[NOTE: posted in the Gunboat SOW thread, so not necessarily applicable to FP, but some of us play both and it's a interesting and constant question in both types of play]
rokakoma (18688 D)
31 Jan 2014
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About bouncing with sweden:
I think there are cases, when Germany MUST bounce russia. One particular case is, when England opens English Channel, strongly anti-French, and Germany bouncing sweden sends the message he will prevent Russia to expand north, hence he is willing to work together with England.
A specific example is:
gameID=88274 where I was Germany, DipperDon was England and we literally cleared the board very very fast.
Also, there was a debate already about sweden,
threadID=877939, where I've said and I still stick to it:
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If England opens anti-french (for eg to EC) then, if germany is willing to cooperate, he bounces russia, to show he will help england against france, and not let russia to bother them.
But there are cases when germany needs a strong russia, for example turkey gets to BS, england opens to Edinborough posing no threat to Germany, it could be a good idea to make them fight.
If Russia opens north (mosc->stp) you might also support him, so he will secure scandinavia resulting a weak england, so germany can fight france.
If Russia opens weak south, you also might want to help him, because he will build south then, to support his units, slowing down turkey/austria.
As Split stated, you have to take all 7 countries' moves into count and make the decision according to that. Basically, if you need a strong russia, oyu let him in, if you have a good alliance by the very first move, you bounce.
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Conclusion, there's no rule fitting every game whether to bounce or not, it always depends on 7 players. In this SoW Gunboat it wasn't really a question, as Germany didn't even had the chance. Gemany made a decision, to open a way, sending a strong message who he thinks his enemy is. It's the other players' task from now on to go along with Germany or not.
I have also seen games, where russia got into Sweden, but he did NOT build in StP, and England was clever enough not to take StP. Just like Italy doesn't take Trieste. The result was an extremely successful English-Russian alliance. Yet this alliance didn't really get into the common thinking and until it does not pose any risk. But if England and Russia realize in the coming months' games they could actually work together, than Germany will get used to bouncing sweden again.
This game is contantly evolving, what was working a year ago, 2 years ago, and so on, might not work anymore. Keep that in mind, always.