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Nikola Maric Eto (24945 D)
08 Mar 16 UTC
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How weak you have to be...
to attack Trieste in spring '01?
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DammmmDaniel (100 D)
09 Mar 16 UTC
NEW GAME
Sup guys! new game please join here ASAP http://www.webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=175756
Fun modern diplomacy map!!!!
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jpuhrer (369 D)
06 Mar 16 UTC
Civil Disorder - How many un-sumitted orders until Civil Disorder
I'm currently playing a 20-hour/phase game in which I've seen two players not submit orders for over 5 seasons as well as the retreats and disbands. Really slows the game if the player has left the game. When does Civil Disorder take over and moves are made automatically?

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Jeff Kuta (2066 D)
07 Mar 16 UTC
The Free Takeover Experiment has Failed
The Free Takeover Experiment has Failed
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Hyperion (998 D)
07 Mar 16 UTC
Sengoku, Rise of Shogun Ad
A variant based on vdiplomacy:
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Looking for players to join!
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Frenchmontana (20 D X)
06 Mar 16 UTC
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what does the draw vote do
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redhouse1938 (429 D)
25 Feb 16 UTC
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The United States have gone completely mad.
Hey guys, it's redhouse, it's been a while.
Just so you know: the US have gone completely mad. If you have Donald "bleeding from wherever" Trump heading the major right wing race and Mitch "Constitution? What's a constitution?" McConnell heading the senate, something is wrong.
Very, very, very wrong.
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Sevyas (869 D)
03 Mar 16 UTC
Slow game for reliable players
Details inside
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Smokey Gem (154 D)
07 Mar 16 UTC
Convoys Caucus to Kazakstan
Is there a way we can ask the mods/devs why in Modern Dip you can't convoy and army via Caspian sea Caucus to Kazakstan ??
5 replies
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kasimax (243 D)
02 Mar 16 UTC
3 gunboat games
25 buy-in each, 48 hour-phases (readying up appreciated), dss, public draws, high rr.
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Yoyoyozo (177 D)
04 Mar 16 UTC
Can you 1 way draw?
Scenario: 9 days from now when the "Clark is a skrub" live game begins.
everyone but you CDs, but you, being so valiant and gentlemanly, puts up the draw vote. When the CDs are adjudicated, Do you solo? or Draw?
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domwnec (254 D)
06 Mar 16 UTC
Gunboat signals
Are there common signals in gunboat? For example, does a support move indicate "I want u to move there" while a support hold indicates "I want u to stay there" while an attempted movement indicates "I want u to support me there"???
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Powow (679 D)
06 Mar 16 UTC
Join Game
Need 2 players to join
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brainbomb (325 D)
05 Mar 16 UTC
Tea vs. Coffee
So I have decided that its really hard to choose between the two. I drink probably about 6 cups of coffee a day using Keurig. But then I also use herbal peach tea and scottish breakfast tea for when I get bored with the coffee. In all I likely drink about 12-15 cups of something hot and thought provoking a day.
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Maniac (189 D (B))
04 Mar 16 UTC
Mafia Town Strategy
Sharing best practice.
Maniac (189 D (B))
04 Mar 16 UTC
Whilst i don't accept that the last game of Mafia was terrible from the town's point of view, i do think that town play could be improved. Anybody want to share best practice to help Town nail scum?

My number 1 suggestion is to be on one of the lead contenders at day's end, even if you think they are both horrible lynches, vote for the least worst lynch.
Yoyoyozo (177 D)
04 Mar 16 UTC
Mafia was great last game. Not sure if you read through the chat, but I went 2 for 2 with PRs. bb and krellin basically ran the show when I died and sucessfully got the other big talkers lynched.
reedeer1 (100 D)
04 Mar 16 UTC
If everyone voted their top read without anyone else knowing, the mafia would have to pile all their votes together and then it would be easier to find the mafia by looking at who is on the largest lynch. This requires everyone to be on at EOD though, and complete cooperation of town.
Yoyoyozo (177 D)
04 Mar 16 UTC
My #1 tip is to come up with stategies that separate scum from town. everyone has this thing where they're like "X is acting scummy because Y" when Y could very well be done by a town person so it's a really shitty reason and they get lynched. I suggest carefully looking at each game and figuring out behaviors that only scum exhibit (that's how I pegged so many scum in my priory 2 games as town) but if you can't figure that out, figure out a behavior where 60% or more of the people who exhibit the behavior are scum. ND in previous games used statistics to find scum and it was absolutely brilliant. Meta is your friend.

Also use occums razor. There's no need to go into WIFOM 8 levels deep in order to find scum.
brainbomb (325 D)
04 Mar 16 UTC
Never let anyone be friendly to you. Nobody should townread anyone at all. Vote for every single player at some point in the game. Talk relentlessly. Bury the bread, and burn the crumbs. Suggest absurd paranoid theories that the mafia know all the PR's and then proceed to mislead the mafia right and left. Bite at every conversation. Get involved in conversations that dont concern you at all and break them up in case its just bussing or wifom.
Ask everyone for reads, question peoples reads, especially their null reads and slight scum reads.
brainbomb (325 D)
04 Mar 16 UTC
Try to get lynched and claim scum roles for reactions. pretend you were roleblocked or jailed. Pretend to be the cop on day 1 and just act like you are stupid and townslip
OB_Gyn_Kenobi (888 D)
04 Mar 16 UTC
If you have a brilliant scheme never tried before but one that you are 100.1% sure will find scum, don't do it.

Just don't.
brainbomb (325 D)
04 Mar 16 UTC
I like the "challenge" authority one. Remembering M15 where I was the only one questioning the legitimacy of HR being cop lol
Fluminator (500 D)
05 Mar 16 UTC
Logic, gut, meta, vca, nka, motive, interactions, roles, gambits.
Don't lurk.
If you're VT, be useful and active.
Be convincing in your arguments since personally catching scum is only half of it.

Build up town motivation. Make the game fun so other players get more involved.


Or if you don't have time just pick a random guy and tunnel until something happens.
Yoyoyozo (177 D)
05 Mar 16 UTC
#fuckthepolice
Jeff Kuta (2066 D)
05 Mar 16 UTC
#FearOfABlackLivesMatterPlanet
ghug (5068 D (B))
05 Mar 16 UTC
I'm not sure I should really be talking after that disaster of a game, but I think being very straightforward is a big deal. People try to send weird signals to each other and do all all sorts of crap with PRs and I get why you think it's useful, and sometimes tricking the scum into thinking you're a PR is nice, and the occasional reaction test is OK, but in the end the useless obfuscation is going to benefit the people trying to limit information more than the people trying to figure shit out. That brainbomb just turned in a brilliant scum performance exemplifies this.

Also, if you offer to claim PR at night, I will do whatever is in my power to get you lynched.
reedeer1 (100 D)
05 Mar 16 UTC
@ghug, but what if your trying to draw a night kill?
brainbomb (325 D)
05 Mar 16 UTC
Well we had an informant (meme)
So N1 we checked ND he wasnt a PR that gets messages hence no need to waste a kill.
N2 we checked you reedeer1 you made me nervous that you maybe were a PR.
N3 we checked ghug
N4 we checked Goldfinger

We technically never scanned any PR but that also gave us a better range of targets to Kill instead.
Informant is great at plucking out fake breadcrumbs
brainbomb (325 D)
05 Mar 16 UTC
Vecna and Chaqa made me think they were PR. Keep in mind if it had been me making all our Night Kills town would have won. Meme, and yoyo were amazing at reading the real PR from the fake stuff.
brainbomb (325 D)
05 Mar 16 UTC
my job was just to fill space and confuse town and talk the most. Thank you for the compliment but some of the fake claims actually confused me alot. The only nightkill I ever took charge on was goldy.
Maniac (189 D (B))
05 Mar 16 UTC
@flum - some good advice there. How useful do you think meta actually is and whilst I agree 'gut' can be useful, I hate seeing a list of reads with 'gut feeling'. Your gut is useful to you, but won't convince anybody else and makes you look lazy/scummy.
Maniac (189 D (B))
05 Mar 16 UTC
@BB - it might be good idea to open a Mafia strategy thread, let's keep this town
ghug (5068 D (B))
05 Mar 16 UTC
PRs should have no trouble hiding, reedeer. The mafia's guess should be as good as anyone else's. Tricking the mafia also tricks the town, and making yourself outwardly appear to be a PR should be seen as scummy, as acceptance of the tactic allows the mafia a powerful tool.
ghug (5068 D (B))
05 Mar 16 UTC
Maniac, please don't open a second strategy thread. There are already two mafia threads on the front page.
brainbomb (325 D)
05 Mar 16 UTC
I was just saying that if your going to crumb something; like goldfinger for example. He said he was clock, or kept mentioning time. Its Oracle.
Okay strategically why is that good? Well A. it tells PRs to scan him and tells maf to avoid him.
conclusion: Since it tries to scare off a mafia kill but its done as a breadcrumb all mafia would need to do to confirm it is to use stalker or informant or worse use a framer on him and get him mislynched.
We didnt really think he was cop. I thought he "maybe" was doc. But when Maniac died I was pretty sure all of goldfingers breadcrumbs were just a pointless hoax.
Same with reedeer1, ND and Chaqa. Sure I believed them for a while... but they never seemed very comitted to their own fake crumbs.
Maniac was an obvious PR and I thought he was Oracle. I actually begged meme not to kill him and meme overuled me. I was prepared to resign.
brainbomb (325 D)
05 Mar 16 UTC
I wanted to kill Vecna instead thinking he was cop. So for people like brainbomb sure codes and crumbs pique my interest. but thats the beauty of it being a team game. brainbomb doesnt call all the shots. Which is why krellin is our MVP. towns codes absolutely kept me guessing. you just didnt outsmart meme and yoyo. :)
brainbomb (325 D)
05 Mar 16 UTC
Always listen to your dead PRs final words.
brainbomb (325 D)
05 Mar 16 UTC
Vash, OB both told you lynch krellin or bb
ghug (5068 D (B))
05 Mar 16 UTC
It's only worthwhile to listen to a dead PR's final words if they had some additional information. A dead Vig is as useless as a dead VT.
Maniac (189 D (B))
05 Mar 16 UTC
Brain if you want to tell us again how great you all were as Mafia do it in the game thread please. I'd prefer this to be generic thread about town play.

Good point about listening to dead town, they might not have useful insights but giving them a re-read when alignment is know is useful.
captainmeme (1584 D Mod)
05 Mar 16 UTC
I think it's not so much 'listen to your dead PRs final words.' as it is always try to figure out why someone was killed. So many times people go down and nobody gives a second thought as to why specifically that person went down.

I've brought this up quite a few times before and every time the response has been 'it's all WIFOM, they might've killed him so you thought he was on the right track.' No, it's not, because nobody ever bothers to analyse deaths so taking out someone for this purpose wastes a mafia nightkill for no reason whatsoever, and likely harms them because they've taken out someone who was on the wrong track.

Mafia almost always kill people for one of three reasons:

1) They thought they were a PR.
2) They're a strong player and can rally votes, generally someone you don't want around in the endgame.
3) They were on the right track with their reads.

When someone dies, look back and try to figure out which of these is most likely.
guak (3381 D)
05 Mar 16 UTC
I am going to say: keep it simple. The more townies complicate things, the better for mafia. Players like brainbomb and krellin are awful as town but great as mafia for this reason. They are natural obfuscators and that always helps mafia.

Optimal VT play means we have to keep it simple. Whoever does something blatantly scummy needs to die early on as that flip will yield a lot of information. Obviously, townies also need to try to avoid doing blatantly scummy things like forcing a tie or lynching a claimed PR. I think that when you are forcing mafia to get creative they may slip more often. If you make things really easy on them they can just cruise until the end,
Fluminator (500 D)
06 Mar 16 UTC
@Maniac
Meta is incredibly useful. It is also the most misused one there is probably. I'm guilty of being terribly wrong with it when I rely on it too much too.

In my experience, it's very bad at mixing up scum with power roles as well, since a townie with a power role usually plays somewhat similarly as if he was mafia. Second hand meta is especially useless, and some players are good enough that meta is basically useless on them. (I'd consider meta useless on you Maniac. FYI, motive is generally how I try to read you.)
But meta still has its place. It's purest form is basically understanding how the other player works and having experience playing with them. The more you know them, the easier it becomes to figure them out.

Gut is pretty useless when making a case. Generally you keep a gut read to yourself until you get some actual evidence. But honestly, it's probably the most accurate one.
brainbomb (325 D)
06 Mar 16 UTC
IE Flum has never been scum; he will be in M 18
Fluminator (500 D)
06 Mar 16 UTC
I've been scum. Just not here.
Maniac (189 D (B))
06 Mar 16 UTC
@flum - I take your point about meta and agree with you on gut. I just think that players need to factor in that players do develop as the games go by (I'm certainly not same player as I was early days). Also real life does affect playstyle on game by game basis and that looks like a meta change but isn't.
Vecna (890 D)
06 Mar 16 UTC
The most important thing is defend the shit out of yourself when youre on the chopping block and are a potential lynch as a townie. Ive been scumread heavily every game (mostly by ghug) and I usually get attacked left and right on day 1. Never been lynched though.

Run with it and defend yourself. If townies at least put up a proper defence such that the lynch goes to the next person, chances of lynching scum go up considerably. I see it way too often that people are just apathetically taking it in the ass so to speak.

Now if only I would have a way to get proper scumreads earlier in the game, since im pretty much allways wrong around midgame.


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c0dyz (100 D)
05 Mar 16 UTC
Play styles
What is your play style?
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c0dyz (100 D)
04 Mar 16 UTC
Predictions
Any predictions on the outcome of this game? It is pretty deadlocked, and Turkey will not draw. gameID=174854
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JEccles (421 D)
04 Mar 16 UTC
Gunboat Strategy
What is the best way to open as Turkey in a gunboat? I can't figure it out.
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Chaqa (4231 D (B))
02 Mar 16 UTC
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The King is Dead!
Been awhile since we did one of these. Now that we have unraked games, it will be much easier to run one.
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bo_sox48 (5202 D Mod (G))
15 Feb 16 UTC
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Daily "endless drivel" Thread
Post your endless drivel here and only here.
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CommanderByron (863 D (S))
01 Mar 16 UTC
Oh no!
Ah! The end is near! We dip has ceased processing games. Our lord Zultar, praise be onto to his, has fallen and thus our glorious servers have fallen. If prophecy should predict, then Zultar will rise from the ashes of his former self and restart our servers.
#kestas didn't pay the electric bill
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perezmanda29 (0 D X)
04 Mar 16 UTC
Buy Registered IELTS & TOEFL, ESOL certificates without attending the Exam.
Buy Registered IELTS & TOEFL, ESOL certificates without attending the Exam.
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perezmanda29 (0 D X)
04 Mar 16 UTC
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04 Mar 16 UTC
Buy your Passports, Driver license,ID cards,Visa,green card, credit cards and many more
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Bob Genghiskhan (1258 D)
03 Mar 16 UTC
Trench warfare...yaaaay! participants.
Hey y'all, replacement Austria here, good game.
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Yoyoyozo (177 D)
03 Mar 16 UTC
WHo was in that live game that just got canceled?
I can't stop laughing!!!!! I put in like 2 hours into that game, and then it just randomly canceled? Who was in it?
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Flame (100 D)
03 Mar 16 UTC
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For Russian Speaking players
For Russian Speaking players! Please visit us:
http://diplomail.ru
Hope Kestas don't mind it. Thanks.
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Hannibal76 (246 D (B))
03 Mar 16 UTC
Welcome to Join
Hey guys. You're welcome to join this game. We need 3 more people
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JEccles (421 D)
23 Feb 16 UTC
Football (Soccer) Club Advice
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Nikola Maric Eto (24945 D)
01 Mar 16 UTC
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Dont redo your moves when drunk
Dont redo your moves when drunk
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