We are Men o' Pause.

Men of Paws? Surely not... :P

Paused

Yes, well, the problem is that we didn't want it paused, we just couldn't cancel our pause orders.

Now that it's paused... we still can't cancel the pause. So it's different, at least.

How come you never got back on the LISP discussion? Can you have a paused lisp? Lisssssss...

I'm sorry if it sounds aggressive but I have come across so many 'software developers' in the past couple of years - most playing with a few tools to put minor applications together, that it has tended to overtake 'Investment banker' as the joke line on the CV. Tell me that you write complier in your sleep and remember the good old days of Algol (I actually used that in 1968) and are fluent in Fortran or something and restore my faith in the profession.

I don't much care what you think about my capabilities, but I've got 30 years of code under my belt, I grew up writing assembly, and I remember when CompuServe cost $4.75 per minute at 300 baud, not including long distance charges. Is that crotchety enough for you?

Also, I'm old enough that I've completely forgotten there was ever a LISP discussion. Was I really in a LISP discussion here?

Did I mention game #12464 is still screwed up?

Yes. I posted after you made your volcano quip following my references to having a unique operating system for security reasons. Then you sort of went quiet.

My comment above about software developers is genuine. If I were a seasoned programmer, I would avoid the tag like the plague.

If you are the real deal then I am surprised you did not see/respond to my LISP comments.

And, just to make clear: nice to see someone who actually understands the code behind the interfaces.

I unpaused it. I think the confusion is that when the game is paused the unpause vote still appears as a "Pause" button, which I'll fix

Once you click the pause button though it does appear in the member list that you've cast an "Unpause" vote

Oh yeah, flash, you're the Magical Mystery OS guy. Right. Didn't recognize the username. I wasn't really interested in that conversation. Frankly I think you might need therapy more than you need a "custom" OS.

Kestas, thanks. I thought "unpause" appeared as a Pause button on the right after Cancel...? Maybe I imagined that. I thought Ghost described it that way though. In any case, thanks for fixing it.

Just to throw in a few cents as to what this thread should be, and it may be covered in the other thread, I'm too lazy to find it.. But when we all voted pause, at one point the cancel pause button went away (the button entirely went away) and the game still ran. You may have fixed it or not be able reproduce that.

As far as Mr Good Old days goes, writing code in Fortran or LISP is rough. There's a reason people made newer languages & UIs. It's TTM. That's more of a business term, and as it sounds like you're only interested in a text based OS that doesn't show all those BS images and such. It's the equivalent to thinking that dredging an outhouse is superior to indoor plumbing because that's the way the hardcore people used to do it, or maybe just misplaced nostalgia..

A vote goes away once everyone has voted for it, because it gets added to the queue of games to process once a vote has passed, so once it is passed it's considered passed. If you've voted for it but there are active players who haven't it'll appear in the cancel list

What happened in your game is that the processTime was set to NULL, so it didn't get processed, but the processStatus wasn't set to 'Paused', so you wouldn't have been able to unpause it.

I'm not sure if this is a fixed problem or not since there have been some code changes there recently, relating to this sort of problem, but I'm happy to wait and see if something comes up since it's not a serious problem just an inconvenience

I think we have another case where we'll have to pause as two of the players are headed to Russia for a short period, so we'll keep an eye on it. If I remember right everybody voted pause within just a few hours in this one, since we all know each other, so that should be the same case again.

@Ninja... 'methinks the lady doth protest too much'.

@Naggers, the reference to LISP was in the context of my having mentioned that I have a machine that runs a custom written OS. It was written in LISP by a friend who preferred the elegance of using far fewer lines of code to achieve the same results as with other languages. It started as an academic project and he built the system for AI purposes. I have a stripped down version that runs a series of equally esoteric programs. Ninja, who says he isn't really interested, nevertheless took the time to make fun of the reference then left the scene.

My comments in here are because he has, more than once, dropped hints about his profound skills at coding. A little more grace on his part would stand a better chance of convincing me though because anyone who can write an OS, let alone do it in LISP, has to be a tad higher up the scale than a mere keyboard mortal.

It is not a nostalgia thing because I cannot write such code and never could. I am just a very old user of other people's programs. I do remember the lecture I was given though as to why LISP was used in this case and the reasons were substantial.

@Ninja...

Must remember that triad of cliches: didn't recognise the user name, wasn't really interested, frankly you need therapy. Lazy doesn't do that lot justice.

You do ramble on, don't you?

Sometimes, but then I don't have illusions of grandeur.

And I don't talk endlessly about "my life's work" or my "commissioned" super-secret spy OS. You wanna be the pot or the kettle?

Endlessly? Your use of words is somewhat lacking in accuracy for someone who claims to great knowledge of computing. In fact, along with the tired cliches, you are actually using a straw man argument:

You made the first and entirely gratuitous remarks about secret volcano spy base stuff - do you really have difficulty accepting that someone actually uses a non-standard system? That's all it is. I wanted something safe and fast. I was in a position to get it and I have used it continuously since then. You though have twice repeated the attempt to belittle this. Rather a failed strategy if I am telling the truth; you are on a hiding to nothing there. At some stage, one could easily challenge you to reveal the extent of your own original work...

I do have a data base, a very sizable one, that contains multiple manuscripts - quite a few published, and the notes I have used over the years with my courses. This is a life time of original work and I protect it jealously. I have been plagiarised in the past and have grown cautious.

You also seem to think that putting quote's around words devalues them. My system and some of the programs it runs were paid for: that's all commissioned means. Has anyone paid you to write a complete business application recently, not a modification, but a complete program to client specifications? And not you as part of a company or team, but you as someone gifted enough to be able to complete a whole project? Please give details: I would be the first to say well done. I appreciate original work. I get commissioned all the time for writing and lectures - that's how I survive.

You know, the man who wrote my OS is a tetchy bugger - quick to argue and not pleasant company a lot of the time. I'll tell you this though, if he'd heard across a bar that someone was talking about unusual programming, he would have been straight over to join in, not to try to make fun. If he had a negative to add, it would have been along the lines of asking 'why [they] had used this instead of that?' Straight technical stuff and a meeting of minds. That difference alone tells me more about you than anything else.

You will likely remain as a Software Developer in my mind. Systems Manager (1980s), IT Manager (1990s) and Software Developer (2000s)... Whatever happened to programmers?