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Friendly Sword (636 D)
03 Aug 10 UTC
PFC Bradley Manning
A hero of the twenty-first century?
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Octavious (2701 D)
06 Aug 10 UTC
The weird ways of Johnny Foreigner
As you travel the world more and more you begin to understand that people from all nations and backgrounds are basically the same. Then, just when you're beginning to feel at one with the society you're visiting, you come face to face with a concept so bizarre and alien it leaves you in a state of open jawed incomprehension. Lets hear some stories of the weird things foreigners do!
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The_Master_Warrior (10 D)
04 Aug 10 UTC
Favorite Military Operation
What's yours?
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Re: carriers

They're big, bad motherfuckers to be sure. But how hard is it to rig about 300 Cigarette boats, hell Chris Crafts even, with a fairly cheap and primitive missile launch system, and create essentially katyusha fleets? Thing is, a carrier doesn't disappear. Everybody on earth who wants to know where a carrier is and has some satelittes in orbit knows exactly where it is. Once you know where something is, modern munitions make it a dead duck. In any serious naval conflict for the foreseeable future, submarines are kings.

As to why the USN keeps investing in carriers, well, there's a few reasons for that. First, they really do smack the hell out of weedy little third world hellholes that get uppity. Given that seems to be the US military's primary mission in Anno Domini 2010, carriers are assured of a spot in the navy. Second, bureacratic inertia. We've built our navy around the carrier for 68 years now. Changing that will take a herculean effort of a generation, or disastrous performance in a shooting war. Third, where does the naval top command come from? I can assure you it is not the logistical support arm of the navy, or the submarine force. Top admirals come from the carriers. Ambitious naval officers try to get billeted to carriers. You think, 30 years in, they're going to have an epiphany which points out the majority of their experience as an officer as totally outdated?
@ Bob Genghiskhan --

Do you think carriers will gradually become obsolete and be phased out by another type of ship/submarine, like what happened to battleships during WWII

I think so. Carriers will slowly become obsolete, rendered practically useless by modern munitions, and the only thing they will be good for is amphibious assault support. Eventually, they will even become obsolete at that. Just like what happened to battleships after Vietnam/end of Cold War. During and after WWII, battleships were used (almost exclusively) for amphibious assaults/attacking enemy targets close to open water. In the 80's and 90's, they were replaced at the amphibious assault role by missile boats.
diplomat61 (223 D)
06 Aug 10 UTC
Carriers are floating airfields so, if you want/need to live without them you either need bases closer to the action, planes that can fly further or some other way of striking from your own territory. Bases are tricky, but in-flight refuelling is commonplace, drones with long endurance are already with us and sub-orbital flight is not far off.

As assault ships, I would rather have my marines packed into two smaller vessels than one mega-CVN.
centurion1 (1478 D)
06 Aug 10 UTC
A carrier moves with a battlegroup. A carrier has some if the strongest missile defense systems in the world. A single missile does not have the ability to take down a carrier. No one has 300 missiles to shoot at a single target even if the target is a carrier. The future most certainly does not lie with subs. Subs are very easy to counter.

Can you tell me a plane that can travel from its hone base to the war zone in minutes to lead sorties. Just because you can reveille midflight means squat tlyou have to rearm and pilots have to take breaks.

Ridiculous.
Jack_Klein (897 D)
07 Aug 10 UTC
Subs are easy to counter?

Don't make me laugh. I've watched the fucking skimmers try to find us. We were ordered to fire off the diesel snorkel so they could at least be looking for us in the right area.

There ARE two types of ships..... submarines and targets.
Not very many countries have nuclear subs. Diesel-electric boats are only as good as their batteries.
Jack_Klein (897 D)
07 Aug 10 UTC
Actually, diesel electrics are in some ways far superior as far as stealth goes than nuclear boats.

Think for a second how much noise has to be damped by a nuclear boat. Feed pumps, reactor coolant pumps, turbine generators, etc.

And then think how much a diesel-electric boat has when it runs on batteries... the main propulsion motor.

We've played games against German diesels. Those guys are not bad at their jobs, and they've got excellent equipment.
largeham (149 D)
07 Aug 10 UTC
Diesel subs are said to be better than nuclear subs in coastal areas, why Australia is buying nuclear subs, I have no idea. If China (I'm guessing that's whom they're preparing for) were to invade, Australia would be fighting them in the Malaysian and Indonesia archipelagos, not the Pacific Sea.
@ Jack_Klein

Like I said. Their biggest problem is also their biggest advantage. Diese-electric boats are only as good as their batteries. Sure, they're nearly undetectable when they're running on batteries. But when they use up those, they're fucked. I would not want to drive a diesel boat. You'd have to be a master at making a quick kill. You couldn't enter sustained manuvers with a nuclear boat.

@ largeham -- see above.
Jack_Klein (897 D)
07 Aug 10 UTC
The endurance on diesel electric boats is quite impressive, actually.

The new type 212 submarines from Germany can go three weeks without snorkeling (they use a AIP propulsion system involving fuel cells).

Even on nuclear boats, if we shut down all the pumps and rigged for extreme reduced load, we supposedly could run off the battery for a couple days. And our shipboard batteries are more designed for maximum current output on the 3-hour rate (battery is expended in 3 hours), with the understanding that its merely a stopgap until we can either restart the reactor, or snorkel on the diesel.
largeham (149 D)
07 Aug 10 UTC
"You couldn't enter sustained manuvers with a nuclear boat."
See, that's the point. Diesel subs are only used in coastal areas, where there isn't much maneuvering. Only nuclear subs have blue water capabilities. You only use diesel subs in coastal areas, where they can be better than nuclear subs. In the open, I agree that nuclear subs will win.
centurion-

China has tens of thousands of YJ series anti-ship missiles. Given that the cost of each missile is less than 1/3,000th of the cost of a Nimitz-class carrier like the Bush, why wouldn't they launch a volley of, say, 1,000 YJs at any carrier that got within 400km of the Chinese coastline during a shooting war? 2 hits kill the carrier, and I don't know of any carrier group that can even dream of knocking down 999 missiles out of a thousand fired; even if everything works to perfection, they'll run out of ammo long before the math makes it inevitable that the defenses won't work.
As to aircraft's continued dominance of the skies, I'm betting that within a generation, drones without human occupants and thus much more maneuverable will make manned fighters just so much flying scrap metal should two respectably good air forces squabble.
centurion1 (1478 D)
07 Aug 10 UTC
Unmanned jets will never have the kind of response of a manned jet even if only for the unaviodable delay inherent and unstopabble to the system.

@bobgenghiskhan send out sorties before hand knock out firing stations and you would be surprised at the defenses of a battlegroup.

@jacklein my daddy flying his s3b cares to differ. Subs are useful for taking down convoys firing large missiles and hitting small battlegroups in wolfpacks. A sub group can never take on a carrier group
killer135 (100 D)
07 Aug 10 UTC
So, what kind of thread has this turned into? A war of future thread? Or a strongest military thread?
Invictus (240 D)
07 Aug 10 UTC
I think it's perfectly reasonable to think unmanned drones will someday become as maneuverable as a piloted plane and even more so. Who even thought we would be able to play music on a computer fifteen years ago?

The real question is whether two militaries with such aircraft would ever fight, and I'd say no. Two countries with that sort of technology would also have nuclear weapons so it's highly unlikely they'd risk escalation.

Also, Firefox seems to think "militaries" isn't a word. This in addition to never adding Obama. It's absurd.
centurion1 (1478 D)
07 Aug 10 UTC
A remote. Controlled device will always be inferior to a piloted device. However if we could ever develop artificial intelligence enoughm...... though that opens a whole mother can of worms
Invictus (240 D)
07 Aug 10 UTC
That's all but inevitable. Skynet, baby.
killer135 (100 D)
07 Aug 10 UTC
I'm going to start up a resistance right now I guess, anyone want to join it?
A remote piloted drone will not have the exact response time a human piloted jet. However, they can be a hell of lot more agile when you consider that they don't have to build in the safety tolerances necessary to a human piloted vehicle. A drone which can still remain operable even after executing maneuvers at twice the maximum g-force humans can without greying or redding out will drink the manned fighter's milkshake often enough to make sending manned sorties out against drones a seriously losing proposition.
diplomat61 (223 D)
07 Aug 10 UTC
@Centurion "Can you tell me a plane that can travel from its hone base to the war zone in minutes to lead sorties. Just because you can reveille midflight means squat tlyou have to rearm and pilots have to take breaks."

There is none at the moment but that is irrelevant with drones. Drones in Afghanistan & Pakistan are being operated from the US, they can be stuck on autopilot to fly to the nearest base for refuelling & rearming whilst the "pilot" switches to a fresh drone that has recently arrived in the action zone. It is a damn sight cheaper and you get to keep your expensive & hard to replace pilots in a nice safe bunker back home.

Also, go look at some of the stuff on sub-orbital spaceflight. It is expected that London to Australia would take an hour!
@ killer135 --

Do we get a choice of weapons? I'll take an M14 battle rifle (enhanced) and a Walther P99. Lol.

@ Jack_Klein --

I stand corrected. I wasn't aware of the advancements in D/E technology. But D/E boats are still at a disadvantage in blue-water fights.

@ largeham --

It is peculiar that Austrailia is buying nuclear subs. Maybe (in a potential war with China) they plan to use their nuclear boats to counterattack, while their D/E boats can defend the continent.


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ava2790 (232 D(S))
02 Jul 10 UTC
Commentary for "School of Classy (We Show You How)"
gameID=32686. Commentary rules and player list below.
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Conservative Man (100 D)
07 Aug 10 UTC
What is the most ironic thing ever?
Here's one ironic thing: The creator of Stormfront, a white-supremist (read: idiotic) website has the last name of Black.
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Conservative Man (100 D)
07 Aug 10 UTC
How's this for weird?
There's this girl at my high school who screams at the top of the lungs whenever she gets frustrated or stressed out. Sometimes we're just working in class and we suddenly hear screaming, and all the freshman are like, "why isn't anybody doing anything?"
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Conservative Man (100 D)
07 Aug 10 UTC
I have to go to bed
I didn't want to post this in each debate I'm having.
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Conservative Man (100 D)
05 Aug 10 UTC
Wow. The New Testament actually spells out in the which commandments we have to obey.
Read Mathew 19: 16-30. And note that when Jesus told the man to sell his possessions, he was actually saying one additional commandment we have to obey: Love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, mind, and strength. The man was putting his possessions before God, that is why Jesus told him to sell everything.
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frito (408 D)
05 Aug 10 UTC
Please Help Science
I am entering the third year of a science research class at my high school and so far I have had limited success with my topic, cryptozoology. I mounted an expedition to find Bigfoot, but came up empty handed. In order to have results to present at competition next year I have shifted the focus of the project and I would really appreciate it if you could take this survey.
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Iceray0 (266 D(B))
06 Aug 10 UTC
Website
A long time ago someone posted a link to websites containing different opening strategies, as well as other strategies. I was hoping somebody could post me a link here. Thank you.
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pyrofpz (0 DX)
07 Aug 10 UTC
happala
yo like theres a new live game goin on, and if you joined that would be hella awesome.
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curtis (8870 D)
07 Aug 10 UTC
live gunboat wta
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flashman (2274 D(G))
05 Aug 10 UTC
I want to know where you are...
Yes, you!
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Perry6006 (5409 D)
06 Aug 10 UTC
777 game
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=35293
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ptk310 (141 D)
05 Aug 10 UTC
Advertise World Diplomacy Games!
I've had troubles getting players to join a game of world diplomacy, I havent played this game type so i really want to so please join and use this thread to help members find your games!
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Bob Genghiskhan (1233 D)
02 Aug 10 UTC
An exemplary partnership
gameID=34979

Kudos to Russia and Germany in this game. I don't believe I've ever seen a partnership work this well. When you factor in that there was no messaging allowed in this game, their alliance was literally incredible.
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Thucydides (864 D(B))
06 Aug 10 UTC
Je care pas
a propos toi
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ptk310 (141 D)
06 Aug 10 UTC
New world diplomacy game starting!!!!
We still need 13 players and it starts in 11 hours so please come and join!
gameID=35209
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pyrofpz (0 DX)
06 Aug 10 UTC
live games
live games, hella quick paced. join now! please like seriously
oh my, just join a game already
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Captain_Jay (241 D)
05 Aug 10 UTC
Failed orders
During Autumn, 5, in gameID=34421, Egypt convoyed an army from Cyprus to Sidon and had support from Tyre and Arabia. Support hold from Antioch was cut, leaving one unit against three. Why did the move fail
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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
05 Aug 10 UTC
Obiwan and the TV Church: Attempting To Understand The People of the Book and Their Point
Well, it's a common criticism of me when I speak at school, on the bus, on this site-iif you're going to criticize the Judeo-Christian Tradition, you HAVE to give it a fair shot first, church and all.
So I'm tuned into "Uplifiting" on Dict TV: All Bible Study and Christian Church programming, all the time! (First observation--Christians can't afford better production values for their Holy Netowrk?) ;)
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stratagos (3269 D(S))
04 Aug 10 UTC
Apologies to Babak, The Czech, and Ava
re: our live game last night. I did not anticipate it taking as long as it did, or I would not have signed up for it to begin with. I will not make that particular mistake again
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TheGhostmaker (1545 D)
30 Jul 10 UTC
Winning, Boring Play and Some Stats
A question that has been bugging me for a while and has come up recently. How does one actually go about *winning* a diplomacy game, and why are some people better than others.... more inside.
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flashman (2274 D(G))
05 Aug 10 UTC
'I'm eating a sandwich now..'
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-10877768

And not a moment too soon either...
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Gobbledydook (1389 D(B))
05 Aug 10 UTC
End of phase "Now" problem
Every single game seems to have "Now" as the end of phase time...when obviously they aren't.
Can anyone look into this?
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TheGhostmaker (1545 D)
31 Jul 10 UTC
August Ghost-Ratings List Up
Current-list and All-time lists updated.

http://tournaments.webdiplomacy.net
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Conservative Man (100 D)
05 Aug 10 UTC
Stupid Diplomacy Question
You can't retreat to a space where there was just a bounce, right?
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Benibo (727 D)
06 Aug 10 UTC
Search the forum
Hello, I'm new here.
I would like to know if there is a way to search something in the forum.
This is because I don't want to bother you with questions that are probably already answered somewhere.
Regards.
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cujo8400 (300 D)
31 Jul 10 UTC
Juggernaut Football League
On Yahoo Fantasy Sports:
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Conservative Man (100 D)
01 Aug 10 UTC
Government is not good
But this website says it is: http://www.governmentisgood.com/index.php

First person to spot the logical fallacy in this website's argument, wins!
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