps in a supervisory role, Western diplomatic involvement could help the North Koreans develop safer nuclear technology and prevent their weaponisation. And by helping the North Koreans integrate into the international community instead of pushing them away from it, we could lead Korea towards a more stable future rather than leaving Reunification as the only goal for the next generation of propaganda-bred North Koreans.
krellin (80 DX)
07 Jan 13 UTC
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"North Koreans are fiercely proud of their small state. Along with Iran, they are one of the only surviving nations that are ideologically opposed to capitalist expansion, and they recognise that the only way to continue this survival is through increased military strength."
"better to have their own dictators than one implanted by a foreign power."

vs.

"We should be asking at this stage how the developed world can deny nuclear power to a country which famously cannot be seen from space at night due to it’s lack of electricity. We should be asking why the international community continues to punish the people of a nation for the behaviours of it’s ruling party, and in doing so reinforces their determination toward increasing military strength Perhaps in a supervisory role, Western diplomatic involvement could help the North Koreans develop safer nuclear technology and prevent their weaponisation"



Did you even consider the contradiction of your own suggestion? Why don't we give them nuclear technology? Because, by your argument, they will reject any outside world influence to "join the community of nations" (my words) and use it for their own perverted purposes. Why don't we feed them? Because then it allows them to spend even less on necessities so they can spend more on ill-intended ends.

Yes...why don't we just drop our guard to the street bully, open our wallet next time we pass him (flashing a load of cash at him...) and give him $2 and ask him not to bear us up and rob our lunch money any more?

North Korea is the bully, in case you don't understand that, and appeasement has *not* worked - pay-off have not and will not work.

Cute essay...unrealistic, naive conclusion...
Sorry, fundamentally disagree with some anxioms of this.

ICBMs != Nuclear power. Dude, not the same ballpark.

And I know quite a few governments in SEA and LATAM which would take offence that DPRK is the only country opposing capitalism. And each one of those demonstrate that there are better ways of getting the socialist point across than starving your population while you sip Dom Perignon and casually launch missiles over your neighbors territory.

Not even the same fucking sport (spot the movie).
FlemGem (1297 D)
07 Jan 13 UTC
"why the international community continues to punish the people of a nation for the behaviours of it’s ruling party"

Misplaced responsibility. It is the ruling party that is punishing its people. They could make the suffering stop today if they wanted to. They're doing what they do because they enjoy controlling other people and living as the 1%. If we want to blame someone in the international community, I'd say China would be a pretty good candidate. They enjoy the leverage N.Korea gives them against the world.
krellin (80 DX)
07 Jan 13 UTC
Nuclear energy does not equal weapons...sure, if you want to be so naive as to think N Korea would *only* use this new-found boon for good and noble purposes. sigh...

What the hell do you think fuels reactors? And Bombs? "Oh...if we only give him bullets and no guns...nothing bad can happen..."

http://www.nirs.org/factsheets/plutbomb.htm
http://www.neis.org/literature/Brochures/weapcon.htm
dipplayer2004 (1310 D)
07 Jan 13 UTC
Brazen attempt to defend in the indefensible.
hecks (164 D)
07 Jan 13 UTC
A provocative thesis, I suspect designed to be so. However, it proposes to consider the question of whether to allow North Korea nuclear research while ignoring the more immediate question of whether to engage North Korea diplomatically. I would argue that the policy of setting the termination of enrichment as a prerequisite to bilateral diplomatic talks is counterproductive, and that we should instead be demonstrating to North Korea that there are benefits to rejoining the international community.
Your argument seems to present a false dichotomy between allowing North Korea nuclear research and not allowing it. The fact is that right now the US is doing neither; it's refusing to discuss the issue, which I consider the least productive of all options.
Yellowjacket (835 D(B))
07 Jan 13 UTC
This sums up pretty well my thoughts on the matter.

Let them try it....



http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/501802
redhouse1938 (429 D)
07 Jan 13 UTC
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"The nuclear ambitions of the North Korean government are hailed by the ordinary citizen as the only effective deterrent to a world superpower, especially one which has threatened to use nuclear weapons upon it in the past (not to mention the only one which has actually used them.)"

"The North Koreans, through a mixture of bad history and political indoctrination, would rather starve than face the threat of extinction, from which they see nuclear power as the only effective safeguard."

I think this article depends rather heavily on what the author believes the "people" of North Korea think and feel. Frankly, we don't know what they think and feel and probably even talking to most of the N-Koreans directly won't reveal anything about what they really think and feel, and which things they would be willing to starve for.
Fasces349 (0 DX)
07 Jan 13 UTC
tl;dr
redhouse1938 (429 D)
07 Jan 13 UTC
ow fasces u r so cool and awsome u dont read long articles ur life must be so cool and GET THE FUCK OUT IF YOU DON'T READ THE DAMN OP.
Invictus (240 D)
07 Jan 13 UTC
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I guess Putin33's multi-accounting now.
Bitemenow10 (100 D)
07 Jan 13 UTC
you could ask the same thing about america, why continue investing in an already inflated defense budget when millions are out of work? simply put the government in general is not responsible for your well being (or atleast they dont think they are)
Yellowjacket (835 D(B))
07 Jan 13 UTC
Invictus, this is actually much better than Putin, at least it isn't trying to say NK is a democracy of any sort.
redhouse1938 (429 D)
07 Jan 13 UTC
YJ this is quite dangerous. At least Putin can, from time to time, be trapped by forcing him to say NK is a democracy, that Jacob Zuma is turning his home into a hospital and what not, somebody who is actually being honest about the situation... tricky! :D
orathaic (1009 D(B))
07 Jan 13 UTC
Clearly the Chinese and other allied neighbours, maybe the South Koreans and Japanese should reverse their economic sanctions, instead of banning the sale of goods they should over-value the north korean currency allowing the sale of huge quantities of food, tech, information, (but not weapons, an arms embargo could be a great idea) - broadcast a nation-wide satellite internet signal to integrate the population into a global community... And just see what happens.
Al Swearengen (0 DX)
08 Jan 13 UTC
@original poster

This is some of the best analysis of DPRK policy I've yet seen from a layperson. My hat is off to you.


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ckroberts (3548 D)
08 Jan 13 UTC
Longer phase
My new schedule encourages me to try longer phase games; any suggestions?
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rapey (0 DX)
08 Jan 13 UTC
Quick game time - yes it's not in the right thread BUT YOU NEED TO SEE THIS!!!
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=107906
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sgs (127 D)
06 Jan 13 UTC
Haiku diplomacy for the new year
I played once on the FB version a game with public diplomacy where the only rule was that all communication had to be in haiku (5-7-5).
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