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Wolfyboy (100 D)
07 May 07 UTC
Changing some1 else's order?
This is the situation:
An attack is launched from an enemy in Sweden into My Denmark.
My Denmark is supporting My fleet at Hel which is moving into the enemy at Kiel.

Considering no other armies are involved, the outcome would be Denmark support move get canceled and will be changed to "hold", because the attack move from sweden. After that, the attack on Kiel will end in a tie.

But..... Let's say we add another army, mine, in Norway. This army then attacks Sweden. What happens?
1) Since Sweden can't take over Denmark, so it stays in Sweden. Then, because being attacked by Norway it changes it's move to "hold", and tie with norway. After that, The support from Denmark is renewed, and Hel win against Kiel.
2) Sweden stays in Sweden and holds against Norway, but still cancels Denmark support move.

Which is correct? 1 or 2?

BTW, sorry for not linking to the actual game, that is because it's a theoretical question, Since this scenario is not explained in the "help"...

Thanks a lot for helping me, Wolfyboy
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Ignoramus (100 D)
07 May 07 UTC
Annoying bug.
When I ordered my fleet in London to the English Channel and my army in Wales to London, they both bounced as apparently they attacked each other. There was nothing blocking the English Channel and no fleet bordering it apart from my own, and I've checked my orders and nothing should have prevented the London fleet from moving.

Any thoughts?
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braddles31 (100 D)
07 May 07 UTC
Russia
Are these ok moves to open in sprin 01 if you are allied wih austria and germany, at war with england and not sure re turkey?
the following moves would be:
g.o.b-swe
stp-nor
ukr-rum
sev s ukr-rum
(assuming Austria supported from serbia, and they along with G didnt attack)?
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Zxylon (0 DX)
05 May 07 UTC
Question
Why is Icleand on the Diplomacy Board
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braddles31 (100 D)
07 May 07 UTC
new game
Pre war open to all
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The Mahatma (1195 D)
06 May 07 UTC
$helpunitid Error
A $helpunitid error is being triggered when I try to enter "The Faster Game". Our phase is over in about 2 hours, so I hope the phase doesn't process without me being able to submit moves!
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Wolfyboy (100 D)
06 May 07 UTC
Taking over Territories
I moved from Con to Bulgaria in my 1st turn (I'm the Turks). Do I now need to stay with this army in Bulgaria in order to conquer it? Becase it doesn't appear like I control it yet...

I hope I made myself clear, english is my 2nd language...

Wolfyboy
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Worldbeing (1063 D)
06 May 07 UTC
Potential bug
In the game <Manipulation> (id=997), I'm playing Germany, and held Denmark.
In Spring 1902, I attempted to move my F Kiel into Denmark, but was told it was stalemated. However, the English fleet in the North Sea moved in.
Either:
-why did he get in when the territory was stalemated? or
-(if he had support from Sweden) why was I told it was stalemated, when I should have been told I was defeated?
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isbian (106 D)
06 May 07 UTC
North and South Coast
When you're moving into a country that has North and South coasts, why can't you pick which coast you want to move into? This would open up a lot of new strategies and possibilities, and would mean less people being in awkward situations when their fleet ends up on a different coast.
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isbian (106 D)
06 May 07 UTC
New Game
The game UT 1901 was created. Another one of my games whose name has something to do with a computer game. Please join.
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Brutus (114 D)
06 May 07 UTC
Rating Hierarchy
What is the ladder? Political Puppet, Casual Player,... Pro?
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hannibalking (100 D)
06 May 07 UTC
World
Is there any game of diplomacy that involves the world beyond Europe?
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new game
everyone is welcome to become part of a new game i created. it's entitled "join! no password!" i am new to php but not new to diplomacy in general, and i'd encourage all levels of players to join.
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Alfa (1308 D)
26 Apr 07 UTC
What country are you from?
How global is the community on phpDiplomacy?

United States of America here.
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Arthas (1769 D)
05 May 07 UTC
Country Colors
For the official version of Diplomacy, England; France; Germany; Italy; Austria; Russia; and Turkey are dark blue, light blue, black, green, red, white and yellow respectively. Is phpDiplomacy going to use those "official" colors or are we going to stick with the colors we have right now?
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figlesquidge (2131 D)
03 May 07 UTC
Longest Game
I'm just wondering what peoples longest ever games are, because one of my games is at the end of 1936! The main reason for this is that twice we have reached stalemate lines, and then had them broken because of holidays and the like. If I remember correctly, the game was started back in February, which gives an idea of it's age! Links:
"Awesomeness Game" (http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gid=333)
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eonwe (411 D)
04 May 07 UTC
"glaurungs wrath" frozen
Message: phase end "due now". I know this error happens a lot, but if it calls for any manual intervention i'd appreciate if anyone could fix on it.
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Sun_Tzu (2116 D)
28 Apr 07 UTC
Errors in Adjudication
I had an error in adjudication, one unit supporting another unit into a SC. Defending unit attacked the supporting unit which caused the support to fail, WRONG. This is critical and basic mistake! Is there any way to correct it?
dangermouse (5551 D)
28 Apr 07 UTC
Did the defending unit attack the supporting unit with it's own support?
Sun_Tzu (2116 D)
28 Apr 07 UTC
Ofcourse not! No other units were involved.
Zxylon (0 DX)
28 Apr 07 UTC
I had that happen to me too. If this were the rule than a single unit defending could hold out indefinately. All he would have to do is to attack either the attacker or the supporter. If he attacked the attacker they couldnt switch places and the attack would fail. If he attacked the supporter than he would cancel support and the attack would fail. This did occur on one occasion. I was attacking Belgium from Holland with support from Picardy. The defending unit attacked me and prevented me from switching places. I dont know what the actual rule is but it needs to be fixed
Sun_Tzu (2116 D)
28 Apr 07 UTC
It is NOT the rule! One can't hold out agianst two no matter what they do! The question is, there any process to correct the error in a game?
Physics (231 D)
28 Apr 07 UTC
I've never heard of this problem before...
dangermouse (5551 D)
28 Apr 07 UTC
The adjudicator normally handles that situation correctly, which is why I asked about other moves. Is possible that other units effected the situation. What game is it?
Sun_Tzu (2116 D)
28 Apr 07 UTC
The game is Diplomacy1, English fleet Skag supported English amry Swe to Den, Germany fleet at Den attack Skag and it said my move failed. Which should not have happen.
dangermouse (5551 D)
28 Apr 07 UTC
Hmm, the only possibility I see is that you accidentally ordered another fleet to Skag and cut your own support. (Either that or you submitted attack orders wrong I suppose) Kestas should look into it.
Sun_Tzu (2116 D)
28 Apr 07 UTC
There was NO error in my orders, I check. No other units effected the situation. Who and how do I get someone to look into it!
fastspawn (1625 D)
28 Apr 07 UTC
do u think that germany did a den->ska movement? The computer could have judged it as disrupting your supporting, but a stalemate and then another stalemate as your unit tried to move to denmark?
Sun_Tzu (2116 D)
28 Apr 07 UTC
Thats what happen.
kestasjk (64 DMod(P))
28 Apr 07 UTC
You didn't support Norway from Ska, you supported it from the North Sea, and Germany attacked the North Sea.
Sun_Tzu (2116 D)
28 Apr 07 UTC
I moved Swe to Den with support from N. Sea and Ska!
N. Sea was hit but that still left 2 on 1. Which CANNOT fail! The moves were RIGHT, the adjucication was WRONG!
Agian I want to find out how to correct it. If can't help then don't comment!!
kestasjk (64 DMod(P))
28 Apr 07 UTC
Diplomacy1, Spring 1904, Diplomacy:
Sun_Tzu:
The fleet at Norway support the fleet holding at North Sea.
The army at Sweden move to Denmark.
The fleet at Skagerrack support the fleet holding at North Sea.
The fleet at North Sea support the army at Sweden move into Denmark.
The fleet at English Channel move to Belgium.
Sun_Tzu (2116 D)
28 Apr 07 UTC
I'm Talking about Autumn 1904 moves!
Bel moves to Hol
N. Sea & Ska support Swe to Den
Swe to Den
Nor to St. Pete

Agian the moves were RIGHT! I check them!! Adjudication was WRONG, for the 3 time!!!! I have been playing this game for many years!
kestasjk (64 DMod(P))
29 Apr 07 UTC
My mistake (These words are much easier to say when you don't use lots of capitol letters and exclamation marks, by the way :-) )

Diplomacy1, Autumn 1904, Diplomacy:
Sun_Tzu:
The fleet at Norway move to St. Petersburg.
The army at Sweden move to Denmark.
The fleet at Skagerrack support the fleet at North Sea move into Denmark.
The fleet at North Sea support the army at Sweden move into Denmark.
The fleet at Belgium move to Holland.
Fri 07 AM Autumn 1904, Diplomacy: Your fleet at Heligoland Bight prevented the fleet at North Sea from giving a support move.

Fri 07 AM Autumn 1904, Diplomacy: Your army at Warsaw prevented the army at Moscow from giving a support move.

Fri 07 AM Autumn 1904, Diplomacy: Your fleet at Holland moving into Belgium recieved move support from the army at Burgundy.

Fri 07 AM Autumn 1904, Diplomacy: Your fleet at Denmark couldn't prevent fleet at Skagerrack from giving a support move, because the support was being given to attack your fleet at Denmark, and you had no support.

Fri 07 AM Autumn 1904, Diplomacy: Your fleet at Holland engaged the fleet at Belgium head on, and your unit won.
Fri 07 AM Autumn 1904, Diplomacy: Your army at Livonia attempted to move into St. Petersburg but there was a stalemate.

Fri 07 AM Autumn 1904, Diplomacy: Your fleet at Denmark was attacked by the army at Sweden, but sucessfully defended.

Fri 07 AM Autumn 1904, Diplomacy: Your fleet at Holland sucessfully defeated the fleet and moved into Belgium.

Fri 07 AM Autumn 1904, Diplomacy: Your army at Warsaw attempted to attack the army at Moscow, but failed.

Fri 07 AM Autumn 1904, Diplomacy: Your fleet at Heligoland Bight attempted to attack the fleet at North Sea, but failed.

Fri 07 AM Autumn 1904, Diplomacy: Your fleet from Kiel sucessfully moved to Baltic Sea.

that's what happened on my side.
Sun_Tzu (2116 D)
29 Apr 07 UTC
NO the fleet at Ska supported the Swe to Den!!
Sun_Tzu (2116 D)
29 Apr 07 UTC
If I screwedup I couldn't find it in the post move orders.
Druadan (100 D)
30 Apr 07 UTC
Diplomacy1, Autumn 1904, Diplomacy:
Sun_Tzu:
The army at Sweden move to Denmark.
The fleet at Skagerrack support the fleet at North Sea move into Denmark.
The fleet at North Sea support the army at Sweden move into Denmark.

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Seems to me that you should have won that one. Looks like your Skagerrack support move to North Sea into Denmark disrupted North Sea because it wasn't actually moving to Denmark but was supporting Sweden's move to Denmark. Sounds like a wrong adjudication but I stress I am not a Diplomacy expert.
alex.forencich (833 D)
30 Apr 07 UTC
Skagerrack supporting the North Sea was pointless. Supporting a fleet giving support does nothing. The German move from Heligoland Bight disrupted the only direct support to Sweden. You would have won if Skagerrack had supported Sweden directly. No errors in the adjudicator here.
jaradthescot (153 D)
30 Apr 07 UTC
Wait, so if A attacks B, with C supporting A.. is A not supported, so its attack continues? If not, good thing I've read this thread :p
jaradthescot (153 D)
30 Apr 07 UTC
*should be, so its attack continues even if it was attacked by a single other army/fleet? ("D" for example)
Druadan (100 D)
30 Apr 07 UTC
Ah yes, Alex is spot on. I missed that move in the Germany move list. It was indeed totally right adjudication.
The Mahatma (1195 D)
01 May 07 UTC
Jarad, if A attacks B with support from C, A will be successful so long as D does not attack C. What Sun_Tzu did was to order A to attack B with support from C. D attacked C. He thought he ordered E to also support, but E supported B's (non-existent) attack. Sun screwed up!!!!!!!!
Sun_Tzu (2116 D)
01 May 07 UTC
If those are the orders then ofcourse I didn't make it. Skagerrak was to support Sweden to Denmark.

I looked in the post move remarks and couldn't find the mistake. I have been playing for years and knows the rules well. I'am not above making making mistakes. We need to be able to view the moves so when we make mistakes they can be identified.
dangermouse (5551 D)
01 May 07 UTC
You should always be able to view all of your own moves on the gamemaster tab. It's just other player's moves you can't see unless they effect you.
Sun_Tzu (2116 D)
02 May 07 UTC
It didn't tell me which unit the Skag was supporting. It just said support was broken, but you can't break support when that unit is supporting an attack on it.
Arthas (1769 D)
02 May 07 UTC
Sun_Tzu, according to your orders you submitted the fleet at Skagerrack was supporting the fleet at North Sea to attack Denmark, however the fleet at SWEDEN was the fleet that actually moved. Therefore, your support at Skaggerack was null and Germany was able to cut your support at the North Sea, thus holding on to Denmark. If it was any mistake I believe it was yours. Maybe when you were making your orders you scrolled down to order the next unit - but forgot to click out of the box first and ended up changing where the support was given. This happens to me plenty of times.
Arthas (1769 D)
02 May 07 UTC
And the support you gave from the North Sea (the valid one) was cut by the fleet at Heligoland Bight, which was not the intended attack position.
Alphadelta (100 D)
02 May 07 UTC
if you attack the supporting unit then the support is stopped and the enemy attack is stalemated. Tactic used by the really good players that taught me, in order to beat a two vs. one. yes it is legal.
The Mahatma (1195 D)
02 May 07 UTC
Wrong.
Zxylon (0 DX)
04 May 07 UTC
Then a 2 v 1 could hold out indefinately. Ive tried it and I think (I dont know what the actual diplomacy rules are) that cou should be a ble to support a unit giving support so that an attack on the unit giving support could hold off a 1 on 1 attack
The Mahatma (1195 D)
04 May 07 UTC
Wrong.
Worldbeing (1063 D)
04 May 07 UTC
Mahatma, just saying "Wrong" is incredibly unhelpful.

This report probably explains why 1 can't defend against 2 better than I could;
Fri 07 AM Autumn 1904, Diplomacy: Your fleet at Denmark couldn't prevent fleet at Skagerrack from giving a support move, because the support was being given to attack your fleet at Denmark, and you had no support.

In other words, support isn't broken if it's supporting against you.
The Mahatma (1195 D)
05 May 07 UTC
Sorry, I guess I was playing Crispminis game of being last to post. Anyway, it's all in the rules.


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Rait (10151 D(S))
05 May 07 UTC
The game 'The Fast Game' is hanging
The game id is 810
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nuclearshimmer (153 D)
04 May 07 UTC
Just what the name says...
PLAY QUICKLY has opened and is ready for anyone that wants a fast game.
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Wolfyboy (100 D)
04 May 07 UTC
New to diplomacy
What do (nc) and (ns) mean?
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krokodil (823 D)
03 May 07 UTC
Next phase 'due now'
Ive noticed that when Time runs out for a phase, and some people dont have their orders in, it just says the the next phase is 'due now' and then waits until the late players put in their orders.
Has anyone else noticed this? Or is it an Isolated incident.

Not a big problem just wondering is this normal.
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Zxylon (0 DX)
03 May 07 UTC
Game Question???
When a stalemate occurs on the game board it appears as a red X on the region the stalemate occured. But you can see the red X for Austria because it blends right in. If you have a "to do" list on fixing the minor errors on this amazing website. I would appriciate it if you could change the X to Black or White. Thanks
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Worldbeing (1063 D)
03 May 07 UTC
I return!
As promised, so I deliver!
The fabulous, amazing, Worldbeing has returned....
But, yeah, what's been happening?
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aoe3rules (949 D)
02 May 07 UTC
A random idea
Player search system
A box where you type letters and it gives you a list of players whose usernames contain the characters you searched for. The list can be sorted alphabetically, by player rank, time joined, etc. When you click on a player's name, you go to the information page (the one we have already, with rank, timezone, etc.). That page should have a link to send that person an out-of-game message, which appears on their forum page as a notification message.


i had a lot more of these, and i'll post them if i remember any.
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Arthas (1769 D)
29 Apr 07 UTC
Gamelistings.php is a Blank Page
Somebody please fix this problem ASAP!
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Brutus (114 D)
02 May 07 UTC
The psychology of Diplomacy players
Does anyone know of any studies done by psychologists of Dip players?

There's all kinds here, but is there a "profile"?

Any amateur diagnoses?
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Ralyndi (1106 D)
02 May 07 UTC
Good bye.
I'm afraid I'm going to have to stop coming onto this site. Don't get me wrong, I love diplomacy, but lately I've been neglecting my school work, and I'm under a lot of stress right now. There are more important things that this site at the moment. I may be back in the summer, though. =) I'll try my best to see my current games through, but that's it. I'm sorry to all my allies I've let down by missing a few turns here and there, and for the turns I will miss in the future.
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pappy97 (135 D)
01 May 07 UTC
Why are people rude in phpdiplomacy?
Why are people so rude in phpdiplomacy? Not as a whole, but a few characters:

"03:42 PM okay, will you shut up now?"

Come on now. This is ridiculous for ANY diplomacy, internet or F2F.
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pappy97 (135 D)
02 May 07 UTC
Why is the game "de_dust" not advancing to next phase?
All powers have entered orders but the game has not advanced to the next phase. Why is that? Thanks.
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