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A. Smith (100 D)
03 Sep 09 UTC
Need help with a F2F ruling to satisfy players
Under the fold.
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rlumley (0 DX)
04 Sep 09 UTC
Live game anytime this weekend?
I'm sick. I have nothing to do. Who wants to play some diplomacy?
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JECE (1248 D)
31 Aug 09 UTC
A game says it paused on my Notices but did not pause
gameID=12152, Acorrding to my Notices:
Plan of peace
Game has been paused. Thu 09 PM
However, the game seems not to have been paused, maybe because of the reset phase times, and Italy has already gone into civil disorder. How is this sort of thing fixed?
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IKE (3845 D)
05 Sep 09 UTC
new gunboat
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=13189
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denis (864 D)
01 Sep 09 UTC
Where are you from?
Just curious cause I know this site is diverse and this is a chance to share your geographical heritage or locatoin
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djbent (2572 D(S))
10 Jun 09 UTC
The School of War
This thread is for ongoing commentary on the School of War games.
See also http://ghost-diplomacy.blogspot.com/ for more info.
New players - see inside for an invitation to improve your play.
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ag7433 (927 D(S))
04 Sep 09 UTC
Random Thoughts
See inside:
1. Time travel
2. Superbowl
3. Diplomacy prime age
ag7433 (927 D(S))
04 Sep 09 UTC
1. I did some reading on time travel via wikipedia, and was dismayed that the current theory does not allow for backwards time travel, but only future. And that in order to go backwards, we must first build a machine, wait some time, and then can travel earliest back to when the portal machine started functioning.

2. I had an idea for a Superbowl ad of a Superb Owl as the theme of a brand. Has anyone seen this? I know the NFL has naming rights for the Superbowl trademark, and Superb Owl is a nice gimmick (to me)

3. Who is the oldest person on this site? Has there been any statistics to the Diplomacy "prime" age? Like running is around 35 yrs, tennis is 20 yrs, etc.
zuzak (100 D)
04 Sep 09 UTC
What current theory is there on time travel? I thought there were several.
Acosmist (0 DX)
04 Sep 09 UTC
lolwikipedia
I did see some grafitti the other day that was funny and on topic. It read,

"Interested in time travel? Meet me here last Thursday"
McHuff (149 D)
04 Sep 09 UTC
Maybe we're just not thinking with portals?
zuzak (100 D)
04 Sep 09 UTC
One piece of advice: don't go near the black hole. It won't send you back in time, it'll rip you in half when you get close enough.
Thucydides (864 D(B))
04 Sep 09 UTC
Lol there was a time-travelers' convention at MIT in the 90s I think, when they were publicizing it they asked people to put adverts for it on acid-free paper in libraries everywhere. They gave the exact latitude and longitude. They said, "the great thing about a time-travelers' convention, is that you only need one!"

No one showed. Lol.
Toby Bartels (361 D)
04 Sep 09 UTC
Don't worry too much about ‘the current theory’ of time travel. This wormhole/portal business is just the closest way that people have thought of to build a time machine using only physics that we know is real. But 100 (even 50, I think, but certainly 100) years ago nobody had thought of this method, and there may be a new idea in another 50 or 100 years or so. It would be different if there were a clear argument that any other way necessarily would violate known physics, but there is not.

Also, even with the wormhole method, it's always possible that some extraterrestrial civilisation has already built a network of portals that you can catch a ride on someday, to go wherever you wish. (But the wormhole method does not allow you to change history.)
Acosmist (0 DX)
04 Sep 09 UTC
man baseless supposition is awesome
Macari (156 D)
04 Sep 09 UTC
The best proof that backward timetravelling is and will be impossible is that i (and supposedly we, mankind) never ran into a person from the future ...
Jamiet99uk (873 D)
04 Sep 09 UTC
I would prefer to assume that backwards time travel is entirely impossible. Otherwise, what happens if I travel back in time and kill the inventor of the time machine, before he invented it? Or what if I go back in time and kill one of my parents, before I was born?

Or what if I go back in time to 50 years before god was created?
ag7433 (927 D(S))
04 Sep 09 UTC
Jamiet: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compossibility

Theory with 2 facts: you can change the past, the physical ability. And at the same time you cannot change the past, a logical statement and restriction since it occurrred already.

The link explains better.
Jamiet99uk (873 D)
04 Sep 09 UTC
This appears to be about possible worlds as they exist in God's mind. I don't believe in God.
Jamiet99uk (873 D)
04 Sep 09 UTC
Travelling into the future is, of course, very easy.

I do it all the time.
Alderian (2425 D(S))
04 Sep 09 UTC
You beat me to the punch Jamie.

Here is an on topic comic from xkcd.com:

http://xkcd.com/630/
denis (864 D)
04 Sep 09 UTC
You can travel into the future today by going across the international date line
zuzak (100 D)
04 Sep 09 UTC
Backwards time travel could be possible even though we've encountered no time travelers. What if the time travelers disguise themselves, or no one believes them? Maybe there's some huge negative effect of backwards time travel, which prevents all but a few people from traveling back, who we haven't noticed. Maybe going back in time actually sends you to an alternate universe, identical to the original, except that time travelers appeared there. The fact that we haven't seen time travelers may be evidence against it, but it certainly doesn't disprove time travel.
warsprite (152 D)
04 Sep 09 UTC
The very act of traveling back would change the the past. Which would mean you would not go back in time the first place, or at least not precisely the same place and time. Which would mean you would not go back in time the first place or not the same place and time.
zuzak (100 D)
04 Sep 09 UTC
Changing the past wouldn't necessarily prevent you from going back in time. If I go to the past, look around without anyone seeing me, and then return, then nothing really changed that much in the past, at least nothing that would necessarily stop me from taking that trip.
zuzak (100 D)
04 Sep 09 UTC
That should be, going back in time wouldn't necessarily cause a paradox.
saf d e a t h (100 D)
04 Sep 09 UTC
well.. if you think as time as a function.. so time would be described as the x axis and space as the Y then time always flows from left to right (or visa versa however you want to look at it) but if time flowed forward then backwards (like 1/(x^2)) that is NOT a function and therefore can only exist in theory and never in reality.. and that Einstien baby
saf d e a t h (100 D)
04 Sep 09 UTC
also.. there is a universal LAW that states that matter can not be CREATED nor destryod.. so if you went back in time to a point where you already existed.. then there would be two of you.. and if there are two of you that means you copyd or created new atoms to create the new you which cant happen.. the closest we will ever get to time travel.. is teleportation which we are able to achieve via entangled particals. ( we were able to transport a few hydrogen atoms across a room during a lab experiment a while a go)
warsprite (152 D)
04 Sep 09 UTC
@ zuzak I was not saying it necessary would, but it might. But being there even for a picosecand, would change the universe at least in some small way. That might effect any traveling you do, or did in someway such as going back at secand later, or with a meter displacement etc. The butterfly affect.
warsprite (152 D)
04 Sep 09 UTC
Matter can be converted to energy or visa versa. Entanglement is not true transport but is closer to duplication.
warsprite (152 D)
04 Sep 09 UTC
Personaly I like the multiverse ideal. Every option even at the quantium level creates a new universe.
ag7433 (927 D(S))
04 Sep 09 UTC
Yes, parallel universe's seem to be an easier option to accept.
orathaic (1009 D(B))
04 Sep 09 UTC
@saf d e a t h:re:conservation of matter.

Yes, however that conservation law only applies locally, you can change the amount of matter in a space by moving some into or out of it. You may similarily be able to change the amount of matter in a time by moving it in or out of that time.

Also moving, that's an english word, in physics it implicitally means something which is not stationary, ie it has a location in space which is changing as time changes. Therefore moving in time implies something which has a position in time which changes with time? Ok, well no since we do find particles which travel back in time there is some meaning to 'moving in time' but in physics it's not what people think about it...

Especially regarding conservation of matter/energy, in physics it is possible for two particles to spontaneously appear, move apart (in space) and the collide dissappearing again (this actually violates conservation of energy, but only for a short time; and heisenberg said it was ok.) Now it came be considered a closed time loop.

One particle moves forward in time turns around goes back in time and then turns back again. It doesn't repeat this cycle again and again, cause there is only two particles at any given point in time, always one moving forward in time and one moving backwards. (and none before and after the creation/destruction event)

I'm not sure if the turning around bit though... most particles don't seem to turn around in time... or turn around at all without good reason. hmm. I think that's right, look up vitrual particles or ask a better physcist.
orathaic (1009 D(B))
04 Sep 09 UTC
but in conclusion, I don't know if conservation of matter is applicable to time travel considerations... in the very least it seems closed time loops are possible, (which doesn't mean you can go back in time, just that you can be a thing for which time is a closed loop.)
"The best proof that backward timetravelling is and will be impossible is that i (and supposedly we, mankind) never ran into a person from the future ..."

Maybe the future history books say life sucked in our era.
ag7433 (927 D(S))
05 Sep 09 UTC
... But what about the superb owl?
Draugnar (0 DX)
05 Sep 09 UTC
Or maybe the rule about only travelling as far back as the creation of the time machine applies.
redcrane (1045 D)
05 Sep 09 UTC
Too many blocks of text.
@jamiet99uk's very old comment.
That's called the grandfather paradox, where you kill yor grandfather so technically you don't exist, but you do.

@everyone: time traveling is suicide, suicide is illegal, and by the x=z theorem time travellng is illegal. And don't cheat in the lottery!

Lol at futurama
Let's say theoretically time travel is possible. I highly believe it is a bunch of bogus. When traveling in time would it not also affect the person traveling in time. (If this person traveled back 20 years he would be 20 years younger than he was when he traveled in time.) This would make time travel only available for a certain amount of time. This would also eliminate the grandfather paradox because, obviously, you wouldn't have been born yet.

One reason why I think time travel is a bunch of bogus is this point. When a person does travel in time wouldn't the rest of the universe's molecules have to dematerialize and reconstruct to configure what it would be in the past or present. This would in fact be impossible because a time machine could not stretch such limits or hold such capacity.

I don't know much about the time travel theory but that's just my opinion from my own simple observations.
redcrane (1045 D)
05 Sep 09 UTC
but because the of the theory of relativity, the person in spaced aged more, so the effects of youth were reversed.

Someone correct me if I picked that up wrong, but since everyone is BSing off the top of their heads anyway, I'm in.

and in that case, going back in time is like replay. you don't even remember anything. which, just causes restarting the instantaneous universal frame.

Who knows? it could've just happened right now. or now. or 7 seconds ago. or 7 seconds in the future.
orathaic (1009 D(B))
05 Sep 09 UTC
@redcrane: kinda...
@ZaZaMaRa: no, i think in a way, if time-travel is possible moving baackwards in time means the universe going back to an earlier configuration, just as moving forward in time results in the universe changing to a new configuration. so it don't think it is beyond the universe, at least acording to the laws of physics...

the only problem is the grandfather paradox, ie doing somethign which would prevent you from going back in time. It is not strictly forbidden by the laws of physics, which don't include causality, thouhg locality may imply some kind of causality... hmm.

@ag: the superb owl is a great idea.
warsprite (152 D)
05 Sep 09 UTC
Drifting through time passage.
rador (144 D)
05 Sep 09 UTC
to time travel, you must first answer some questions. does every chose cause a different parallel universe? is so, then the grandfather paradox cant happen, because a separate parallel universe would be created, where you do not exist. or does time flow like a river, never changing. in that case going back in time becomes impossible, but going forward is still possible.


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PakoPenguin (429 D)
05 Sep 09 UTC
New Game for Beginners
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=13187
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marestyle (185 D)
05 Sep 09 UTC
So, I was wondering...
I'm supporting my fleet with two of my armies to a territory.
The enemy support-holds his army in the aforementioned territory with only one army. Normally, I would win. However, if he attacks one of my supporting armies that are in adjacent territories - does he manage to defend himself? A hasty reply would be good.
Thanx in advance!
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vexlord (231 D)
05 Sep 09 UTC
A new game
107 D is quite a bit, but it means no first timers = less cd
gameID=13172
18 hr phases is a bit quicker but still workable with only 1 or 2 log ins per weekend
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DaveH (1611 D)
25 Aug 09 UTC
Are we all dudes?
Clearly everyone on this site is a huge nerd, which is totally cool. Are there any women-nerds who play this game?
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redcrane (1045 D)
05 Sep 09 UTC
new game... 107 D, 18 hours
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=13172
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El_Bernardo (148 D)
05 Sep 09 UTC
Locked game: WalnutCreek
I see it sitting there, started with 2 parties having left... I'd be interested in joining it but because it's locked, that's a bit hard. It seems silly to have a game just sitting there unplayable.
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MadMarx (36299 D(G))
01 Sep 09 UTC
C'mon Man
(a la SportsCenter)

I've drawn Italy in 7 of my last 10 games, including the first round of the TMG's Masters... C'MON MAN!!!!
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Draugnar (0 DX)
03 Sep 09 UTC
As I've offended so many of you...
see inside.
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nomoney (532 D)
05 Sep 09 UTC
process the games already
Nothing worse than all moves made and the game not processing the moves
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`ZaZaMaRaNDaBo` (1922 D)
04 Sep 09 UTC
Winner Takes...Everything
Join the party. http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=13155#gamePanel
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Still can't cancel Pause
This game is still messed up. Everybody shows a Pause vote, but there is no Cancel:Pause button, and the game isn't paused (and we don't want it paused, either).

http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=12464
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Darwyn (1601 D)
02 Sep 09 UTC
Being asked to quicken your pending elimination...
A couple times now on the verge of being eliminated, I've been asked to finalize my orders to "speed" the game along. Have others been asked this? And if so, what is your response?
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LanGaidin (1509 D)
04 Sep 09 UTC
Just need one more for a little gunboat action - see inside.
Literally, the name is a Little Gunboat Action - Part Deaux.

http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=13161
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Bonotow (782 D)
04 Sep 09 UTC
The green dots telling you that someone is currently logged on
I might be wrong about this but I have the feeling that those green dots also show up sometimes although the person is not online.
Just had that in one of my games where there was a dot after the French, that was then gone some minutes afterwards. Still it says: last logged on some hours ago.
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Game Frozen
Not sure what happened here. We tried to pause, but it ended up freezing the game. Now it won't unpause.
Moderators please help
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=12385
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ingwe (100 D)
03 Sep 09 UTC
New Game. "40 Something" for the geriatrics
New game for anyone middle or old aged, with some sense of playing the game for the enjoyment of playing the game. High levels of dialogue and literacy, particularly with regard to correct punctuation, spelling, capitalisation and construction of complex sentences will be assumed.

http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=13146
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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
03 Sep 09 UTC
The Geek Dream Team- YOU Choose
The youth hero, the youth's foil/scoundrel/friend, the comic relief duo, the wise old mentor, the hero's protector, the strong female, and the hero's army, the hero's vehicle- from Star Wars, Trek, LOTR, THHGTTG, POTC- Cast your votes!
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Phaedrus (248 D)
03 Sep 09 UTC
Updated, not Finalized
Just starting on PHP, though I've played on FB a bit. On FB, if you update but do not Finalize, the updates go through as your moves. Is that the case here?
Looking forward to this site. Hope to see a lot less people bailing on games early.
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soccerblocker (159 D)
04 Sep 09 UTC
Young Napoleans BDP Club!
post here so I can organize a game!
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tilMletokill (100 D)
01 Sep 09 UTC
Lock eyes...
from across the room
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Draugnar (0 DX)
03 Sep 09 UTC
Ivo_ivanov is an admitted metagamer.
I don't normally post names in the header, but look at the global chat log (which everyone can see) in http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=12415
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bonbon (100 D)
03 Sep 09 UTC
Who will win the World series
Any baseball fans out there well if there are who do u guys belive will win the world series this year
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Another mod help request - same game, same issue
This is the second time this has happened in this game. All my orders entered, it advances me forward with holds for all positions. Can a mod contact me directly at [email protected] to discuss?

Game 12366
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