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10 Feb 14 UTC

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Bible Verses - Not At All Daily

Rejoice.

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abgemacht (1076

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11 Feb 14 UTC

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Chess Tournament Thread 2

Old one got locked.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1hoR6nzgzKiUGk-pdBLRJmHNWUsZO0NYZhd8MdpEUSfI/edit?pli=1

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09 Feb 14 UTC
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1 year anniversary game

See inside!

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13 Feb 14 UTC

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What is rich?

Rich I believe is a relative term. What do people here consider rich?

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13 Feb 14 UTC

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So, Abou those Bitcoins....

Seems your freedom-loving currency ain't all it's cracked up to be.

http://gizmodo.com/somebody-hacked-into-silk-road-2-and-stole-all-the-bitc-1522447611
I'll try not to giggle too loudly as the prices *plummet*...

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14 Feb 14 UTC

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Never played Diplomacy, have board game-help

Had the game for 10 years, never found anyone to play, watched several YouTube videos, like to play and online game.

Thanks-ncng

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Modern Diplomacy 2

This map looks like it doesn't get enough love. I cordially invite you all to join!

http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=135721

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Unions

Can anyone explain to me why I'm strongarmed into paying a bunch of highway robbers ~5% of my teaching salary? As far as I can tell, the only thing my union has ever done is prevent me from negotiating my own salary. Thanks for that.

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Country Randomizer

I have been playing here for some time, and I'm a little upset with the way the randomizer works. I have started in 25 games and have not once been chosen to play as Turkey. I have been Turkey once when I joined midgame. I would like to play a game from start to finish as Turkey, but it has yet to happen. Can somebody explain how the algorithms work exactly and why I have yet to be Turkey yet have been Russia now 6 times.

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Randomizer (722

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13 Feb 14 UTC

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Justin Bieber - Deport or Tax?

Should Justin Bieber be deported back to Canada for public admission of illegal drug use and other crimes or allowed to stay in the US so we can tax him to help with the deficit?

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13 Feb 14 UTC

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Candy and Politics

Where do YOU fall?

http://foodspin.deadspin.com/chart-does-your-choice-of-candy-reveal-your-politics-1522123029

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11 Feb 14 UTC

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Putin's Dilemma

One of many liberal paradox's, I call this one Putin33's Dilemma:

USA must intervene in all humanitarian war disasters (CAR, Syria, S. Sudan, etc.) -- but if USA intervenes in war, the USA is committing war crimes in the act of war itself (Drones kill!).

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12 Feb 14 UTC

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Italy Opening Strategy 2.0

Things are getting interesting.

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13 Feb 14 UTC

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Boring

I've been gone 6 months and you're still talking about the same crap.

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12 Feb 14 UTC

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Draug did NOT get addicted.

gameID=132439

France was an *idiot*. I brought two fleets down to help him hold the line and he instead decided to take my SCs. Then, when the line was held again, he attacks my fleet and pops it leaving one fewer defenders on the line that was our eventual downfall. Roka, you are a fool!

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13 Feb 14 UTC

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[Bug] Can't move a fleet from Petra to Nabatea

We're playing a game on the Ancient Mediterranean map, and for some reason I can't order my fleet in Petra to move to, or support a move to, Nabatea. Only Red Sea and Sinai.

http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=133544

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13 Feb 14 UTC

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Replacement player needed for a relatively good Russian position.

gameID=132903

It's a private game with a good group of players that has played together fairly frequently. Russia has had some family matters that he needs to attend to and must leave the game.

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06 Feb 14 UTC

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Anyone else watching the 6 nations?

With one weekend down, how do you feel the teams played, and who's your favourite to win?

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13 Feb 14 UTC

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Give a mark of approval for this post

I just now noticed that tooltip shows up when you hover over a "+1". Has that tooltip existed since the +1 system was first implemented?

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Site Gunboat Tournament

I strongly recommend everyone check out the 2014 Gunboat Tournament. Everyone can afford the by in, and the format gives everyone a shot at competing. The prize pot is site sponsored, and we (the mod team) want to make sure everyone knows they have a chance to participate. threadID=1096101 for more information

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10 Feb 14 UTC

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Abandoned positions

Is the incentive to not abandon a game effective? How about the incentive to take over an abandoned position? Discuss it in this thread.

Also, feel free to use this thread to name, shame, troll and nag those horrible people that abandon positions. I'll start. Kerzhakov is a dick (gameID=134319).

oscarjd74 (100 )
10 Feb 14 UTC

I just browsed through some of the currently abandoned positions. Most of them are in pretty bad shape. Apparently players that upon getting their ass kicked didn't have the decency and sportsmanship to finish the game.

In fact it happened to me in my very first gunboat game here (gameID=134319). Italy left at the first sign of setback while still having 4 units. This forced me (France) to divert most my units towards setting up a stalemate in the Med to block the juggernaut that was now rolling my way unopposed. Although I managed to take Rom and Tun, it was obvious that I would only be able to hold on to the latter. It basically ruined any chance I might have had to win the game and had it not been for me and England getting our act together just in time it might have lead to Russia taking an easy solo.

So, I was wondering. What, other than decency and sportsmanship, is the incentive to not abandon a position on this site? Is it supposed to be the points you have bet that will be lost if you abandon? Because for 1 or 2 center positions in decline, those points are basically lost already, and as such losing them is hardly an incentive. Am I missing some other penalty for abandoning a game? Also, does it happen frequently that people abandon their position, or was I just unlucky to meet one such jerk (yes that's you
Kerzhakov) in my first game here?

Also, IMO games with an abandonment would benefit from someone taking over rather than having them remain with a power in CD. We all know that a power in CD can seriously unbalance a game. However, if you want to help out by taking over a position you still have to bet the current worth of the position while many of them are in obvious or even inevitable decline, i.e. you're almost surely going to lose those points. I'm not sure how it affects your GR rating either.

So I was wondering, are abandoned positions frequently taken over on this site? It didn't happen in my game. Or do they generally just remain in CD? If no one takes them over should we consider changing the incentive for doing so. You could for instance let people take them over for free but still get the points if they manage to retain any? That way taking over positions can only gain you points but never lose you points and more people might be inclined to take over.

goldfinger0303 (3157 )
10 Feb 14 UTC

Other than good sportsmanship and reputation there are no reasons to not resign from the game....for now. Reliability ratings are in the works by kestas, and those will penalize you for every game that you resign....to the point at which you can only be in one game at a time until you work to bring your RR back up. I don't have a timetable for implementation of that feature though.

So for now, people are encouraged to pick up CD'd positions in the open games tab. It saves games and it goes unsaid that games are always better with actual people playing the countries. Points don't matter so much to people as does GR. Occasionally, when things get bad, some sort of mod-sponsored challenge will pop up - such as ye's challenge to see who could take over the most open positions (I believe bo won?) and jmo's gifting of points to people who took over positions. Those usually keep open positions very low for several weeks. Unfortunately, there's not much more you can do. People will resign either for RL reasons or because they are poor sports. You just have to do the best you can given the circumstances. Advertising positions in the forum is usually a good way to get it taken up quickly.

Craig (100 )
10 Feb 14 UTC

Vdip offer 1/2 cost to take over a game and a boost to your reliability rating they have running. Not perfect but it gets white knights join in as well as bargin hunters in PPSC....

JECE (1253 )
10 Feb 14 UTC

The points system is pretty useful for encouraging take-overs. If the GhostRating becomes official then that encouragement will evaporate, though.

bo_sox48 (5202 )
10 Feb 14 UTC

How is points encouraging at all? A good takeover costs a lot of points. Why would someone without tons of points bet 50

for a game that, if they win, they get 55, and if they lose, they get nothing?

NigeeBaby (100 )
10 Feb 14 UTC
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You should not have to pay anything to take over a game ...... the money has already been paid by the person at the beginning, it's a con. All you are doing is taking over their position, probably a losing one to give some integrity to the game. It mystifies why you should be charged for the privilege, you should be paid to do it

oscarjd74 (100 )
10 Feb 14 UTC

Right on NB.

Theodosius (232 )
10 Feb 14 UTC

Or, when you create a new game, you could select if you wanted anyone who has abandoned a position in the last month or three months, or has had more than some number of abandonments. The quality and quality of games would go down sharply for quitters - probably mostly restricted to playing with others of the same feather.

Yeah, I know that probably a bit more programming work than "trivial" and it would unduly affect those affected by RL.

tvrocks (388 )
10 Feb 14 UTC

they have something called reliability rating at vdiplomacy which keeps track of missed turns, and then gives you a rating based off of how well you do y0our turns without missing. you have the option to limit possibilites of joining to only people who have a good reliability rating.

Yellowjacket (835 )
11 Feb 14 UTC

Not worth it. Increased risk for the same rewards. Takeovers should not contribute to gr it points at all. In fact they should just pay you free points to do it regardless of outcome.

Yellowjacket (835 )
11 Feb 14 UTC

On the other hand, the incentive to not abandon is fine as is. As you play better games, it stops happening. If you cd, you won't get invited to better games

JECE (1253 )
11 Feb 14 UTC

Well, it's true that for WTA games there is virtually never a points incentive to taking over positions in games. But for PPSC games there are tons of positions – often minor – in tons of games for which it makes perfect sense to take over. If you're a good diplomat and choose the games you enter wisely (sometimes it is when you enter that is key) there will be a minor points incentive at the end of that game. See my profile for examples.

josunice (3702 )
11 Feb 14 UTC

Usually a first missed move is a surprise, but people can game the second miss. It would be a real help to not have the turn process if it will result in a CD, and add a phase length to fill the seat before the next turn is actually missed. Also, I agree on a discount to take over... either half price or the greater of zero and centers minus 2...

ssorenn (0 )
11 Feb 14 UTC

What about if anyone is willing to pick up the game that a player has resigned they will get the points from the person that resigned in the first place. I resign a 20 pt game,I lose my points.if the position I left is still worth 10 pts anyone who picks it up to finish gets the 10 pts from me, so as the person resigning I lose 30 pts

goldfinger0303 (3157 )
11 Feb 14 UTC

The problem is that violates two principles of the site.

1) You won't lose any more than you bet.
2) Winners take the share of the pot that they win. i.e. if you have a ten point buy-in and it's a WTA game, the winner should get 70

. In your case, he would not.

oscarjd74 (100 )
11 Feb 14 UTC

"1) You won't lose any more than you bet."

This principle could easily be changed into "You won't lose any more than you bet unless you abandon your game".

"2) Winners take the share of the pot that they win. i.e. if you have a ten point buy-in and it's a WTA game, the winner should get 70

. In your case, he would not."

Exactly how would that be affected by having people that abandon a game pay a penalty and people that take one receive a reward? Are you seriously arguing that such penalty and bonus transactions are part of the betting? They are not IMO.

ssorenn (0 )
11 Feb 14 UTC

here here...also the extra point could be shared among the people that finished the game win or lose...the the principle is not technically violated

ssorenn (0 )
11 Feb 14 UTC

also if they are a player that has 100 or less points,the amount of points that are forfeited plus penalty should not be able to be used until the game they left expires

dirge (768 )
12 Feb 14 UTC
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First 7 or 8 games I played were take overs. Didn't know any better. Got a lot of defeats that way but didn't really lose points because I was in the 100 point protection zone.

Some kind of reward for taking over a position would be helpful, but the other thing that deters me from take over positions is adding to my already extensive defeat stat. Seems like someone taking over should only suffer a 0.5 defeat.

JECE (1253 )
13 Feb 14 UTC

The official statistics are useless because of takeovers; that is true. GhostRatings also are useless for players who like to take challenging positions over. Only the points system makes the effort somewhat rewarding. At least with the "Game stats", though, you can keep track of what your real record is:

Game stats [official]:
◦Defeated: 6 ( 18% )
◦Won: 2 ( 6% )
◦Drawn: 11 ( 32% )
◦Survived: 15 ( 44% )
◦Total (finished): 34
◦Playing: 1

Game stats [real]:
◦ Defeated: 1 ( 6.7% )
◦ Won: 2 ( 13.3% )
◦ Drawn: 7 ( 46.7% )
◦ Survived: 5 ( 33.3% )
◦ Total (finished): 15
◦ Playing: 1
◦ Total: 16

Theodosius (232 )
13 Feb 14 UTC

Maybe add a "Takeover" stat. Wouldn't affect much except those that want it as bragging rights.
I like Dirge's idea of reducing the penalty of losing when taking over a position.

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12 Feb 14 UTC

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Fleet Rome

I want to start a discussion here on the implications of Italy starting off the game with a fleet in Rome instead of an army. How does it change Italy's strategic options? How does it change the plans of its neighbors?

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12 Feb 14 UTC

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Bouncing?

See below.

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Yellowjacket (835

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10 Feb 14 UTC

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I need advice from the forum.

As above, below.

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12 Feb 14 UTC

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...and you all call *me* a drama queen.

Just read rokacofuck's rants about a fucking game *then* pass judgment on me.

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12 Feb 14 UTC

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Leaving the site now!

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10 Feb 14 UTC

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The Great Debate #4 - "Is the Bible inconsistent?"

"Are inconsistencies in the Protestant canon sufficient to undermine any claim to supernatural inspiration?" Ckroberts representing the Christian view, and dubmdell representing the atheist view. Full debate inside!

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11 Feb 14 UTC

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F2F vs. Online

I'm doing a research paper for sociology about Diplomacy. Does anyone have statistics regarding elimination in F2F games as opposed to games on here? Ideally, I'd like to see how early the first elimination occurs in a face to face game versus online.

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The next top 7 active gunboaters' game invitation

The game should start arround 10th of February and the roster is
still uncomplete;
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12 Feb 14 UTC

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1897/8/9

http://www.diplom.org/Zine/S2000M/McCullough/1898.html

Any thoughts?

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