*sexual frustration/stress

freudian slip?

Indeed. Don't ask why nobody is doing anything. There is only one thing to do. And it involves picking flowers.

It's liberalism gone extreme. What she needs is to be dragged down to the principles office and have her ass whooped with a board...and I don't mean sexually. but instead, we live in this asinine ultra-liberal society in which everyone probably assumes she "has something wrong with her" and therefore are afraid to correct her self-centered, attention-gathering behavior for fear of lawsuits.

My wife and I had a niece that was a problem for *all* the family. But we live on the other side of the state, and saw her rarely. When we did, we were always kind to her - but strict. If she wanted to ride with us somewhere, or do something with us, we told her the rules and **enforce** them. Low and behold, the child was always well-behaved with us. Then we went home...and the terrible, loud, disobedient brat came back out - because nobody disciplined her. She KNEW how to behave....but usually chose not to.

Today, she lives in teh slums, has a criminal record and has no relations with her family, who eventually gave up on her. Shame on the family...shame on her...shame on a society that tells us discipline is wrong.

Beat the crap out of the high school brat!

@krellin: I believe that if you raise your child right through the terrible twos, there would be no need for discipline later on. (I myself am an example of this, I very rarely disobey my parents, because I was raised right when I was a toddler)

Yes, kudos to violent and shame-based cultures krellin.

After all, Imperial Japan wuz teh best eva, right?! :)

This troll is spamming the forum with inane thread after inane thread.

Ignore it, and it will go away.

@ Friendly Sword - who the fuck said I advocate "violent and shame based cultures"??? what sort of a fucing asshole are you that "discipline" equal violence and shame? God....you must be a *total* loser. Discipline CAN be....if you do not obey, you will not recieve "x"...and then being honest with your threat, asshole. God...

I love how Liberals equate "discipline" with violence. I guess when "tolerance" means "if it feels good, do it!" then anything goes. What a fucked up moron Friendly Sword must be to think that discipline automatically equals violence. asshole...

@Conservative Man - No....if you raise yoru child right *through ALL ages*....not just the twos...Education is a lifelong experience, and the role of a parent in teaching a child if forever. I am so thankful that my parents are still influential in my life, and never took the Friendly Sword ideology: "Oh...he's old enough to "x".....might as well let him..."

Do not obey, and you will not receive x? Basically, you end up bribing the kids.

"I am so thankful that my parents are still influential in my life, and never took the Friendly Sword ideology: "Oh...he's old enough to "x".....might as well let him..." "
Well, lucky you, either your parents were good people (I hope), or you've got the Stockholm Syndrome (I hope you don't). Oh, one of my friends has both (referring to the quote, not good people/Stockholm Syndrome comment), just because his parents allow him a lot of freedom, doesn't mean he treats them like dirt. From my experience, it is usually the kids with strict parents who end up hating them (like me).

It's funny how parent/child relationships work. Although CM is earning a record as a troll I'm going to have to agree and say that pre-5 or 6 is the real time when it's determined whether a kid will obey or dis-obey his parents. When I was little, I got spankings when I did something wrong, and so, for the most part, I didn't do anything wrong and I'm fairly sure that I haven't gotten into any large or even medium confrontations with my parents since I was under 8. I would definitely call my parents firm, but not really strict. I think that has alot to do with it aswell. If parents don't give a child enough leash then it makes a mess. In all it's really amazing and incredible how tough it must be to parent a kid. haha I hope I have what it takes when the time comes.

You are entirely correct, dear Krellin, in blustering that it might be unjustified of me to automatically associate any mention of 'discipline' with 'violence'.

Fortunately, you said;

"What she needs is to be dragged down to the principles office and have her ass whooped with a board"

"Beat the crap out of the high school brat!"

Honestly, I find the notion of beating/torturing your child for misbehaviour to be one of the most disgustingly barbaric practices of human society. Not only that, but violence against infants under six has clearly been shown time and time against to be incredibly psychologically harmful for the victim. The vast majority of perpetrators of violent offenses, I would note, were hit as a young child. Given the number of options available to parents, it is absolutely shameful that you or anyone else would still advocate for corporal punishment for misbehaviour or rejection of authority.

Sorry for being so serious, but I feel somewhat strongly.

Now back to off colour jokes!! Yay!!! :)

No discipline=no respect. What more can I say? If you don't discipline them, why would they ever respect you? If you give them what they want every time but one time, then chances are they're going to whine and cry and avoid you just because you decided they couldn't have one thing all their life.
Daughter"Daddy, I want an iPad and a Blackberry"
Daddy " Sorry, daddy got laid off work recently"
Daughter" No you didn't, you lied to me. WHY DON'T YOU LOVE ME!!!!!"
Daddy:" You want me to call my boss and ask him?"
Daughter:" I want what I asked for. Until you give me what I want, don't even talk to me"
Daddy:"I gave her everything she asks for and she blows up like that?! Where did i go wrong!"
Answer: No discipline, so she didn't respect what you had to say, and ignored you.

Here is my theory on parenting: Like the political compass, there are two axis of strictness. One is rules and discipline. The other is freedoms outside of supervision (i.e. curfew, being allowed out of the house at all, facebook/myspace accounts). My mom is strict on the freedoms outside supervision, but loose on rules and discipline. The FoS strictness has led me to misbehave outside of supervision. But the looseness on rules and discipline has made me obey my mom when she tells me to do something.
My best friend's mom is the opposite, and so he is the opposite. He never dreams of misbehaving on his own, but when his mom tells him to do something, he generally ignores her or is difficult. In closing it is best to be loose on both axis, but still have rules for your children. (So not super loose)

Note that the choice is not between being a harsh disciplinarian and giving your children everything they want. This is what we in the social sciences like to call a false dilemma. :)

Just don't hit your children or psychologically hurt them and we're cool. Teach discipline indirectly, and by example, yo.

I loved how you guys ranted with all of that profanity....it makes me want to laugh.

The subject matter, yes, from my experiences, I partially agree with CM. My theory is to be firm on discipline, but moderately loose on the freedom part. As a kid, my parents were strict on both ends and I stayed in the house while not in school a lot. So it was like
Friend: "Hey you wanna come to a party tonight?"

Me: "I'll check with my parents."

That's how that went a lot.

Friendly, do you consider spankings to be violent? believe that you are making a false correlation between blatant abuse and violence and things like a controlled, calm, tap on the hand or a spanking (also controlled, parent is calm). I entirely agree with you that if a parent is unable to detach themselves and be calm when disciplining their child then they should not use methods such as the ones I mentioned earlier, because then it starts to border on abuse because of the emotional side of things. However I know that personally I was never psychologically scarred from getting spankings and actually by the time I was remotely conscious I preferred being spanked compared to say not being able to go outside and play with my friends all day. However my parents were able to always discipline me in a very calm and controlled manner so it wasn't traumatizing at all. I have an Aunt who knew she couldn't do that though, and that she would be emotional, and so because of that she didn't spank her kids cause she knew she couldn't control herself so well. She went down the other routes that you talk about and her kids turned out fine. So I think that both methods can work, I most definitely would not call spankings barbaric or a slap on the hand (not with a stick, just with another bear hand). Maybe we just disagree though, and that's ok I guess.

@acmac: "Friend: "Hey you wanna come to a party tonight?"

Me: "I'll check with my parents."

That's how that went a lot. "

Isn't that how it's supposed to go? Or has my mom been even stricter than I thought?

the question here is whether he was 17+ or not (i.e. had his license). haha