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NigeeBaby (100 D(G))
06 Dec 12 UTC
"He's been a conservative rock star”
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-20628992
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Tolstoy (1962 D)
06 Dec 12 UTC
Edi Birsan sworn in as Concord City Council member
http://concord-ca.patch.com/articles/video-edi-birsan-and-dan-helix-sworn-into-concord-city-council#video-12455653
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NigeeBaby (100 D(G))
06 Dec 12 UTC
More important legislation passed in the U.S.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-20628988
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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
06 Dec 12 UTC
Sherlock Wants Vengeance...FROM CAPTAIN KIRK (Star Trek Trailer!)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=diP-o_JxysA

Thoughts, anyone? (I'd almost say it sounds like they're doing the first Trek episode with Kirk, "Where No Man Has Gone Before" and just making Gary Mitchell British...hmmm...)
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NigeeBaby (100 D(G))
06 Dec 12 UTC
Can someone please explain....
...... someone gets banned for being a 'multi', but do all of the accounts get banned or just the extra 'multiple' accounts?
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bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
02 Dec 12 UTC
Ghost Rating
I'm going to be the asshole that posts a thread in anticipation. *sits and stares*
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Dharmaton (2398 D)
03 Dec 12 UTC
Is anyone here into Assembly programming language?
PM me, Thx!
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redhouse1938 (429 D)
06 Dec 12 UTC
So I have this $4500 fine to pay for a minor violation of the traffic code
I was wondering if anybody happened to get a bonus at work on top of his usual take home pay for the mid month check...
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President Eden (2750 D)
06 Dec 12 UTC
Guys what do we do about Syria
They're being a bunch of meanieheads. We should nuke them. Thoughts?
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President Eden (2750 D)
06 Dec 12 UTC
iln what does your initials stands four
^^
im curius
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2ndWhiteLine (2611 D(B))
06 Dec 12 UTC
The Evil Dead
If its so "evil" to be dead, why do we punish them by killing them again? Such hypocrisy!
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TheMinisterOfWar (553 D)
06 Dec 12 UTC
Hypothesis: Humans are by nature moral creatures
http://ow.ly/fRFZJ

Discuss!
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ILN (100 D)
06 Dec 12 UTC
bill 115
My fa**** teachers at school are on strike. All the fault of the stupid liberals, who caused the mess in canada, the unions who supported them, and now those same unions who oppose them after they decide to "fix" their mistakes, and come up with bill 115. http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/windsor/story/2012/11/29/teachers-union-bill-pupatello-mpp-education.html

http://www.citytv.com/toronto/citynews/news/local/article/239160--faq-bill-115-teachers-job-action
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Gen. Lee (7588 D(B))
06 Dec 12 UTC
EOG: Live Dipcy
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taylornottyler (100 D)
05 Dec 12 UTC
Keep On Gunboating
gameID=105753


My comeback game
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Jamiet99uk (873 D)
03 Dec 12 UTC
Genuine religious question -
I have a serious question for people who believe in a benevolent creator god - see below.
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Sicarius (673 D)
04 Dec 12 UTC
Thesis #1/30 : Diversity is the primary good.
Would like your thoughts on this essay. If it's a good discussion there will be more to follow.
Sicarius (673 D)
04 Dec 12 UTC
Humans are social animals, and also capable of abstract, independent thought. The combination requires some form of social standards. Bees think with a single hive mind, and solitary animals do not encounter one another often enough to require a rigid system of morality and ethics. Without social norms, however, human society would break down. We have evolved in such societies, and require other humans to live. A single human, on his own, has little chance of survival.

Some rules are nearly universal, such as the injunction against murder. Society cannot long endure if everyone is murdering one another. Other taboos are less common; theft, for example, is generally found only in those societies where resources are limited in some regard. Rules of morality and ethics vary widely from culture to culture, adapted to given circumstances. Our ethics and morality are another means we have of adapting to new and different environments.

Basic rules of behavior are required for our survival, and conscience is an adaptation we have evolved to continue our existence. Such a conscience must at once be deeply felt, and culturally constructed. It must be adapted to those rules, taboos, and guidelines a given society requires in a given place and time, but be too deeply felt to be ignored. The human brain is incredibly malleable, made to be adapted to the cultural context it finds itself in. Enculturation is a powerful process which should never be underestimated. What you learn as a child can never be completely shaken; it becomes an inextricable part of who you are, as intrinsic to your being as your DNA.

As necessary as ethics may be, that does not make them correct. Nor does the depth of our conviction. I, like most Westerners, feel a very strong revulsion at the thought of pedophilia, for example. Yet, in the cultural context of the Etoro, the Marind-ani, and 10–20% of all Melanesian tribes [1], it is the only acceptable form of sex. While I cringe at the thought, I have no argument that it is “wrong” beyond my gut feeling of disgust — a result of my enculturation. As much as I prefer monogamous, heterosexual relationships, it was monogamous heterosexuals who committed the Holocaust. There is no similar act in Melanesian history.

The arbitrary nature of such ethical rules led many of our early ancestors to posit the final authority for such decrees with divine will. This is good and that is not because the gods said so, end of story. This made things nice, neat and easy. In the early days of polytheism, this worked nicely. Worshippers of Apollo and Ra alike could live in peace with one another. Most polytheists were willing to accept the gods of another as equally real as their own pantheon. Religious wars and intolerance were quite uncommon; after all, what’s one more god? Early religion was inextricably bound to politics, and so ancient states would enforce worship of the state gods — often including the emperor or king — alongside one’s own gods. Usually, this was not a problem; again, what’s one more god? Even monolatry — the worship of a single god, amidst the acknowledgement of many — was not much of a problem. Ra is my god and Apollo is yours, but we’re both worshipping the sun. I worship the ocean, and you worship the harvest, but both are equally real.

It was the emergence of monotheism that first posed a serious challenge. If only one god exists, then all other gods are false. If this is also combined with a charitable disposition towards the rest of mankind, crusades, missionaries, and other attempts to save the heathens from their error ensue. In a world where morality is determined by the will of the gods, such a conflict comes to a head.

If morality follows from divine will, are there no ethics for atheists? And what of the heathens? Yet, these individuals still have pangs of conscience as acute — and sometimes more — than their monotheistic cousins. This led to many philosophers trying to find some other basis for ethics, besides divine will. Such philosophies generally come in one of three types.

The first harks back to the old days of the divine will; deontological ethics [2] focuses on duties we are required to either fulfill or refrain from. The seminal figure of this school is Immanuel Kant, who formulated the categorical imperative. Kant argued that an act is ethical if it could be done by everyone without breaking down society. This was later refined by Sir David Ross [3] with his prima facie values — things that simply are good without question. Individual acts can then be judged by how well they comply to those values. The past fifty years have seen the re-emergence of “virtues,” as found in ancient philosophy. The four Stoic virtues of temperence, fortitude, justice and prudence work in a manner similar to Ross’s values — acts may be judged by how well they cling to these virtues.

Both of these systems share the same flaw as the ancient systems of ethics; they cannot exist apart from divine revelation. Even if there is such a god handing down such ethical systems, how can we ever be sure which of us has the “true” revelation? Every culture has different values, virtues, morals and ethics. Each believes that its way is the right way. Simply reiterating that position is not sufficient, and all claims to the superiority of one’s own scripture require one to first accept the superiority of one’s own scripture.

Unlike the foregoing systems, however, consequentialist ethics like John Stuart Mill’s [4] theory of Utilitarianism [5] do the best job of creating an ethical system independent of divine powers. Utilitarianism tries to maximize the utility — roughly, the “happiness” — of all parties involved. An action is “right” insofar as it makes everyone more satisfied, more happy, than they were before. This is not simple hedonism, as the welfare of all must be considered — your family, your friends, your society. Sitting at home tripping on acid is not an ethical action in Utilitarianism, for as much as it may raise your own utility, it carries with it a slight negative impact on everyone in the form of your support for a global network of drug dealers and smugglers connected to various forms of crime, oppression and terrorism.

Utilitarianism is often disparaged in philosophical circles, with counter-examples as the following. Take a thousand people, and some magical means of measuring utility numerically. One of them is extremely annoying. Killing him would drop his own utility from its current “100” to zero, while raising everyone else’s from “100” to “101.” That means that the overall effect of utility would be 999–100=899. Ergo, killing annoying people is a very good thing!

Obviously, Utilitarianism needs some other goal that mere “happiness,” but what? Once again, we run up against the wall of needing to decipher the divine will. Everyone has their own ideas, beliefs, dogmas and scriptures. How can we possibly know what the gods desire of us?

Perhaps one good start is to stop pouring over the texts they supposedly inspired, and instead look to the only thing we know for certain came from them (if they exist at all): the world around us. It turns out the universe has been screaming a single, consistent value at us from the beginning of time.

From a single, undifferentiated point of energy, the universe unfolded into hundreds of elements, millions of compounds, swirling galaxies and complexity beyond human comprehension. The universe has not simply become more complex; that is simply a side-effect of its drive towards greater diversity.

So, too, with evolution. We often speak of evolution couched in terms of progress and increasing complexity. There is, however, a baseline of simplicity. From there, diversity moves in all directions. If evolution inspired complexity, then all life would be multi-celled organisms of far greater complexity than us. Instead, most organisms are one-celled, simple bacteria — yet, staggeringly diverse. As organisms become more complex, they become less common. The graph is not a line moving upwards — it is a point expanding in all directions save one, where it is confined to a baseline of simplicity. From our perspective, we can mistake it for “progress” towards some complex goal, but this is an illusion. Evolution is about diversity.

Physics and biology speak in unison on this point; if there are gods, then the one thing they have always, consistently created is diversity. No two galaxies quite alike; no two stars in those galaxies quite alike; no two worlds orbiting those stars quite alike; no two species on those worlds quite alike; no two individuals in those species quite alike; no two cells in those individuals quite alike; no two molecules in those cells quite alike; no two atoms in those molecules quite alike. That is the pre-eminent truth of our world. That is the one bit of divine will that cannot be argued, because it is not mediated by any human author. It is all around us, etched in every living thing, every atom of our universe. The primacy of diversity is undeniable.

With that, we can suppose another form of consequentialist ethics, like Mill’s Utilitarianism, but with a different measure of “good.” It is not happiness, but diversity that should be our measure. Diversity of life, of thought, of action.

So, killing the annoying person becomes “bad”; as annoying as he is, he adds diversity to the group. Nor does this give license to everything under the cause of increasing diversity. Our own civilization is a unique data point, but its existence requires the expansion of its markets and influence. It gobbles up other cultures to create new customers. Though it is itself another point of diversity, it requires many other points to be sacrificed. Its overall effect, like sitting at home on acid, is profoundly negative.
abgemacht (1076 D(G))
04 Dec 12 UTC
Author and Works Cited, please.
Jason Godesky
Sicarius (673 D)
04 Dec 12 UTC
Yes it is by jason godesky, though I fail to see how that is relevant.
I think Abge is aware of your propensity to take other people's work and pass it off as your own, and your defense of the practice. Then again you didn't do that anywhere here so I don't see the problem, its not like others cite their sources on this forum.
abgemacht (1076 D(G))
04 Dec 12 UTC
"Yes it is by jason godesky, though I fail to see how that is relevant."

Yes, I know you don't. In any case, I was more interested in the Works Cited to see some of the references.

I thought it was interesting, but I think there is at least one serious flaw. The fact that Monotheism is more prone to violence than Polytheism. Godesky gives an overly simplistic example involving various sun gods, but it's not really backed up by anything. Is this statement really true, that people fought over their gods less when there were more of them? Is there data to back this up?
Octavious (2701 D)
04 Dec 12 UTC
I'm pretty sure there is an infinite number of stars out there which are damned near identical to each other. Same goes for the cold barren lumps of rock that orbit around them. We are in one of the unbelievibly few areas of the universe that are remotely interesting.

Still, as the writer claims that no two individuals are alike we can go ahead and kill the annoying one safe in the knowledge that we will still have plenty of diversity. Happy days :)
abgemacht (1076 D(G))
04 Dec 12 UTC
Also, I suppose I understand the need for poetic licence, but this is just wrong:

"no two atoms in those molecules quite alike."
Abge asks for sources then goes and makes up facts. How on gods(') green earth do you prove that monotheism is more prone to violence than polytheism?
abgemacht (1076 D(G))
04 Dec 12 UTC
What facts did I make up? The article *claims* monotheism is more prone to violence than polytheism. It gives no source for such a thing. I was questioning the validity of that claim by the author.
misread
abgemacht (1076 D(G))
04 Dec 12 UTC
I am challenging this claim:

"In the early days of polytheism, this worked nicely. Worshippers of Apollo and Ra alike could live in peace with one another. Most polytheists were willing to accept the gods of another as equally real as their own pantheon. Religious wars and intolerance were quite uncommon; after all, what’s one more god? Early religion was inextricably bound to politics, and so ancient states would enforce worship of the state gods — often including the emperor or king — alongside one’s own gods. Usually, this was not a problem; again, what’s one more god? Even monolatry — the worship of a single god, amidst the acknowledgement of many — was not much of a problem. Ra is my god and Apollo is yours, but we’re both worshipping the sun. I worship the ocean, and you worship the harvest, but both are equally real.

It was the emergence of monotheism that first posed a serious challenge. If only one god exists, then all other gods are false. If this is also combined with a charitable disposition towards the rest of mankind, crusades, missionaries, and other attempts to save the heathens from their error ensue. In a world where morality is determined by the will of the gods, such a conflict comes to a head."

The author gives no data to back up this claim and then relies heavily on his fact-by-assertion to prove his thesis. Why are you upset I called attention to this, Santa?
abgemacht (1076 D(G))
04 Dec 12 UTC
@Santa

Sorry, Cross Post, feel free to disregard my last sentence.

However, I think the author's claim should be addressed, as it's critical to his overall argument.
abgemacht (1076 D(G))
04 Dec 12 UTC
Also, I'd like to call more attention to this claim:

"It is all around us, etched in every living thing, every atom of our universe. The primacy of diversity is undeniable."

The building blocks of the universe are, in fact, not very diverse at all. There are only about a dozen to a dozen dozen, depending on how you look at it. Despite such a lack of diversity at the quantum level, the universe produces an infinite amount of variety. How does that support the author's thesis? The Universe doesn't appear to be mandating diversity as the author claims; just the opposite, in fact.
bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
04 Dec 12 UTC
I think there have been numerous religious battles in both polytheism and monotheism. I would assume though that he is intending to refer to the result of these wars, in which monotheism forces conformity to another higher power while polytheism has the potential to - but didn't always - include the conquered religion in their own due to their own acceptance that there are numerous gods. That's what Rome often did and that's one of the reasons that they lasted so long. They allowed other cultures into their own for quite some time.
its wrong. Anyone,, including I believe Sicarius knows that this assertion is nothing more than a nostalgic glance at the past. In the past Polytheist warriors have been defeated by monotheist ones with more frequency. This does not suggest that polytheists are any less warlike and any experience with Thucydides, Livy, or histories of Native American or African cultures would reveal that. Monotheists might have revolutionized war and violence, but polytheist cultures engaged in it quite avidly as well
abgemacht (1076 D(G))
04 Dec 12 UTC
@bo

But was that a consequence of polytheism, as the author claims, or just good Imperial management on the Roman's part?
wow bo_sox actually said something smart. I agree
abgemacht (1076 D(G))
04 Dec 12 UTC
@Santa

I'm inclined to agree with you, which, among other reasons, is why I find this article suspect at best.
abge, its not just Rome, it is actually a hallmark of polytheism. Native Americans and Africans used to do it all the time to missionaries chagrin.
bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
04 Dec 12 UTC
Thanks Santa. I'd say the same about you but I'm afraid I'll regret it later. ;)


Abge, my thought is that it was a consequence of a general principle in polytheism, not relating to Rome as much as it is just a general acceptance of other gods into their own culture. As much as we've deviated from such principles today, largely due to Islam, Christianity, and Judaism fighting for centuries and centuries for Jerusalem, I think there's always the potential to go back to that. It would take time; much more than any of us have, of course.
bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
04 Dec 12 UTC
Exactly, Santa beats me again.
abgemacht (1076 D(G))
04 Dec 12 UTC
Yes, I think all three of us are in agreement here.
Then again, to play devils advocate, tolerance was in no way a given in polytheist cultures. The Romans accepted the gods of theirr subjects but demanded that their subjects accept Caesar as divine. "Strangers" in ancient Greece were portrayed as the other and often persecuted. Strong Native American cultures often targeted weak tribes for plunder and murder to please their gods. The question is whether this is truely a Monotheistic/Polytheistic dichotomy or just a symptom of power and domination.
abgemacht (1076 D(G))
04 Dec 12 UTC
I realize my initial posts may have been hard to parse, so let me summarize:

At least two of the author's justifications for supporting diversity are simply wrong, or at least lacking any sort of verification. These false arguments are then somehow used to justify his thesis, although it is not clear how. Overall, I'm not sure much gain be gained from this article.
Sicarius (673 D)
06 Dec 12 UTC
The problem I see with it is his calling atoms unique. As I understand it atoms are basically identical, with a few small exceptions like isotopes (which I imagine are smilar to other isotopes, etc) or charges or whatever.
What i got wasnt that he was asserting that monotheistic religions are more prone to violence per se, just that when that violence occured the result did not favor diversity.

Also I thought the holocaust/melenasia comparison was kindof weak and unnecessary

Was a little confused at first because I was conflating his discussion of the evolution of morals/ethics, with his own moral assertion that diversity is good.
On the whole I agree with the essay, Most things in our world tend towards diversity, not like elements and atoms and shit, that whole part was uneeded, but the nature of evolution of species, of cultures and languages etc. I would agree with his moral assertion that diversity is a good thing.

So is there any interest in these? There are like, thirty more after all and they get pretty interesting I could just post them in this thread.
to;dr
I can't decide if that was a typo for "l" or if I should just leave it as o[bi].
Sicarius (673 D)
06 Dec 12 UTC
Thesis #2: Evolution is the result of diversity.

The concept of progress is actually rather new. Most prehistoric and ancient peoples saw history as a constantly repeating cycle, incompatible with any notion of advancement or degradation. The first conceptions of linear time are found only in the historical era. Confucius, the Greeks and the Jews all believed that the world was, in fact, becoming worse. In this, they did concieve of history as linear, but as the opposite of progress. The Greeks held that the first, “Golden Age” had been the best era, with each succeeding age diminished from its predecessor’s glory. In Judaism, the “Fall of Man” in Genesis paints humanity in a fallen, exiled state. Later Jewish prophets outlined a messianic and eschatological timeline which extended this into an on-going societal free-fall that would end only by divine intervention with the Messianic Age. This final hope of the Messianic Age sowed the first seeds of the idea of progress.

In many ways, we can thank Christianity for the concept. In reconciling their belief in Jesus as the messiah, and the very obviously unfulfilled predictions of the Eschaton and the Messianic Age, Christians began to develop a more progressive concept of history. Their Christology immediately separates history into “before Christ” and “after Christ.” They mark the passage of years as Anno Domini-the “Year of Our Lord.” Since the New Covenant is, in the Christian mind, immediately superior to the Old — as Paul argues in his Letter to the Galatians — we already have fitted all of history into a broad sweep of progress. The condition of mankind was improved by the life of Christ. History has progressed.

The concept proved adaptable to changing memetic environments. The Enlightenment was a response to the superstitious worldview that preceded it, and like so many philosophical responses, was prone to attempts to counter-balance its opponents by going equally far in the opposite direction. The Enlightenment defined humanity as unique for its faculty of Reason, and celebrated that Reason as the seat of mankind’s “redemption” from its state of ignorance and savagery. The Enlightenment promised an optimistic future, where humanity triumphed over every obstacle in its way thanks to the unstoppable power of Reason. As E.O. Wilson described it in Consilience:

Inevitable progress is an idea that has survived Condorcet and the Enlightenment. It has exerted, at different times and variously for good and evil, a powerful influence to the present day. In the final chapter of the Sketch [for a Historical Picture of the Progress of the Human Mind], “The Tenth Stage: The Future Progress of the Human Mind,” Condorcet becomes giddily optimistic about its prospect. He assures the reader that the glorious process is underway: All will be well. His vision for human progress makes little concession to the stubbornly negative qualities of human nature. When all humanity has attained a higher level of civilization, we are told, nations will be equal, and within each nation citizens will also be equal. Science will flourish and lead the way. Art will be freed to grow in power and beauty. Crime, poverty, racism and sexual discrimination will decline. The human lifespan, through scientifically based medicine, will lengthen indefinitely.

Though the Enlightenment placed its faith in Science, rather than in deities, this belief in progress remains no less a leap of faith for it. The idea of progress — particularly of humanity’s constant self-improvement through the application of Reason — became as fundamental a belief for the secular humanists as the redeeming power of Christ was for the Christians they proceeded. The beliefs fulfilled similar needs, as well, by promising similar outcomes — even if brought about by entirely different processes. Both comforted their believers with the promise that the current misery was only temporary, and that a new, better day was waiting on the horizon for those who soldiered on.

Little wonder, then, that when Darwin challenged the conceit of our species’ superiority by suggesting we were mere animals, those that did not reject the evidence entirely instead comforted themselves with the myth of progress. In the popular mind, the word “evolution” became nearly a synonym for “progress,” the process by which species “improve” themselves. In fact, evolution has nothing to do with “progress” at all.

Evolution, technically defined, is merely a change in allele frequency in a population over time. In one generation, 15% have a given gene; in the next, it is only 14.8%. Iterated over generations, this may lead to the complete extinction of the allele. The idea of evolution predates Darwin, as such change is immediately observable and undeniable. Darwin made two contributions to this; the first was defining the first mechanism for evolution in the process of natural selection, the second his contention that such evolution satisfactorily explains the origin of species.

Since the Neolithic, herders have practiced artificial selection with their livestock. If a given cow produces more milk than the others, or is more docile and easy to control, then you simply give that cow more time with the bulls, so that she will have more children. The next generation of the herd will have more docile cows that produce more milk. The herder has artificially selected for traits he desires. Over enough generations, this could lead to the entire herd being docile and producing more milk.

Darwin’s concept of natural selection merely suggests that this can also happen without the conscious guidance of a herder. A giraffe with a slightly longer neck may be able to reach foliage in trees more easily. He will be better and more easily fed, giving him more time to dally with the ladies and concieve young, who are also more likely to have slightly longer necks. Over enough generations, this could easily explain the modern state of the giraffe, the same as artificial selection sufficiently explains the state of the modern cow herd. The difference being, no single entity was consciously guiding the giraffes to that end.

The seeds of these thoughts were planted during Darwin’s time aboard the Beagle. During this time, he visited the Galapagos Islands, and noted both the similarities and differences of birds on those islands to birds on the mainland. He noted the similarities suggesting they had once been a single species, and the differences specifically adapted to the Galapagos’ unique ecology. Darwin allowed the implications of his natural selection to play out. If two populations of a given species are separated, each will continue changing with each generation, but now separated, their changes will diverge. Over sufficient generations, the two groups will become too divergent to interbreed any longer. Two new species will have formed.

In its truest essence, then, evolution is nearly irrefutable. “Survival of the fittest,” is a true shorthand, if we understand “fittest” to refer to the ability to produce young, as well as being severely restricted to a given locale. In this case, it becomes a tautology; if a creature possesses some trait that will make it more likely to have young, then it is more likely to have young. The controversy comes from the implication of this statement. If true (and how could it not be?), then all the diversity of life can be accounted for in a natural fashion. Gods can still be invoked if one insists; evolution could be seen as G-d’s paintbrush, or Genesis as a poetic account of evolution, as all but the most hardline, fundamentalist Christians believe, but they are not necessary. The existence of life itself is no longer a proof for the existence of G-d.

Evolution, then, is simply a consequence of diversity. All organisms are subject to “dumb luck,” and untold heritages of the world were pre-emptively snuffed out by rocks falling at the most inopportune moments. Yet, the diversity of populations of organisms played with the probability of that dumb luck. Falling stones did not kill the swift and the slow in equal measure. Trees with flame-retardant seeds inherited the earth after enough forest fires had gone through. Evolution happens, as the inevitable consequence of a diverse world. As Dawkins abstracted it in The Selfish Gene, the diversity of possible chemical reactions meant that, eventually, a reaction would occur that reproduced itself. Such a reaction would have a higher probability of occuring again, as it was no longer relying on pure chance to do so. Anything that reproduces itself — even ideas — are subject to natural selection and evolution.

What, then, is the “goal” of evolution, if we can speak of such a thing? The marriage of evolution and progress has left many with the notion that evolution is driving towards some endpoint, that we are progressing ever closer to some perfect state. Usually, this is formulated as evolution’s drive towards greater complexity. Such a “drive” towards complexity, however, is ultimately a mirage, an illusion created by the unique myopia of our scale.

There is a certain baseline of simplicity for all things. No atom can be simpler than hydrogen, for example. There is a baseline for DNA where, if it were any simpler, it would not be able to reproduce itself, and thus would no longer be DNA. There is a baseline, somewhere around the complexity of the virus — whether above or below is a matter of some debate — where any more simplicity would yield something no longer alive. From this baseline, there is nowhere to go but up. Diversity spreads out in all possible directions. There is infinite diversity in the space that is equally simple, hugging close to the baseline. Diversity also moves up, towards more complex. If we were to graph such dispersion, it would not look like an arrow shooting up into the stratosphere of complexity; it would be a hemisphere against a solid floor, with its radius constantly growing.

The evidence for this view is clear and intuitive. If evolution drives ever greater complexity, rather than simply diversity, why then is the vast majority of life on earth single celled? Instead, this distribution of life — with almost all of it existing at lower orders of complexity, and the numbers of species diminishing as we climb into greater levels of complexity — is exactly the hemisphere of diversity. Nowhere do we see the straight line of “progress,” unless we track only our own, specific evolutionary path, and ignore everything else. If we stare at the radius pointing straight up and ignore the rest of the hemisphere, then, and only then, can we convince ourselves that evolution is about “progress.”

Consider the case of the Neandertal. Larger, stronger and faster than normal humans, our success (and their failure) was once attributed to their inferior intellect. In fact, their brains were noticeably larger than our own. While this may simply be a matter of ennervating muscle tissue, it means their physical faculties were at least the equal of our own, if not superior. Culturally, the only evidence of adaptation to changing stimulus we have in the Paleolithic is the Châtelperronian toolset, an ingenious integration of Acheulean and Mousterian technology. It is not found associated with “modern” humans, however, but with Neandertals. With their intellectual abilities in greater doubt, many turned to Bergman’s Rule to explain their demise: Neandertals were cold-adapted, and could not survive in the changing climate of the end of the Pleistocene. However, Neandertals have been found throughout the Middle East in areas which, while once colder than they are now, were never so cold as to justify the idea that Neandertals were doomed by their cold adaptation.

There is yet no angle to the Neandertals’ extinction besides sheer, dumb luck that does not present a host of problems. It seems, regardless of which attribute we value most, Neandertals were at least our equals, and perhaps even our betters. Their extinction, and our success, may be a case of evolution picking the worse candidate; it may simply be randomly choosing between two equally qualified candidates. What it seems very strongly to not represent is a case of “progress.” Instead, it is simply change.

This highlights one of the last important traits of evolution: its ambivalence. A friend of Darwin’s once tried to develop a system of ethics based on the conviction that, while evolution is inevitable, it is also a monstrous process, and that which helps it along is itself immoral. I argue that evolution can, indeed, be monstrous, but is not always so. Like everything else, good and evil are matters of proximity. Evolution sometimes makes things better; sometimes, it makes them worse. Evolution is driven by diversity, and in general creates even more diversity, but it is also blind and unconscious. It operates on immediate results, leaving long-term errors to be resolved by time. It is a process of continual trial and error, as it allows long-term mistakes to correct themselves with self-destruction. Thus, at any given point, we must be careful to declare anything an evolutionary “success” by its current survival — as it may just as easily be a terrible mistake in the midst of eliminating itself.
abgemacht (1076 D(G))
06 Dec 12 UTC
Author and Works Cited, please.


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Yonni (136 D(S))
05 Dec 12 UTC
Replacing a laptop fan
I think I need to replace the fan on my laptop. As someone with no experience disassembling laptops should I bother doing this myself or should I just take it in to someone?
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dubmdell (556 D)
04 Dec 12 UTC
Thuc... Thuc.,..
I don't know. What the hell anymore.
19 replies
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MadMarx (36299 D(G))
01 Dec 12 UTC
Another Bendite on webDip!!
I'm trying to round up a few nice folks for a cordial (yet very competitive)game starting in a few weeks, PM me if interested, more details within.
48 replies
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Thucydides (864 D(B))
04 Dec 12 UTC
confession
i have no idea what the hell ankara crescent is.

so what is it. lol
66 replies
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Partysane (10754 D(B))
05 Dec 12 UTC
Question: Multiple Logins from one IP
Happened just now. Page on my PC wouldn't load properly and since i am in a live game i switched to my Phone and entered orders there.
Is that a problem? Do i need to report my activity to the mods?
25 replies
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Ramtha (104 D)
04 Dec 12 UTC
LOTR Diplomacy variants being played online
The title say it all
Please, help a poor noob find a site where I can fulfill my fantasy of crushing those filthy Hobbitses once and for all.
5 replies
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2ndWhiteLine (2611 D(B))
05 Dec 12 UTC
New Orleans...Pelicans?!
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/8711940/new-orleans-hornets-change-nickname-pelicans-according-report
10 replies
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2ndWhiteLine (2611 D(B))
04 Dec 12 UTC
2nd White Christmas Game
I'd like to play a little game.
1 reply
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Confused, Seeking Advice
Rather tough spot in my life. Please don't ridicule me.
13 replies
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djakarta97 (358 D)
03 Dec 12 UTC
Camp 14 in North Korea
http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/03/born-in-the-gulag-why-a-north-korean-boy-sent-his-own-mother-to-her-death/255110/

What are your views on this?
21 replies
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bschluep (57 D)
03 Dec 12 UTC
Support in the North
Can a fleet in Norway support an army in St. Pete in an attack on Moscow?
6 replies
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Nikeshox (100 D)
01 Dec 12 UTC
this site...
Anyone else findin orders constantly say LOADING on google chrome? doesn't allow u to enter orders
16 replies
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Tolstoy (1962 D)
03 Dec 12 UTC
Your Innocence is No Defense
Over 1000 wrongfully convicted defendants (at least 102 of which were sentenced to death) and counting in new registry:

http://libertycrier.com/government/1000-wrongfully-convicted-and-counting-new-registry-checks-justice-systems-power/
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