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26 Mar 12 UTC

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Don't mention the meta-gamers......sorry I meant the war !!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xnNhzgcWTk

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26 Mar 12 UTC

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On the Treyvor Martin Question

See inside

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25 Mar 12 UTC

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NOT-REDHOUSE (ELO: >1800, white) vs. REDHOUSE (ELO secret ☺, black)

0-1

redhouse1938 (429 )
25 Mar 12 UTC

Official match, 1.30h pp for first 40 moves + 30 seconds per move, 30 minutes for final + 30s

Time to shamelessly discuss another game here! Mute this thread if you hate chess and/or shamelessness, or me showing off a victory, or all three!

I won this game, but I think I made some mistakes. I’m not sure where they are, who’s interested? Is it a good idea to take the pawn in the center with my knight? Is sacrificing the bishop to consume the knight’s position and take the other knight a good idea?

1. e4-c5
2. d4-cxd
3. c3-dxc
4. Nxc-e6
5. Nf3-Bb4
6. Bd2-Ne7
7. Bd3-d5
8. e5-Nc6
9. 00 – a6
10. a3-Ba5
11. b4-Bc7
12. Qe2-b5
13. Bg5-Bd7
14. Rab1-d4
15. Ne4-Nxe5
16. Nxd4-Nxd3
17. BxN-Nf4
18. BxQ-NxD+(here white’s already screwed to a point of no return IMO lol)
19. NxN-RxB
20. Kc5-Bc8
21. a4-bxa
22. Nxa-Bd7
23. Rfc1-Bf4
24. Nxf4-BxN
25. Rc7-00
26. Ne2-Rd7
27. RxR-BxR
28. h3-g6
29. Nc3-Rb8
30. Ne4 (not sure if I wrote this correctly, but see move 18 commentary)-Bb5
31. Kh2-Bd3
32. Nf6-Kg7
etc. etc., white gives up after turn 38

redhouse1938 (429 )
25 Mar 12 UTC

18 should be ...-NxQ+ I think..
20 should read N, not K

jmeyersd (4240 )
25 Mar 12 UTC

Well played. White clearly didn't know the Smith-Morra, though.
I just played through the game briefly, and I know I had some brilliant insightful questions. But now I've forgotten :(.
Where do you play? Was this live or on the internet?

redhouse1938 (429 )
25 Mar 12 UTC

No this was old-fashioned live! And I didn't know Smith-Morra either, your mentioning it is the first time I heard of it. Time to wiki what I did! :-)

jmeyersd (4240 )
25 Mar 12 UTC

Well it's alright if you don't know it! (Unless you're a closet GM). White shouldn't have played it if he didn't know the basic ideas, though. Bishops belong on c4 and f4/d3, and he should have countered the pin with Nd2. I've been dabbling with that variation as white lately -- maybe not technically sound but loads of fun against people who don't know what they're doing and let you push to e5 before moving their d-pawn.

You countered in the center very well, and you were probably better after ...d5. (IMHO). Very well handled.

I remembered one of my questions: why a) Ba5 after a3? b) Why Bc7? I thought the idea of a6 was to prepare for Qc7. And the bishop on the a7-g1 diagonal looks strong.

Was this like, a competitive game?

redhouse1938 (429 )
25 Mar 12 UTC

okay hang on I'll get my chess board and play it again so I can answer your questions lol

redhouse1938 (429 )
25 Mar 12 UTC

setting up board...

jmeyersd (4240 )
25 Mar 12 UTC

no worries, i'm gonna step out for a bit. take your time.

but when i come back i expect a full-length essay of publishable quality!

redhouse1938 (429 )
25 Mar 12 UTC

Okay... first results are in:
d5 I agree was pretty painful, thanks for that! :-)
a) Isn't that the best? By provoking b4 I can move Bc7, which double threatens his most aggressive pawn... What would you have done?

Caballo Blanco (1005 )
25 Mar 12 UTC

Definitely looks like an interesting game. Though, I have to disagree that after 18. (here white’s already screwed to a point of no return IMO lol). Black has the advantage but it is far from over. I'll put it in my chess program later tonight if I have time and let you know what it says.

redhouse1938 (429 )
25 Mar 12 UTC

Ah I'm starting to see what you mean... Interesting indeed. Actually one of the many reasons was that I believed that at some point, I'd be playing Qb8 to add an additional attack on the pawn.

redhouse1938 (429 )
25 Mar 12 UTC

@Caballo of course "assuming black doesn't make errors". I'd be very interested in your pc analysis as well.
@jmeyersd your questions are very stimulating, they will be the subject of ongoing research :-)

jmeyersd (4240 )
25 Mar 12 UTC

I'm not saying that Ba5 was necessarily a bad move, but an alternative might have been Bc4. I thought that your move a6 was to prepare for Qc7, which seems the strongest square for the queen. The bishop on the a7-g1 diagonal would have been very strong, so you would have had 2 strong pieces instead of just the one. This also would prepare to bring the rooks to the c & d files.

But heck, you're probably a better player than me. And what you did seemed to work fine.

Anyone fancy a nice friendly game here?

Caballo Blanco (1005 )
25 Mar 12 UTC

White's 32 move seems odd to me even without the computer analysis I think he should have played Re1.

Caballo Blanco (1005 )
25 Mar 12 UTC

Is there any way you can attempt to reconstruct moves 32-38 from memory? as etc etc doesn't tell me much though I as previous stated I do agree that white is sort of lost after 32 Nf6+

jmeyersd (4240 )
25 Mar 12 UTC

I agree about Re1 being better, but white is still far worse in that position.

basvanopheusden (2176 )
25 Mar 12 UTC

This is what I get after looking at the game with Rybka.

6. Qd4! forces black to trade the bishop with already weakened dark squares.
14 Rab1 was a bad move. This show white has no plan (and doesn't understand what gambits are about): Rac1, Rfd1 or a4 were better.
16 Bf6 !? Nice computer move. Analysis is unclear, but white certainly has chances.
17 Bxe7? Trying to be fancy, but essentially this gives the entire game away. White has compensation after simple Qxd3. In any case, 17...f6 is met by 18 Bxf6!
22...0-0 You still had one rook doing nothing. Activate it!
23... Bf4? seems pointless. Why trade your bishop pair away? Why not Be5? or Bxh2+
31... Bd3 Nice trick, but would you have won without it? One pawn should be enough, but the technique is still tricky. Try to beat your computer from that position.

Caballo Blanco (1005 )
25 Mar 12 UTC

@17 Bxe7? Trying to be fancy, but essentially this gives the entire game away. White has compensation after simple Qxd3.

This was another thing that I noticed...
Also, whites 31 moves seems to lose him about a 1 point in the analysis... was he in time trouble at this point?

basvanopheusden (2176 )
25 Mar 12 UTC

Also, why 12...b5? It closes the position down, but white's b5 wasn't a real threat anymore. Isn't this wasting time when you could've gone 12...Ng6? 'cause that's What your entire set-up is about.

Can someone explain why 7...d5 is such a good move? I don't see anything wrong with Nbc6.

basvanopheusden (2176 )
25 Mar 12 UTC

At move 17, he probably wanted to avoid 17...f6. Likely didn't see (or didn't dare Bxf6). Without that move, it's not enough.

At move 31, he simply blundered. Maybe time-trouble, or he was just worn out by a long game.

Caballo Blanco (1005 )
25 Mar 12 UTC

@ 7 ... d5 I think the common (better) moves from this position are 0-0 and Nbc6. Though my computer has d5 as almost the same so it's probably just preference there.

Caballo Blanco (1005 )
26 Mar 12 UTC

@ Is sacrificing the bishop to consume the knight’s position and take the other knight a good idea?

If you are referring to blacks 23 move then yes sacrificing is good but not with Bf4 the correct sacrifice would be Bxh2+

jmeyersd (4240 )
26 Mar 12 UTC

Anyone fancy a crude correspondence game here?

Caballo Blanco (1005 )
26 Mar 12 UTC

How crude are you talking?

redhouse1938 (429 )
27 Mar 12 UTC

Anyways, here's how it ended:
33. Nd7-Rd8
34. Rd1-RxN
35. Kg3-Bb5
36. RxR-BxR
37. Rf4-Rf6
38. g3-e5+
White resigns

So I discussed and replayed this game yesterday, we came to the conclusion that my opponent made several mistakes. Just like some people here said, Tab1 is - IMO - the gravest one. It does nothing and loses precious momentum. Indeed, as @basvanopheusden said, the guy had no plan here (he actually made the same comment when we were analyzing together later about that very move).

re: 6. 6Qd4!
Indeed, that would justify the gambit.

Re: 23 ...Bf5, it's absolutely true what both @bas and @Caballo said, it's stupid I didn't even consider that. The reason I trade the bishop is that I believe the knight's position after 24. Nxf4 is extremely weak, he'll have to get that knight back again to activate it (which he does at some point).

basvanopheusden (2176 )
27 Mar 12 UTC

I don't really understand that. The knights on a4 and e2 were both not optimally placed. They could only really go to c3/c5, blocking the rook. At f4, the knight is not worse than at e2 I would say. It can go d3-e5, or d3-c5, or Nh5 can be inconvenient too. In any case, no reason to warrant giving up the bishop pair so easily.

All in all, it's a decent game. You played a solid set-up, and your opponent didn't know how to counter your strategy. He had to play very actively and find cute tricks. He didn't, so he was forced onto the defense, and his defense skills weren't that good (which is probably why he played the Morra in the first place).

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24 Mar 12 UTC

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Sefl Defense...

Read it and weep, all you race-baiters out there (Obama included) who want to convict a guy before the facts are in simply because of the color of the so-called victim...

http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/dpp/news/state/witness-martin-attacked-zimmerman-03232012

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23 Mar 12 UTC

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Any one else tired of the God-Hating socialist lefties that troll this site.

Any time someone starts a forum to state an arguement it is filled with trolls mocking other peoples opinions because they are not their own. I know as soon as I post this trolls will flood it, but I want to know if I am not the only sensible person who wants to see other opinions and ideas and think about them.

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SergeantCitrus (257

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27 Mar 12 UTC

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PORK RINDS -- Is it JUST ME???

Question: Has anyone else notice that pork rinds seem to be completely devoid of nutrition or tastiness? That their outlandish texture often completely conficts with our delicate sensibilities, and often suggest that we should spit them up or cover them with hot sauce?

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27 Mar 12 UTC

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PUTIN-- Is it JUST ME???

Question: Has anyone else noticed that Putin seems to be completely void of rational thought? That his outlandish statements often completely conflict with reality, and are often suggest the exact opposite of what was stated?

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centurion1 (1478

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27 Mar 12 UTC

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Players to avoid and absent class

http://webdiplomacy.net/profile.php?userID=43031

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Yellowjacket (835

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26 Mar 12 UTC

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Counterpoint

FOR EQUALITY!

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Tru Ninja (1016

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26 Mar 12 UTC

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new stats in the works

I have a goal to finish stats that look at the following: a solo layout for each power that looks at the centers owned by each country and the frequency of control, i will also separate WA and PPSC win/draw stats, the number of centers a country needs to feel secure in the idea that it has likely minimized the likelihood it will be eliminated, and an update on my prior work. important about 40% done and hope to have it done by the end of the semester.

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23 Mar 12 UTC

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the ethical imperative of...

http://freethoughtblogs.com/nataliereed/2012/03/20/the-ethical-imperative-of-disclosure-or-how-to-believe-your-victim-owes-you-an-opportunity-for-abuse/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+freethoughtblogs%2Fnataliereed+%28FTB%3A+Sincerely%2C+Natalie+Reed%29
discuss:

(for those unfamiliar with the word 'cis' http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cisgender to be cisgendered means having the same gender identity as your assigned sex)

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thatwasawkward (4690

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25 Mar 12 UTC

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Stab yourself (to prove you're crazy).

High speed+high rollers. 18 hour/turn gunboat, 1000 point buy-in. Come one, come all.
gameID=84212

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26 Mar 12 UTC

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Just Saw the Hunger Games

Seriously the best movie I've seen in a long time. Hit the concept of the book right on the head.

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26 Mar 12 UTC

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Who said British politics is corrupt !!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-17508271

I think you Yanks call it lobbying, we call it fund-raising !!

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26 Mar 12 UTC

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Finally...

http://www.freep.com/article/20120325/COL33/203250689/Stephen-Henderson-Why-isn-t-there-more-outrage-when-innocent-kids-die-in-Detroit-?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|Opinion

Also...anyone catch that a Muslim woman was beat to death in California recently? Wonder where the "Civil Rights" advocates are for her?

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26 Mar 12 UTC

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Sexual Intercourse

lol, how does it work?
is it like in the walking dead, where zombies get born.

iliketrains

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26 Mar 12 UTC

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WHO WAS IT...?

...That tried to 'friend' me, or whatever the equivalent is, on flickr?

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25 Mar 12 UTC

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Threads we seem to get every other week

1. How VDip is so much better than WebDip
2. Why does gunboat exist?

I feel like I'm forgetting some.

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24 Mar 12 UTC

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Chronicles of Thomas Covenant

Anyone read them? Thoughts on them as pieces of writing (I hesitate to use the term literature) or on the possible conclusion of the plot?

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26 Mar 12 UTC

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Can't be gay in the Turkish Military, but you have to prove it...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-17474967

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17 Mar 12 UTC

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Live Gunboat Group

I have been sorely disappointed in the quality of live gunboats. There is constant NMR, CD, and lack of etiquette. I would like to compile a list of users who would enjoy playing gunboats live and would agree to certain rules (to be determined by the players who are initially interested).

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26 Mar 12 UTC

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help please!

Hi All, this is a game, with a long history. I am playing Russia, and could really do with some help.
France and Austria are now all friendly, so much so Ruhr has support help Munic in the past!

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26 Mar 12 UTC

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Elite Russian Military School for Young Girls

http://lens.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/03/26/in-moscow-little-girl-soldiers/?hp

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26 Mar 12 UTC

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Anyone else tired of the God-Bothering fascist right-wingers that troll this site?

Any time someone starts a forum thread to state an argument it is filled with conservative, Christian troll mocking other people's opinions because they are not their own. I know as soon as I post this, conservative Christian troll will flood it, but I want to know if I am not the only sensible person who wants to see other opinions and ideas and think about them.

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26 Mar 12 UTC

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Stabbers of the world unite EOG

Good game everyone. It was fun.

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25 Mar 12 UTC

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7 Rotten Republican Candidates - EOG

http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=84188

What do people think about this?
Waste of time reporting it ........ just like it was a waste of time playing it !!

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26 Mar 12 UTC

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1 player needed

gameID=83744

2800

pot WTA gunboat, 36 hours phase, please feel free to join.
we need only 1 player and still you have 5 hours to think about it :)

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26 Mar 12 UTC

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WTF is going on?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZbHmCrWUtQ

For the huge army of people on this forum who can't seem to write anything without the word fucking in it, I think you'll like this

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26 Mar 12 UTC

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JOIN THE GAME

Hey! JOIN Live game.
gameID=84257

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25 Mar 12 UTC

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Threads we HAVEN'T been getting every other week

TBroadley's thread we haven't been getting recently: obi's Philosophy Weekly.

What's up, obi? I enjoyed that series.

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