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Mauldinado (392 D)
06 Jan 11 UTC
JDip or similar simulation program
I was wondering if anyone was having issues running JDip on Windows 7

Also, are there any other simulation programs out there to run moves through?
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HalberMensch (1783 D)
05 Jan 11 UTC
New to webdiplomacy (facebook phpdiplomacy-regular): Joined Games that seem to be gone?
Greetings,

i have been playing phpdipl on facebook for quite a while, which is lots of fun, and now would like to try the "real thing" here. So i created an account and joined three new, open games - one classic, one ancient med, and one world map ...
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hy2850 (100 D)
06 Jan 11 UTC
How do you leave the game?
I totally messed up on one game, and I don't feel like playing that one.
Well, I saw some people leaving aside getting wiped out of the map, and I want to know how. Pls answer
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mdrltc (1818 D(G))
05 Jan 11 UTC
First person to post is an idiot!
Whoops, didn't think this one through...............
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Kingdroid (219 D)
05 Jan 11 UTC
Parameter 'fromTerrID' set to invalid value '165'.
Uuum?

I simply chose the territory my unit was in...
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mikeconroy (0 DX)
06 Jan 11 UTC
Need a Sitter to Complete A Live Gunboat
It will probably take under an hour. PM me please!
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Dan Wang (1194 D)
05 Jan 11 UTC
#10 Gunboat 20 points PPSC anonymous 24 hour phases
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☺ (1304 D)
05 Jan 11 UTC
Why PPSC is terrible
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kislikd (840 D)
04 Jan 11 UTC
New game anyone?
Haven't seen a good, relaxed World map lately so here's one. Any takers?
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wfguiteau (373 D)
03 Jan 11 UTC
We gotta do something about players dropping
There is nothing more annoying than playing a 2 day deadline with 6 players who are on the ball, and then one guy who decides to drop the game. There has to be a bigger penalty for dropping out of games. I think it's really poor form to drop a game without good reason, so maybe there should be a way to just drop a game and take the penalty.
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Maniac (189 D(B))
03 Jan 11 UTC
No to self regulation of the forum
See inside
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mrlentz (0 DX)
05 Jan 11 UTC
Live game sitter?
Family emergency -- need to go in 20. message me if you have can do this at all.
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Commander Keen (127 D)
04 Jan 11 UTC
New players just can't play....
Please tel me how to break this vicious circle...
Commander Keen (127 D)
04 Jan 11 UTC
I recently came to know the game, and really liked it. So i started reading about the different strategies, and started playing.
It took me a couple of games to figure it out how the attack/defense more complicated cases were ruled, and sometimes i missed some phase because of browser problems, but that is ok, i was learning.
Now, the problem is that i can't find a place to play. I explain myself.
If I go into games with not anonymous players, it happens each and every time that the other players look at the experience of everyone, and the 2 or 3 more experienced automatically ally together before the first phase. It is not metagaming per se, but if the other 4 or 5 does not ally themselves, they are doomed. And each and every time, the other players do not realize this before is too late, or at all.
So the very fact of being new means you will lose. And there is nothing you can do about it, except to play in an all noobs game, but you can not select a game with that constrains. No matter if you are a good or a bad player.
An example: last game, i got germany. On the very first move, i had russiasending moscow and warsow after me and moving his fleet to take sweden, england going through norwegian sea for norway and on north sea to then convoy an army to belgium, and france goin burgandy to then attack munich.
No matter how good a player you are, there is no way for you to stay in the game. No way. And all i did was beign a top 35% while they 3 were top 20 at worst. It is not metagaming, but.....

What about playing Anonymous games? Well, let's say i really tried, but all i had was 70 per cent of those games canceled because of some obvious metagaming, even twice i was in games canceled because of clearly rigged games -multiaccounting-. I even got a private message from a player answering a question i did to another player... and then an oooops.

Really, if thereis not some way in which we can make some kind of open games only for players on the same percentile, the classism will keep the really interested new guys out of the system, because there is no way to stay in the game. The only new player to keep on playing will be the ones that have no interest whatsoever in strategy, in the game, and just want some quick fight.... which it is ok to lose.

Please let me know if any of the old timers have an idea for a way out of this vicious circle in which the new players are picked to lose, and because of that they drop in percentages, and because of that they are picked to lose, and on and on....
peterwiggin (15158 D)
04 Jan 11 UTC
advertise passworded anonymous games on the forum. That's pretty much the way to get good games here.
Draugnar (0 DX)
04 Jan 11 UTC
Stop playing live games and advertise here. This is a good start, but ask to play with some forum regulars. Sure, some will be better than you, but if yo get enough together, they will start their own feuds and you can possibly slip under the radar for the win or at least be part of a draw.

The key to this game isn't strategy, it's communication. You *must* talk to your neighbors and their neighbors if your neighbors won't work with you. The best players are those who can convince others that what is best for themselves is actually best for their "ally" too. Stratgey can keep you so your ally doesn't stab you, but communication is what gets the ally in the first place. Take your Germany example. Did you talk to Russi and France? How about England? If Russia and France were ganging up on you, you should have talked England into going after one or the other. What about austria and Turkey? They can put the screws to Russia and take some pressure off. And Italy? He can send his fleets after France.

Communication. It really is the key to this game. Stop worrying about the "more experienced player" and start using them to your advantage.
Octavious (2701 D)
04 Jan 11 UTC
Try 5 pt anonymous games. You hardly ever get metagaming as they only attract people who don't give a damn about hoarding points. They tend to attract a fair few top quality players aswell.
bartdogg42 (1285 D)
04 Jan 11 UTC
+1 Draugnar
figlesquidge (2131 D)
04 Jan 11 UTC
More early diplomacy will always help.
Commander Keen (127 D)
04 Jan 11 UTC
Thanks for the answers guys.
On communicating and alliances, of course i try. But just get outchosed in favor of the more experienced, sadly. They tend to trust each other more, so they prefer to sort of deal with the newbies first and then decide the game when the same old wel known players get the board for them.

Guess Octavious is right, the way to go is anonymous games with very low points, so people will not get into them to cheat -but i have to say i vividly remember a 5 point live game with 2 guys playing together, they were physically in the same room and of course were allies since the beginning-.
Thank you guys, i guess i will better let this site playing die off me and just stay into diplomacy as an intelectually beautiful experience through programming different kinds of AI to play the game.

Peace, bye :)
SacredDigits (102 D)
04 Jan 11 UTC
I just recently started on this site, and I have to say that I've never even suspected this sort of thing was happening. I play in a wide variety of games...live, anon, non-anon, gunboat, 12 hour, 24 hour, and I don't think I've ever seen any evidence that people were doing anything other than trying to win the game fairly.

Maybe I'm lucky, but I also wonder how much evidence you have of claims like that two people were in the same room.
Octavious (2701 D)
04 Jan 11 UTC
@ScaredDidgits

It does happen from time to time, and it tends to stick in the mind when it does. I had one really tragic live game a few months back in which three countires (Germany, Russia and Austria I think) were the same chap. Amusingly the poor bastard discovered that controlling so many nations in a five minute/turn game was rather more than he could handle and ended up losing anyway :p

But no, stick to password protected games with forum types for your serious play, and cheap anon games for light hearted fun and you'll hardly ever have problems :)
Commander Keen (127 D)
04 Jan 11 UTC
Lol, that game was canceled when they started to fight about something one of them spilled on the other one keyboard or something like that... it was almost funny...
That is not however the point, and if you never even suspected this sort of thing happening, well good for your luck and innocence. I was a lot less lucky and on a couple of early games they killed my game innocence... which, btw, is not a good thing to have in a backstabbing game!! -innocence-
Of course, having actual evidence of people metagaming is almost impossible... but when you enter a game and you fin yourself with 3 players saving always in the same order and with a ~30 seconds delay, and 2 of them are accounts on their absolute first game, you start to wonder how come the 2 newbies do not care about their centers and go help the 3rd guy on his fights...

Lucky you, have had my share of bad luck already then...
But as i said, the question was another, you completely missed it, and Octavious gave a pretty good idea on how to do to avoid the problem.

All i have to ask now is for the top 30 percentile players not to get into pennies games so we can have some place to deal with our noobinesh without the problems i already explained.

Thx.
finn15 (100 D)
04 Jan 11 UTC
have you ever thought that

1. Metagamers can be friends.
2. Allying is part of diplomacy.
3. If you can´t win, join.
Commander Keen (127 D)
04 Jan 11 UTC
That explains oen of them dropping something over the other one keyboard?

And should i assume then, from your rethorical questions, that metagaming is not allowed UNLESS you are friends?

And about joining, there are 2 possibilities: weather you didnt read my "Germany" experience, or you are just trolling me. Go and read, please, and tel me how germany can join a russia-france-england alliance -from before the game started-. Good luck with that.
chamois (136 D)
04 Jan 11 UTC
I am a beginer too, and never saw experienced players ganging up against the noob, I saw experienced players losing. I never saw metagaming. To conclude : new players can play!
chamois (136 D)
04 Jan 11 UTC
oh but you only play live games, that's maybe why.
kislikd (840 D)
04 Jan 11 UTC
Keen, just keep playing bud. Try as many gametypes/time limits/maps as you can. You will meet a wide variety of players and have a multitude of different experiences in each situation. I try to keep 2 or 3 games open on each map type, and this lets me meet tons of players, as well as win (and lose) on a more balanced percentage scale.

Once you do this, you realize what players (if any) you enjoy playing with and you can privately invite them into your games, or look for games they are in to join. Also, I'm not an experienced player, but I love playing with new guys occasionally because (and no offense to the noobs) everybody loves a lap dog now again. :P I enjoy having a new player as an ally because you get to introduce them to the finer points of the game as well as have a trustworthy ally - not many newbies stab readily. If I like them I'll go for a 17 split, if not, I'll stab at the end :P

Just don't get discouraged: like in every new job, you start at the bottom and work your way through the piles of shit to get where it don't stink no more. And if you need someone for a game, gimme a buzz :)
TheWizard (5364 D(S))
04 Jan 11 UTC
Sorry to hear about your experiences. But I think you just have been very unlucky. That sort if thing (obvious metagaming) has never happened to me. Do stay, and try to screen the games you join for obvious cases of metagaming (as you said, two or more accounts in their first game, similar names in the same games), try joining games advertised on the forum and passworded. Try games with 36+ hours phaselngth, they tend not to have many problems. You only played live games, try others!
As for your Germany experience: True that you are likely screwed, but also likely that your initial diplomacy wasn't adequate. It may always happen that E/F ally against Germany, but you can also always try to turn one of them around... offer support into Belgium, etc... usually you can get Russia as an ally then if you agree with him to split Scandinavia and fight England. Also try to make Italy aware that a successful E/F alliance is not in his interest, he could possibly help you out from Tyrolia or even with a fleet sent after France if he can afford it. as for Russia in your case: if he goes at you with 3 units in spring 1901, work hard on Austria and Turkey to take the spoils. Sev or Rumania should fall in 1901. if A/T can agree on it even both, but unlikely. block Russia from Sweden, and defend Berlin if you still can. That will leave Russia at 0 builds and outmanouevered. He will be in a worse position than you. Maybe you can then get him to ally against the more succesful bigger nations...
As for good players only allying with good players, not true in my experience either. Some big players have even complained about the "Tall poppy syndrome", meaning that smaller players ally against them from the start to take them out out of fear that the good player might win if they would not. I guess it might differ in every game.

Again, try playing non-live games and give that a shot, preferantially those advertised in the forum, or make your own, advertize it and password it... I'm almost certain your experience will be better.
figlesquidge (2131 D)
04 Jan 11 UTC
Also, if you have a game you suspect to be wrecked by multiaccounting or metagaming then feel free to email us details about it [email protected] then it can be looked into. Its infuriating hearing people complaining about being cheated if they don't send in this information
figlesquidge (2131 D)
04 Jan 11 UTC
Oh, and Finn: terrible attitude

have you ever thought that

1. Metagamers can be friends. - So? Metagaming is against the rules
2. Allying is part of diplomacy. - True, but entering a game with an alliance is cheating
3. If you can´t win, join. - NO NO JUST DEFINITELY NO
abgemacht (1076 D(G))
04 Jan 11 UTC
figle +3
finn -3
☺ (1304 D)
04 Jan 11 UTC
Figle +100, abgemacht + 10, fin -An obnoxiously large number
Ges (292 D)
05 Jan 11 UTC
Dear Commander:

It is clear that you have had some bad experiences. Diplomacy is a game, and games are supposed to be fun. I'm relatively new to the site, and have seen just a little bit of fraud (I was once loudly accused of multiaccounting by a fellow who was later booted for the same offense). However, after four months of pretty regular play, I can say that 99.5% of the people one plays against here are great. They'll help with questions, will explain the rules clearly, and will engage in mutually productive alliances with players of all experience levels while keeping an eye out for the main chance. Strangely, I found a good pool of similarly-skilled (unskilled?) players in a 24-hr World Diplomacy game. Try it out. I'll bet that of the people who are still posting moves and engaging in active diplomacy by about 2005 or so you can find six other enthusiastic new players who are fun, reliable and willing to enter into a password-protected game of Classic Diplomacy with you. 24-hr ten-point WTA with full press is a great way to start. If you need a player, I have space for a game right now. All the best.
Triumvir (1193 D)
05 Jan 11 UTC
@ Commander - I am likewise saddened to hear of your poor experiences on this site. With only a dozen games under my belt here, I have had great experiences with players who ranged from total noobs to "top 100." If you have any interest in 24-hour games, I'll probably be starting one up here soon and would be pleased for you to join in.
akilies (861 D)
05 Jan 11 UTC
Not to beat a dead horse that is Finn's comment but they way you seem to play (your three points) might explain your record and point situation


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Dan Wang (1194 D)
05 Jan 11 UTC
NEW Gunboat 20 points PPSC anonymous 24 hour phases
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☺ (1304 D)
05 Jan 11 UTC
Draw/Pause/Cancel in Gunboat
I'd like some gunboat enthusiasts' opinions on this...
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mathieuportelance (115 D)
05 Jan 11 UTC
Monte Cassino 7
I don't know if it's the web site or if it's my computer but it was impossible to me to play in the game that I create ? Every time I refresh there was no change and I come back at the first phase.

Can you help me please?
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Hellenic Riot (1626 D(G))
04 Jan 11 UTC
Ipod diplomacy
I noticed that while using my iPod to go on this site I cannot scroll in the chat boxes with each country...is this fixable?
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Ges (292 D)
04 Jan 11 UTC
Favorite Classic Territory?
Some territories are just more fun to own than others, be it for strategic value or "nyah nyah" effect on other players. I love Serbia, since it gives you an SC and can impact so many crucial Balkan provinces without being touched by the many navies swarming about the Med and Black Sea. Anyone else have sentimental favorites?
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Dan Wang (1194 D)
04 Jan 11 UTC
Gunboat 20 points PPSC anonymous 24 hour phases
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Babak (26982 D(B))
04 Jan 11 UTC
Diplomacy World #112 is out - lots of "Russia" articles
The Winter 2010 Issue of Diplomacy World, #112, is now available for download from http://www.diplomacyworld.net
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Thucydides (864 D(B))
03 Jan 11 UTC
There's been a lot of talk about self-moderated forums lately.
And that's fine. I'm at peace with idea. But since we are supposed to moderate ourselves, I'd like this forum to consider a proposal or two.
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Troodonte (3379 D)
04 Jan 11 UTC
Kizomba - game over
gameID=38703
Thanks everyone for playing this game that I dedicate to a friend.
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Triumvir (1193 D)
04 Jan 11 UTC
Question from a Noob
I see a lot of Full Press games and a lot of Gunboat, but do people every play with global messaging only?
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peter25 (0 DX)
04 Jan 11 UTC
new game 58 points join please
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=46021
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warsprite (152 D)
02 Jan 11 UTC
The most important scifi story every told.
http://www.space.com/common/forums/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=27719 What do you think is the most important scifi story every told? I'm assuming this means the impact on society, not personal favorate, best, or most realistic. I'd have to say Star Trek. The 1960s series not only spawned new series and several movies, inspired many scientist and enginers and innovators, and affected peoples veiws of the world.
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aodshark (149 D)
04 Jan 11 UTC
24 hour classic game needs three
ID#: 45869
Title: The Continental
Password: champagne
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Scallywag (0 DX)
04 Jan 11 UTC
LIVE GAME TONIGHT
JOIN NOW:

gameID=46034
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Draugnar (0 DX)
20 Dec 10 UTC
A tough decision, but I have to make it...
This is supposed to be a joyous and caring time of the year, so why do I keep feeling persecuted... Maybe because I am.

More inside...
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Triumvir (1193 D)
04 Jan 11 UTC
24 hour classic game
Details inside
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Dan Wang (1194 D)
03 Jan 11 UTC
Gunboat 30 points PPSC anonymous 24 hour phases
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