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Chrispminis (916 D)
19 Jun 09 UTC
Chrisp
hey crispymins can i haz another account because this one is gettin bothered too much on the forum with serious and joke requests for multiple accounts. i promisises that they wont play in the same games. please please please please please!!!! u r so coool!!!
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spyman (424 D(G))
25 Jun 09 UTC
Live Games. What do people think of them?
I have played one live game. And by that I mean 15 minutes turns with the phase set at an hour. I had fun, but it didn't quite work out the way we would have like as three of the players went CD as soon as things didn't go perfectly their way, which I suspect is common problem.
So I think live games are a brilliant idea in principle, but hard to make work. Has anyone had a better experience? Or are there always problems like the kind I experienced?
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Von Woestein (646 D)
25 Jun 09 UTC
Support
Hi, can a fleet in the Golf of Botnia support a fleet in St Petersburg NC?
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Submariner (111 D)
23 Jun 09 UTC
Best Dr Who ever?
I know this isn;t the season for Dr Who, (though it would be season finale right about now usually!) but as Dr Who has just come on BBC3, it got me wondering what peoplpe thought.
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Xapi (194 D)
25 Jun 09 UTC
Live game today?
For all of us at-work Diplomaters, what about a live game today?

The crowd from yesterday's failed attempt plus a couple more might do the trick.
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DingleberryJones (4469 D(B))
24 Jun 09 UTC
Best 10 Minutes of a movie - Dialogue only
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hellalt (113 D)
26 Jun 09 UTC
new game-7point entry
No Noobs Allowed
http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=11797
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Akroma (967 D)
25 Jun 09 UTC
megalomania
http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/20090624/BREAKING/90624023/-1/RSS01?source=rss_breaking
"If the U.S. imperialists start another war, the army and people of Korea will ... wipe out the aggressors on the globe once and for all," a dispatch from the official Korean Central News Agency said.

Discuss
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ottovanbis (150 DX)
25 Jun 09 UTC
Fastest Game Ever, I Think
If anyone is interested in 8 hours there will be a game with one hour order phases with a buy in of 10 pts. The Name will be "Fastest Game Ever, I Think" I will post the game link in about 8 hours, but only if I get interest from at least 6 people. Please respond! I've never actually done a game like this, but I want to see if a game of Diplomacy can be finished in a day. This takes commitment and skill. Do you have what it takes?
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Panthers (470 D)
25 Jun 09 UTC
The best game ever!!!!!!
http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=11765
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germ519 (210 D)
25 Jun 09 UTC
25 buy in 24 hr phases
http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=11770

join now
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wiggin (1416 D)
26 Jun 09 UTC
CD Germany, 1902, in an interesting game
You've got your home countries, every (but France...) is still scrambling.
48-hour, pot is around 700.
http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=11615
Come join us...
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bishopofRome (0 DX)
26 Jun 09 UTC
If your online please join.
rlumley, mexierregicianman, Draugnar, Dunecat, farmerboy


You guys signed up for the short Fast and Loud tourney I have made the game.
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jadayne (283 D)
26 Jun 09 UTC
rules check...
If a country attacks a country which is providing support, is that support cut even if the aggressor is in-turn attacked (albiet unsuccessfully)?
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jbalcorn (429 D)
25 Jun 09 UTC
Support/bounce/dislodge question
OK, here's an interesting one:

three countries: A, B, C. four scenarios:
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airborne (154 D)
23 Jun 09 UTC
Short, Fast, and Loud
A quick 3 game tourney
7 slots remaining
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Rana (193 D)
26 Jun 09 UTC
Draw Request

I think all the surviving players in our game Warpcon 1900 want to call it a draw, how do we do that?
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figlesquidge (2131 D)
24 Jun 09 UTC
Films for a Diplomacy lover
The return of I'm Sorry I Haven't A Clue, and the posts thread got me thinking. Come on people, lets go...
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CongoNetherlands (109 D)
25 Jun 09 UTC
Anyway to back out of a game that hasn't started yet?
Anyone know? I got 3 going and don't want to get into the fourth.
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EdiBirsan (1469 D(B))
23 Jun 09 UTC
Face to Face over the Net-- how soon?
With all this capacity running, how soon before there is a web site which allows for video conferencing in a Diplomacy game as part of the standard feature just as we now have web based text messages?
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idealist (680 D)
25 Jun 09 UTC
ONE SPOT LEFT: GUNBOAT
48 hours (should be a fast game, however).
25 points WTA
http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=11766
password:abc
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fortknox (2059 D)
25 Jun 09 UTC
The power of making deals
I'm in a class (Dave Ramsey's "FPU"), and last night our class revolved around getting big deals and the keys to successful negotiation. I knew most of them and the rest made sense. I could make up a situation for all and demonstrate it. The wife asked me "Where'd you learn all that?" From watching the masters of Diplomacy, of course! :D
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mapleleaf (0 DX)
24 Jun 09 UTC
Hall of Fame Game - EOG Statement
Participants please post here.
mapleleaf (0 DX)
24 Jun 09 UTC
Germany -

My biggest worry in this game, as I told Dipper(Russia), was Jacob and Jefe(the Seminary buddies) being two of Russia, Turkey, and Austria-Hungary(always incorrectly referred to as Austria) and me being the other. Luckily, this did not happen to me, but it did happen to Dipper. The pot was huge. It was an 8505 point WTA game. My first mistake was filling Dipper in on this little factoid. Dipper, nobody's fool, immediately started joking about this on the Global and we all joined in. Dipper and I made a non-agg agreement before I made any other alliance, ostensibly so that DD could focus on "the seminary buddies" while I dealt with any E-F treachery. It was always my intention to stab the bejeezus out of Dipper, however. I felt that I owed DD from a prior contest(there's that unholy meta-mentality again). I hold grudges. We are a community, and these games are not played in a vacuum, regardless of what the liars and simpletons would have you believe. Nobody can control what's in my head anyway, so deal with it.
Now this all was not, of course, 100% accurate. Jacob(A-H) and Jefe(T) did bounce in Greece in Autumn 1901. So it appears that while sharing a dinner table, so to speak, they will still fight over the drumstick. Also, in a prior match and under great pressure from the other Great Powers, Jefe had refused to eliminate me(with the admonition that I had better remember it), though I was utterly helpless. I shared in the draw that game.
I have no issue at all with any of this. Life is a meta-game, people. So is Diplomacy. J and J are comfortable allies. This is a fact. To ignore it is, usually, to die. I do have an issue with cross board gaming, but this is another thing altogether. I will not belabour this thread with it.
As Germany, ignoring all past games, the spring 1901 problem is being in the middle. Everybody LOVES Munich, don't they? It can be a pickle. The most important Great Power for me to woo was, obviously, France. My first intention was for France and I to take out England, and we has many pre-game discussions to this effect. F-G, historically, is a formidable duo. We both wanted to grow a little first though, so when England suggested that we form the Western Triple Alliance(E-F-G), we all agreed. The problem for me with the WT Alliance, is that G usually gets taken out by the other two after R gets clobbered a little bit in the north/center (Also, the WT Alliance is easily spotted by experienced/good players. In this game, the others had correctly identified it by autumn 1901. If you can't identify a WT after spring 1902, it's time to consider video games).
Our WT Alliance started well. No treachery. To my chagrin, the result was that R-T-A formed an opposing Eastern Triple, but there was some minor infighting over there and I had immediately violated the DMZ that I had formed with R, so I felt that we had the drop on them.
This leaves Italy(MadMarx, of all people) as the wild card. MM played, IMHO, the best game of us all. MM played each triple against the other, and ended up surviving.
The first significant result was, IMHO, DD getting a build in the first year against some steep odds. This likely cemented their triple.
For me, there were two lost opportunities in this game.
1. We were constantly denying the existence of our triple, and E suggested that he/she cede Belgium to F in autumn 1902, in order to make it appear as if F had stabbed him/her(sorry E, but I am unaware of your gender). I started pushing for the stab, but F kept hesitating, even though E had no builds as a result of this ploy. To this end, I built a fleet in Kiel, instead of another army. To my horror, F built a fleet in Marseilles, instead of Brest. This ended any hopes for me of a F-G result. I needed to work the triple and try to stave off the probable stab coming my way. At this point, I became paranoid("became" paranoid. That's a laugh!) and, instead of ordering Kie-Bal, I ordered Kie-Hol. This effectively stalled our progress against R.
2. By autumn 1903, the stalemate line was well formed, except in the north where THE BALTIC SEA AND THE GULF OF BOTHNIA WERE COMPLETELY UNOCCUPIED. I am livid. Can you tell? Jacob, to J's credit, played the others beautifully by convincing them that the game was stalemated. I am reasonably certain as well, that Jacob had convinced stratagos(E) that, despite my position, I would engineer a stab. How I could accomplish a stab at this point is beyond me, but I had missed something. E(stratagos)had baby-sitted J's account in the past(look at Jacob's profile), and I was unsure of their relationship.
Despite the fact that E and I had fleets masturbating behind our lines...
http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=11388&msgCountry=England
...he/she(E) became convinced that the game was over and agreed to a draw. F followed suit. MM suggested in the Global that, since I was the only hold out(Jefe had not logged in yet, but was in no position to do anything except acquiesce), that I be eliminated and my share split between the others. I argued bitterly with my allies that there was no harm in playing the game out for another year, but neither of them would retract their draw request. By this morning, I saw that Jefe had agreed to the draw.

The game ended early. My conclusion is that I was handcuffed by weak and inexperienced allies who agreed to a draw TOO EARLY, especially E, and that E allowed Jacob to put the ring in his/her nose and lead him/her around(sorry E and F). I had absolutely no opportunity to stab either of them, and the game was not over. However, I had no intention of being odd man out.

A disappointing game.
stratagos (3269 D(S))
24 Jun 09 UTC
England -

I'm a guy, btw, maple ;)

The game was a fiasco on many levels, primarily because everyone was too afraid of losing to risk winning.

I agree with much of what Germany said - except what he didn't know is that France and I were in close communication the entire game, and that I was kept in the loop about all his efforts to set up a stab on me. To say there was a lack of trust between me and Germany would be a bit of an understatement. I actually kept in decent contact with most of the other powers, even Russia, and in many ways I wish a Northern alliance had been set up instead of a Western one.

I was actually *extremely* tempted to move on Germany instead of Russia prior to the final year, but some of the diplomatic press coming out of Austria made it seem that disunity would just invite the eastern triple to roll over us - whether that was true or not is almost irrelevant, my read on the situation was that Austria was so paranoid about elimination he would do *anything* to stave that off, including sticking with a Triple instead of engaging in his usual stabbityness ;)

So, we ended up with two opposing triples, neither willing to move on any member out of fear. I was unable to convince Italy to support us, and while it's likely the Triples could have wiped him prior to the draw, I didn't see any particular reason to do so.

While I agree the draw may have been premature, Germany's maneuvering left me little doubt he'd be coming for me as soon as he possibly could. His request to move my fleet into Bothnia didn't make any sense to me, and he spent more time calling me a moron than explaining how the elimination of the Russian fleet would be useful in the prevention of setting up a stalemate - especially since I would likely lose control of STP in the process. Nothing personal Mapleleaf, but the "diplomacy" part of the game is not necessarily your strong point.

While I agree the game was not what I wanted it to be, I actually feel I learned a bit from it, so I can't call it a *total* waste of time.
mapleleaf (0 DX)
24 Jun 09 UTC
Sent from: stratagos Online (1737 ) Sent: 05:59 PM...and he spent more time calling me a moron...
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Please do not force me to cut and paste our private conversations. I called you nothing. Not a moron; not anything. I did express displease with a few of your decisions, but I called you nothing.

Your statement is untrue. I would appreciate the honesty of a retraction.
stratagos (3269 D(S))
24 Jun 09 UTC
You are correct, you did not call me a moron. Your frustration in me not doing what you wanted was evident, however
stratagos (3269 D(S))
24 Jun 09 UTC
and you never did explain how eliminating the fleet would aid *us*, instead of just aiding you.
mapleleaf (0 DX)
24 Jun 09 UTC
#displeasure#
mapleleaf (0 DX)
24 Jun 09 UTC
...as opposed to "displease".

Sorry to double post.
Wow, the Hall of Fame Game drew in 1905 with all participants still alive? Not sure its even worth looking at the game play.
djbent (2572 D(S))
24 Jun 09 UTC
that's the problem with high pot games where people are more worried about points than about having a fun game.
ag7433 (927 D(S))
24 Jun 09 UTC
.... and now you see my (FRANCE) delight in the draw. There was incredible mistrust and arguement between E/G, and I really was expecting a collosal implosion in a few turns.

My build in Marseilles was based on this premise. If E/G implode and allies were swapped and changed, I would have pick of the litter between E/G (or possibly stay neutral). With 6 fleets to my south, my immediate concern would be to create a stalemate and hope to have Italy join to tip balance of power.

And Mapleleaf, your only commented a brief, short, indirect statement about me building in Brest. To me, the tone came over has 'bait'. To get me to provoke England, be weak in the south, and end up with more enemies. Perhaps if there was a plan or some benefit told...

You're correct that I'm inexperienced, since I've not played this game since 6 months ago (and a few times 10 yrs ago in high school), MM played Italy very well - although it was very frustrating to me. He was either solidified from the beginning not to ally with me, or I had the wrong approach every time I typed a message.

orathaic (1009 D(B))
24 Jun 09 UTC
i have to say this looks like the best game never played...
draws should clearly be banned :P
Friendly Sword (636 D)
24 Jun 09 UTC
This reminds of the first Public Press game I ever played. The east started off quarreling but at the hint of a western triple, became an eastern triple, thus strengthening the need for a western triple... etc. etc.

This is how I became disillusioned with the aformentioned triple alliances.

The only difference was that the person playing Italy was a tad crazy, so myself as France and the Austrian destroyed him before making a stalemate and then drawing.
stratagos (3269 D(S))
24 Jun 09 UTC
heh, I remember that game. What a travesty
Centurian (3257 D)
24 Jun 09 UTC
You think that game was frustrating? This high pot game ended in a 6-way draw. The only eliminated player? Moi. I could write a textbook on Russia implosions.

http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=6096
Xapi (194 D)
24 Jun 09 UTC
How the hell did France and Turkey manage to stay alive?
MadMarx (36299 D(G))
24 Jun 09 UTC
As Italy, I thought it made sense to ally with Austria initially, as well as have a NAP and DMZs with France for the foreseeable future. The Austrian bent over backwards swearing how even though he doesn't usually ally with Italy as Austria, that he would definitely ally with me this game, which is what I had hoped for, especially since the Turk and Russian did not express much interest in working with me, at least not initially, they wanted to feel things out a bit and/or wanted to discuss it in a few years.

Rumors were flying about a Western Triple, which appeared obvious, and those rumors were countered by rumors of an Eastern Triple. I played 1901 as neutral as Italy typically does and I soon found myself stuck between triple alliances. France made it clear very quickly that he was breaking our DMZs to come help me, unless I worked with Austria or Turkey, then he'd be coming to kill me. I begged the Frenchman to give me a little room to operate and at least attempt to break up the Eastern Triple on my own, try to at least get Austria and Turkey to fight, but to no avail, France was bringing everything my way regardless.

Communication with the Austrian was nice enough in the pregame, but there was something about the press that made me a little nervous. I'm always very paranoid, so I ignored it and continued on expecting him to be a good long-term ally (in 1901). A fleet build in Trieste along with many other hints regarding press made it obvious to me that the Austrian was coming after me as part of the Eastern Triple, rumors confirmed, so I tried to get the Turk to break apart from the Eastern Triple and work with me against the Austrian. There were lots of rumors about Jacob and Jefe within the game and how Jefe was Jacob's whipping boy and was more than happy to hand Jacob win after win on this site (even Jefe confirmed this, though different words/phrasings were used to describe the relationship, of course), so I probably should have just allied with the Frenchman at that point... BUT, I couldn't get over how quickly the Frenchman threw away our DMZs and planned to surround me no matter what, that if he liked what I was doing he would be my ally and if he didn't he'd be my enemy, that didn't comfort me in the slightest as I'm the kind of guy that likes to go with the flow and be accommodating to my ally, that's the kind of ally I like to work with, a team first kind of ally...

As the game proceeded, the Frenchman insisted that he'd not eliminate me if I worked with him to break the Eastern Triple, that he'd share a draw with me and the others of the Western Triple would insure he kept his word to me, but I ultimately could not forget his earlier stance and felt I couldn't trust him to keep me alive long term, especially since my fate would be 100% in his hands. I felt like I couldn't trust anyone. Austria claimed he turned on me because BigDipper insisted on it, something that seemed very likely that BigDipper would do based on my previous experience with him, so I believe that. The Englishman and German did appear to be friendly towards me, but at the same time they were allowing the Frenchman to surround me and if you aren't part of the solution you are part of the problem.

Very early in the game the Frenchman made a comment how many people were discussing what my opening moves would be, as Italy... what?!?! I've never played Italy very well and was very surprised people were all that concerned about the Italian, but I suppose that was a clear hint to me that I would be in for a rough game. Ultimately the only thing I could trust was that the Austrian was hell bent on stalemating the Western Triple and I took comfort in finally finding someone I could trust to not stab me, but only because it would be his death as well as mine if he did.
MadMarx (36299 D(G))
24 Jun 09 UTC
PS - The Austrian also confirmed his relationship with the Turk, but again, different words/phrasing was used to describe it...
Jefe (100 D(S))
24 Jun 09 UTC
Turkey - Jefe

Those are some interesting comments by the other players in the "Hall of Fame" game. So, here are some of my thoughts.

It is true that I like the dogfight. Most of the games I have won have been boring by the end. It doesn't mean I don't like to win. But I like playing with a partner, no matter who wins.

I can only remember three games with Jacob before this. The first one we never really interacted with each other. I think he won that game, but it wasn't by any coordinated help. The second game we teamed up and rolled across the map. Jacob won because he ended up with better position and less opposition, and probably because he is a better player. The third game I had with Jacob was more disappointing in that to win the game quickly, Jacob decided to leap into a few of my SCs in what he thought was going to be the last Autumn turn. Well, he misjudged an SC somewhere, and it took a couple more turns for him to win. That is the stock and trade of this game, the betrayal to get the win. It isn't that I let him have it, I just couldn't stop him. But I remember being more disappointed that he executed it so poorly. That bothered me more than him taking the SCs. And I shouldn't talk. I've had several mistakes in orders lately due to inattention.

In this game, DipperDon was the player I was trying to stay allied with. Don and I have played more games together than Jacob and I. But Don and I have always been on opposing sides, usually due to geography. This game, Don and I wanted to do an R/T jug. But we were concerned that everyone would see it before the pre-game. I knew I could work with Jacob to a certain extent, but I was trying to stay with Don this game. Sorry, Jacob. I would have worked with Jacob until I couldn't anymore. If we ended the game that way, then fine. If not, that's Diplomacy. Then the seminary stuff started, and I think Don could never quite trust me or Jacob after that. I like to find one person to work with in a game and keep working with them until one of us wins. In this game, it was to be Don. So, if you read this Don, we'll have to find another one sometime.

It is true that I kept Mapleleaf alive in one game when I could have wiped him out to reduce the shared points. That did not make the others happy. But I successfully argued that I couldn't afford the units to defeat Mapleleaf's one unit and keep a line to force the stalemate with the others. And I do want him to remember it. :) Not that I expect to get anything out of it. But maybe he'll spare somone, who is actively trying to stay alive. The few extra points aren't that worth it. I also had fun blaming Mapleleaf for every rumor that came my way. I don't know where they all came from. But, everyone seemed to agree that Mapleleaf knew how to work the board. :)

I wish we had known how fragile the Triple was. It looked fairly strong, but sounds like it had people looking over their shoulders more than we did. I find it comical that a bunch of players at that level couldn't even eliminate one country. But I have experienced this before. I think it was the the game where I saved Mapleleaf that was another WTA for about 1400 points. Someone I was working with was convinced, by a player I was "whipping," that it was a WTA/1400, too much to risk losing. Suddenly I had no allies and it drew to a stalemate.

I wasn't counting on winning the "Hall of Fame". I thought it would be a good game, interesting to see how I fared, and that eventually I could always get points back through other games. So, now I'm looking for another 1K+ game. :)
- Jefe
Chrispminis (916 D)
24 Jun 09 UTC
Haha, seven-way draw after a few years. Fantastic. I'm impressed by MadMarx's ability to stay in the game. It really looked like he was completely screwed.
Jacob (2711 D)
24 Jun 09 UTC
I'm writing this before I read everyone else's comments =)

I was a little nervous about making such a high pot WTA game, but I figured that most people would be too chicken to join.

...and then it started to fill up...

I had played with everyone in the game except MadMarx. I had an ok relationship with stratagos, ag7433 seemed like a competent player (only played him once beore i think, so my impressions were vague), mapleleaf is a lovable turd, dipperdon and I have a somewhat tortured relationship, and then jefe joined... I was glad that madmarx joined as I felt it might put someone in the game with a bigger bullseye than me.

...and then I drew Austria...crap!

My first concern was what to do regarding jefe and DD. Don and I have fought pretty much every single game and I didn't really want that to continue so if it made sense to ally with him I was going to do it.

Jefe and I have allied every time we've played to the point that it is embarassing. It is somewhat of a handicap now. I was intending to obliterate him first chance I got.

Italy wanted to ally with me and that is really the best thing for Austria so I was initially very eager to ally with him.

I was very concerned that a game like this might inspire some larger alliances and I was worried that a western triple might form. The spring 1901 moves looked suspiciously western triplish and so I wanted to put together an eastern triple to balance it. I really wanted to make it an R/A/I alliance but Russia seemed inclined to make it an R/A/T. I was reluctant to agree given my history with jefe, but Russia didn't seem interested in including Italy. So....I worked with jefe (again) to attack Italy. That spawned all kinds of wonderful remarks...

The worst part about this game is that I had mentioned to France (I think) that there was talk of an R/A/T. I mentioned this near the beginning of the game when I had no intention of including T. However, the western powers got scared (or maybe they really did plan the triple all along...) and decided to do a triple. That meant we HAD to have a triple in the east as well. It kind of felt like all the talk about triples turned into a self-fulfilling prophecy.

For a little while I thought there would be hope that France would turn on England. If he had turned then I was going to take down Italy and then turn on Turkey like gangbusters, but that never materialized.

Eventually it became clear that we needed to create a stalemate line, and fast! Unfortunately we had too many fleets in the southern seas and so even though we had more supply centers our units weren't on the front lines. Italy had a good plan for a stalemate line and we all went for it.

I'm kind of bummed out by the result, but I'm also glad to escape with my points considering I was Austria.

Good game everyone!!

-J
Jacob (2711 D)
24 Jun 09 UTC
Also - where the heck did "seminary buddies" come from?? I don't know Jefe from Adam...
Jacob (2711 D)
24 Jun 09 UTC
Also, I never told Italy that I "usually attack Italy" when I am austria. Usually, I have been attacked by Italy when I was Austria. I am just as firmly convinced as MM apparently was that A/I need each other at least in the beginning. This game just took a weird turn.
ag7433 (927 D(S))
24 Jun 09 UTC
..and Steve? j/k :)
MadMarx (36299 D(G))
24 Jun 09 UTC
Sorry, Jacob... you said something about how you don't usually ally with Italy as Austria, or ally with Austria as Italy, or something like that, I am somewhat of a generalist at times (like lots of architects, know a little about lots of things and a lot about few things... but know enough little things to get a relatively clear picture of the whole), so I guess I made assumptions as to the reason why...

I don't typically look back at people's past games, since so much of my play is a direct result of in game press, I figure that's how others proceed as well, so past games don't really offer too much... or maybe I'm just lazy! Anyway, I never looked back to see if Jacob did attack Italy when Austria, I just assumed. I never even checked up on the Jacob/Jefe connection, I heard rumors from more than one person and both Jacob and Jefe confirmed the basic assumption, so that was more than enough...
MadMarx (36299 D(G))
24 Jun 09 UTC
PS - I entered this game with the thought in the back of my head that it would be nice to ally with TheBigDipper at some point because I've always butted heads with him in past games as well... I'm not one to force my "will" on the game as I like to go with the flow, and it was merely one of many thoughts I had about the game, but things never had a chance to flow in that direction (mainly because Don himself was redirecting the stream away from me!), but I do find it interesting how many people "wanted" to ally with the Russian for the same reason of "always" butting heads with him in the past... BigDipper, what do you do to people to turn them off so much?! ;-)
DipperDon (6457 D)
24 Jun 09 UTC
MM, the answer to you question lies, of course, in the way I approached my first, oh, 75 games. Generally, I would try to identify who the best opposing player was either in points or in apparent diplomatic skills during '01, figuring he was the biggest threat to win, and then I would find a weaker player to use as an ally against him. And I stayed allied with the weaker player at least until that good player was dead. In the early low-pot games, there would only be a really good player here or there, but because they were often the best player on the board, I was consistently targeting them when we did meet. Of course, some players misunderstood what I had been doing, and thought I had it in for them personally, but that wasn't the case. I was trying to eliminate the player I saw as the biggest threat, regardless who it was. As I've moved up into larger and larger pots, I've run into those players more often, of course, and there are more very good players in each game. So I've abandoned that earlier strategy because it just isn't practical any more. In this Hall of Fame game it makes sense that most of the players would be people I haven't allied with much, because they were the kinds of players I was trying to eliminate first in my earlier games.

And like the others who have mentioned it, I was looking to ally with them now because of past conflicts. I have no desire to make permanent enemies, and have more recently been making conscious efforts to work with those people I've fought in the past.
Before I could make any firm plans on whether to side with Turkey or Austria against the other, Germany violated our dmz of Silesia and came after Warsaw, and England put an army in Norway and appeared to be headed for StPet. From then on, I had no choice but to say "western triple!" to anyone who would listen, and try to keep Jacob as Austria from coming at me also.
This was a short, but hard fought game, with a bunch of really, really good players. I feel fortunate to have gained the draw that I was most readily willing to accept, given my beleaguered position.
See you all next time!
MadMarx (36299 D(G))
25 Jun 09 UTC
BigDipper, I was mainly joking around with you, but they do say there is some truth to every joke. Regardless, I really like your answer, makes all the sense in the world to me.

I was, honestly, a little surprised that everyone agreed to a seven player draw. I figured you and/or the German could relatively easily be weeded out, especially since we each put in well over 1,000 points, taking out two people would gain everyone else 500+ points. I was more than happy to draw as well, just because I saw no light at the end of the tunnel and I am glad at (and respect) the fact that nobody was interested in continuing just to gain some points... though, at the same time, I'm guessing if one or two players were targeted for elimination the entire dynamic of the game would have changed and other eliminations would have opened up... Anyway, certainly an interesting experiment, largest WTA pot in the history of the site, a record that hopefully won't be broken, based on how this one played out...
Jacob (2711 D)
25 Jun 09 UTC
the next one will certainly play out differently =)
DipperDon (6457 D)
25 Jun 09 UTC
Jacob, I'll be watching for "the next one". 1500 buy-in?
Jacob (2711 D)
25 Jun 09 UTC
yes, something like that sounds good to me - i probably won't be ready to play for a couple weeks though. I'm going to be out of town taking kids to camp and then it's vacation the week after. (although I'm not opposed to diplomacy on vacation! =) )


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idealist (680 D)
25 Jun 09 UTC
NEW GAME PLEASE JOIN: GUNBOAT

http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=11766

password:abc
6 replies
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orange.toaster (1149 D)
25 Jun 09 UTC
Rules Question
I thought you were able to convoy an army to attack a costal province with support from an adjacent fleet/army? Ie: Move London to Brest via Convoy. English Chanel convoy London to Brest. Mid Atlantic support London to Brest.
If you can, how do you input this move?
11 replies
Open
jman777 (407 D)
24 Jun 09 UTC
Russia
What're ya'alls favorite russian openings?
27 replies
Open
BarryChuckle (100 D)
23 Jun 09 UTC
Unpause request
the game http://www.phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=11497 was paused because CommissarForWar was a multi, but he had already been eliminated before being banned.
26 replies
Open
jbalcorn (429 D)
24 Jun 09 UTC
USA v. Spain in Confed Cup Semis...
Spoiler ALert!!!!
26 replies
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ag7433 (927 D(S))
25 Jun 09 UTC
NEW GAME: WTA - Drama Queen Edition
http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=11767

101 pts to join
30 hrs / turn
2 replies
Open
SirLoseALot (441 D)
25 Jun 09 UTC
Meta-gaming? need help from Admin
gameID=11097# I'd like to talk to a Dip Admin that knows the meta-gaming rules, etc.
2 replies
Open
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