Hypocrite. All I have to add to this.

That would depend on the specific content of what you said, and whether or not you expressed your outrage in a way that was racist.

Be a man....expound upon your single word.

You're not really in a position to accuse other people of being "completely void of rational thought". And doesn't it strike you as a little unseemly posting a vitriolic tirade against another member of the forum? It's just outstandingly poor form.

Well....let's see....for DAYS now I have been rallying against the feigned outrage over a SINGLE murder in Florida, while Detroit is on track for 500 murders this year. Predominantly, those murders are of African Americans...If I were the racist the Putin claims me to be....wouldn't I be glorifying the murders in Detroit? Or at worst be silent about them???

@Synalon -- No...not unseemly at all, since no matter what I post,Putin will be sure to respond with some sort of hate-filled accusation. I'm taking the accusation to the forefront.

As for the claim that i am irrational....OK...I admit...I'm out of hand at time....But the question is...am I somehow racist, as Putin proclaims? And for the answer, you must refer to my posts.

Well if memory serves you have made a great many posts that are pretty damn racist, so I'm gonna go with "yes you are" on this one.

I don't think you have to glorify in genocide to be racist.

No....I disagree. I have NOT made racist posts AT ALL. If I have suggested at times that everyone compete on their own merits, as opposed to their skin color...that is not racist. Please give EVIDENCE for your accusation....otherwise, go back to sucking Putin off, wince you are of the same ilk as he (i.e. casting accusation without evidence...)

I like how the end of that post had to be clarified in the brackets so we knew you weren't being homophobic

@synalon -- Again....<sigh....> back up your claim with specifics....and strap on a pair and answer the question about Putin...

No...not homophobic....just insulting you.

What claim do you think I've made?

But again....strap on a pair...answer a question with details, with evidence, instead of with insinuated bullshit.

If I don't agree with someone, I try to be specific about my disagreement. When Putin and his followers disagree...it appears their mode of attack if not to base a response on facts and made statements....but it is to base attacks on presumptions and made up feelings...I guess if you live in fantasy land, there is no helping you. So dream on, Putin lovers....

@Synalon -- I won't bother to answer you since you are not enough of an adult to admit your own accusation. Grow up...learn to own what you write....then get back to me, little person...

See? This is the krellin I remember. The one that kept me reading forum threads then telling my chums to get online and read this new one. Ah, good to see you again, man.

dubmdell....Yes...I'm in a mood...and feeling beligerent. But....what are your thoughts on Putin? You think he is an HONEST arbiter of thought? Or a leftist whackjob?

I think that was probably directed at me.

And I'm willing to believe you have made any posts you were aware were racist. But you've definitely said racist things. Even this statement "If I have suggested at times that everyone compete on their own merits, as opposed to their skin color" belies racist tendencies, even if it sounds anti-racist on the surface of it. That statement assumes our society is structured in such a way that it is possible for people to compete entirely on merits. Guess what, it's not!

You need to understand krellin, any sentiment which serves to marginalize, dismiss or otherwise oppress racial minorities, or any statement or action which serves to perpetuate social systems which have this effect are racist. You seem to be under the impression that racism consists solely of cross burnings. This is false.

You must be trying to be dense. I don't read these forums often, so I don't have enough information to comment on whether or not you are racist. However, I do know that the defence against such accusations that you offered - "wouldn't I be glorifying the murders in Detroit?" - is wholly inadequate, and so, this is what I pointed out. "You don't have to glorify genocide to be racist", not "Krellin, you are a big xenophobe."

Mafia....I 100% DISAGREE with you. Any statement that says "x colored man can't compete unless he is given a helping hand by WHITE man" is inherently racist....

You know...a BLACK DUDE is PRESIDENT. I don't think he got a 20% bump in votes just because he's black. He made it because he was the best candidate at the time.

Black men RULE the NFL, the NBA....Black men seem to be able to compete in business wherever they apply themselves.

I find it strange that a bunch of people keep saying black men ain't no good unless Whitey help dem...

@Synalon ---- Oh my....what BIG WORDS you are learning in your college courses!!!!! Mommy and Daddy must be proud....

OK...so....yeah....if these two idiots are the only ones that think it's me, and not Putin...I'm pretty OK with me. I see a couple of douche bags that fling the race card on reflex without thought....not concerned about these TRUE bigots....the ones that truly believe that you are inadequate if you are black and that you NEED WHITE MAN to help you up....

Any African Amercians here? Any of you think you can't make it unless a White Man gives you a bump up? Or do you think you can make it on your own WITHOUT White man's help???

So, when someone clearly explains a misunderstanding you have made, your response is to pull out a stereotypical school-yard taunt. Mummy and Daddy must be proud ;)

Synalon --- go ahead....once again explain this supposed misunderstanding...I've scanned your previous inane comments...I don't see any "misunderstanding"....i see a dick....

UGH For fuck's sake krellin will you actually read my posts? The point isn't that anyone things black people aren't smart enough or whatever to make it on their own. The point is that society. is. racist. Society makes it very difficult for people who aren't white to succeed. Yes, individual black people find success. Good for them, it doesn't mean that society doesn't, on average give a whole whack of advantages to white people because of their race. You need to understand this if you ever, ever ever hope to meaningfully contribute to any conversation about racism.

*thinks

"Mafia....I 100% DISAGREE with you. Any statement that says "x colored man can't compete unless he is given a helping hand by WHITE man" is inherently racist...." - You're right that would be racist, if anyone were saying that. Thankfully no one is.

Mafia....funny....I do staffing for a living....I judge on skill...not color. I refuse to discriminate **every day**...

It's you ....YOU....who someday will work in a company who will hire or not hire based upon race, not me.

I se a bunch of assholes (YOU) that tell me BLACK AN CAN'T MAKE IT WITHOUT WHITE MAN'S HELP.....funny....I've never seen a black man on here say he needs your help?!??!!?! WHO is the racist? YOU....who says Black man is too weak to make it on his own? Or me....who interviews and hires people for a living and has never taken race into consideration?

it's pretty f*ing hilarious to be called racist by you idiots. Especially since I work for an Arab! lol

I was going to make some comments about white privilege but it seems krellin isnt actually reading the posts.

krellin, I am trying to explain something here, and you are refusing to listen. I'm going to give it one more shot. One more, but first, I need you to make me a promise. I need to actually read what it is I say, before you reply. Is that something you are capable of? Are you actually capable of reading words? And understanding them? Even if you disagree with them?

Ah, an open invitation! Thank goodness.

You provided as a defence against accusations that you were racist the following argument: "Predominantly, those murders are of African Americans...If I were the racist the Putin claims me to be....wouldn't I be glorifying the murders in Detroit?"

...To which I replied that you don't have to glorify genocide, or murder, etc. to be racist; the idea being that many people discriminate against minorities but don't outright want to kill them. At this point the conversation appeared to completely elude your constructive involvement. You asked me to back up my claim with specifics and, already suspecting that you somehow drew the point "Krellin is racist" from my post, I asked you to clarify which claim exactly you were talking about here. When you failed to do so, I was forced to go with my assumption (which appears to have been accurate), and explain to you the exact point I was making and how I wasn't leveling any accusations at you (I have explained this three times now).

You then said something about "big words" - a taunt which only serves to further suggest that you have a deeply entrenched problem with literacy - and then you asked me for an in-depth explanation. Which I have now provided.

So, I bet we're both glad that that's all explained and we can progress the dialogue! There is absolutely no way anything else could happen

Krellin, you agree at some point in American history that it impossible for black Americans to freely operate in society, right, due to slavery, racism, legal discrimination, and so on? At what moment do you think America fully transitioned from that point? Can you point to a specific year or event, before which African Americans faced an unequal struggle due to racial bigotry and legal discrimination, and after which it could be considered an entirely level playing field?

Rather: "that it WAS impossible for"

@ck....Civil Rights legistaltion was in 1964....Almost 50 years ago...

I didn't grow up learning racism....until I got old enough to hear Liberals complain about it....which is funny...because being a Middle Class white guy I was supposed to be raised racist...

Hmmmm...So you are saying that in 50 years....pretty much enough time for ALLLLLLL the racists in management to retire...the world is still full of racists in EVEY business?


OK...WHAT BLACK MAN ****NEEDS**** A WHITE MAN TO GET A JOB? SPEAK UP!!!!!!

How does he tie his shoes?

I see your confusion now. You seem to feel that the civil rights act stopped people thinking racist things, and that after the civil rights act it became impossible for anyone to hear or internalize racist ideals. Frankly that's a pretty dumb thing to think.

How does he tie his shoes? - I don't know but I'm willing to bet he doesn't need a white man's help to do it.

No, Mafia...I see CLEARLY that YOU are still quite racist...that YOU clearly believe Blacks can't make it without YOUR help.


I, on the other hand, hire people on MERIT....

He uses velcro

Krellin, you should just admit you were wrong now. You'll grow as a person!

Lots of (supposedly) witty comments...not a lot of rational comments....

Synalon....demonstrate with specific evidence where I am wrong. What...do YOU, synalon, think that a Black Man NEEDS YOUR HELP to get a job because you are white? I think he or she can get a job on his or her merits. Do you disagree???

Why would we waste time on rational well thought out comments you wont read? its pretty obvious you either are mostly ignoring the posts or have reading comprehension problems

We'd be doing well if it weren't for literally every post you make

OK. Krellin. I'm going to ask you this one more time. Will you please listen to what I'm trying to say. Before I make another substantive post, I need you to promise me that you will read the words I type, and do your best to understand them. If you do not do that, there is no point continuing to debate with you. So please, promise me you will try and listen, and I will make one final attempt to make my point.

I already explained where you're wrong, and it wasn't even regarding that issue! You are just unspeakably stupid

I feel like theres a really good place to print this thread out and mail it.... just... cant.... place... it....