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oscarjd74 (100 D)
10 Feb 14 UTC
Bible Verses - Not At All Daily
Rejoice.
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abgemacht (1076 D(G))
11 Feb 14 UTC
Chess Tournament Thread 2
Old one got locked.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1hoR6nzgzKiUGk-pdBLRJmHNWUsZO0NYZhd8MdpEUSfI/edit?pli=1
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ccga4 (1831 D(B))
09 Feb 14 UTC
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1 year anniversary game
See inside!
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ssorenn (0 DX)
13 Feb 14 UTC
What is rich?
Rich I believe is a relative term. What do people here consider rich?
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krellin (80 DX)
13 Feb 14 UTC
So, Abou those Bitcoins....
Seems your freedom-loving currency ain't all it's cracked up to be.

http://gizmodo.com/somebody-hacked-into-silk-road-2-and-stole-all-the-bitc-1522447611
I'll try not to giggle too loudly as the prices *plummet*...
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ncng (100 D)
14 Feb 14 UTC
Never played Diplomacy, have board game-help
Had the game for 10 years, never found anyone to play, watched several YouTube videos, like to play and online game.

Thanks-ncng
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ReedW (131 D)
14 Feb 14 UTC
Modern Diplomacy 2
This map looks like it doesn't get enough love. I cordially invite you all to join!

http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=135721
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abgemacht (1076 D(G))
10 Feb 14 UTC
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Unions
Can anyone explain to me why I'm strongarmed into paying a bunch of highway robbers ~5% of my teaching salary? As far as I can tell, the only thing my union has ever done is prevent me from negotiating my own salary. Thanks for that.
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frenchie29 (185 D)
13 Feb 14 UTC
Country Randomizer
I have been playing here for some time, and I'm a little upset with the way the randomizer works. I have started in 25 games and have not once been chosen to play as Turkey. I have been Turkey once when I joined midgame. I would like to play a game from start to finish as Turkey, but it has yet to happen. Can somebody explain how the algorithms work exactly and why I have yet to be Turkey yet have been Russia now 6 times.
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Randomizer (722 D)
13 Feb 14 UTC
Justin Bieber - Deport or Tax?
Should Justin Bieber be deported back to Canada for public admission of illegal drug use and other crimes or allowed to stay in the US so we can tax him to help with the deficit?
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2ndWhiteLine (2611 D(B))
13 Feb 14 UTC
Candy and Politics
Where do YOU fall?

http://foodspin.deadspin.com/chart-does-your-choice-of-candy-reveal-your-politics-1522123029
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dirge (768 D(B))
11 Feb 14 UTC
Putin's Dilemma
One of many liberal paradox's, I call this one Putin33's Dilemma:

USA must intervene in all humanitarian war disasters (CAR, Syria, S. Sudan, etc.) -- but if USA intervenes in war, the USA is committing war crimes in the act of war itself (Drones kill!).
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Al Swearengen (0 DX)
12 Feb 14 UTC
Italy Opening Strategy 2.0
Things are getting interesting.
Al Swearengen (0 DX)
12 Feb 14 UTC
At last! After playing nearly one hundred and fifty online games of Classic-Map Diplomacy, I've finally arrived at an opening strategy for Italy that I can finally feel happy about. Please understand that this proposed Italian opening is largely untested, but should at the very least, present an interesting alternative to either the Tyrolian attack or the Lepanto.

Some of the better players that I've gamed against tend to insist that the Lepanto is strategically interesting only as a surprise move. It is implemented so frequently on some gaming sites that it largely fails in that regard, and has become something of a trope. Those of you as tired of the Lepanto as I am will feel greatful for any reasonable alternative. Well, let's be honest - you'll feel greatful for any strategy likely to provide *any* boost to either the projected outcome or the gaming enjoyment associated with the Italian question.

For starters, this sort of method will only be viable if some of the remaining players start with an deep understanding of opening strategy. For example, we will ideally want to be playing against a German opponent that would prefer to have an Italian unit in Tyrolia than for Tyrolia to be vacant in the event that France is able to take Ruhr. An intelligent German player will of course realize that Italy stands more to gain by providing defensive support to a German unit in Munich than by providing offensive support to a French unit attempting to take Munich under normal circumstances. It will likewise require an Austrian player who realizes that an Italian unit in Tyrolia is agreeable by the time that Austria captures it's sixth center. While neither power may be precisely happy to have an Italian presence in the alps, only an inexperienced German or Austrian player will want to prevent an Italian player from seeking a mutually an agressively neutral opening on the Italian part.

But Tyrolia should not be the Venetian unit's initial target.

Rather an Italian player, seeking an approximate parity in terms of power with it's neighbors, should first communicate both to Russia, Austria and Turkey that you consider the Greek provice to be firmly Italian territory. They will be somewhat puzzled when you articulate that you won't after all be capturing Greece in Fall 1901. Instead Greece should be Italy's goal for Spring 1902. Both Austria and Turkey should understand that while either are welcome to occupy Greece in 1901 for any purpose, they should be prepared to vacate the territory immediately once you require it. Most importantly they should understand that you will be prepared to cut a deal with the remaining two Balkan powers should any of them begin to make a move on Greece once you move in. I suggest taking Greece with an army rather than a navy. In this way, you will be within striking range of both Greek and Austrian supply centers and can comfortably support the ambitions of either Russia, Turkey or Austria. Unless either player is unreasonable, this should be good enough for them. All three of the Balkan powers will have enough concerns without wishing to provoke Italian wrath. Ideally you should be able to take and hold Greece while remaining essentially neutral.

Now that is all well and good for 1902, but what of 1901? Your first communication should go to France, requesting a bounce in Piedmont. France will usually decline, in which case you can walk into Piedmont uncontested. From here you have gone a long way to nullify the advantage to France of an Italian invasion while still doing comparatively little to raise his ire.

At the same time, you invite Germany into Tyrolia while promising him that you'll take care of his little brother in Austria, in exchange for Greece. This is the essential strength of this opening as I propose it. Since one can pretty much safely assume that Austria and Germany will be coordinating openings, it then becomes a point of folly to instigate a conflict with either. Both powers will have bigger things to worry about than picking a fight with Italy. Germany thinks that you are a nice guy for inviting him into Tyrolia, while he will probably decline. In return, he will likely pressure everyone else into letting you have Greece.

To Austria, you request a bounce between Venice and Trieste. While an inexperienced player will inexplicably perceive this is a threat, a veteran player will be glad for you to have asked for the one thing which he most wants, and was nervous to bring up. Your simultaneous move (or attempted move) to Piedmont (along with your invitation for Germany to take Tyrolia) will likewise assuage many of his concerns about your intentions.

Your actual orders will be slightly different. Venice moves to Piedmont, and Rome to Venice. While you have a choice of which sea to move your fleet to, the Ionian is likely to be the better of your two choices. A move to the Tyrrhenian Sea unnecessarily provokes France while a move to the Ionian serves both the objective of enforcing good behavior on the parts of the Austrians and the Turks, while leaving open to you the option of pursuing the Lepanto.

Keep in mind that ideally one or both of your infantry movements will fail. Ideally you can convoy an army to Tunis unless France attacks you outright. Your first build should be a fleet. If necessary, this fleet can help to enforce your claim on Greece. If not, then you can safeguard the Tyhrrenhian. Remember to keep an army stationed in Venice. Your second build should be an army, which should be deployed to Tyrolia (see above) until you are ready to attack France.

France is your ideal target. Since Austria will never be well positioned for an attack on you, you can usually be happy as long as he is holding is own on the east. France presents both a greater threat as well as a greater attack opportunity.
2ndWhiteLine (2611 D(B))
12 Feb 14 UTC
"All three of the Balkan powers will have enough concerns without wishing to provoke Italian wrath."

I read this and laughed. Italian wrath? You seem to be under the impression that Italy has some kind of diplomatic abilities in 1901. There's no way that both Austria and Turkey simply let you have Greece, especially if you want to keep Austria as an ally, which would be helpful if you also intend on attacking France.
It's always amusing to read opening strategy articles that were clearly derived from one or two successful games. The really specific tactics and diplomacy give it away.

For what it's worth, a lot of opening strategy articles suffer from this.
orathaic (1009 D(B))
12 Feb 14 UTC
I'm not happy with this opening.

For only one reason, taking greece with an army(?) and then invading france (or even occupying tyrolia) leaves one unit defending greece with little or no support.

If you have a fleet supporting greece to hold then you've dedicated two units to hold one supply, and if not you risk being dislodged and have wasted time getting there.

Your fleet should really be heading over to france and not hanging around the east med. That army could have been more use elsewhere - instead of antagonizing turkey/austria (or both of them)

Like an opening where italy takes munich, it wastes a unit taking a single supply center, which requires a second unit to even hold... It's not cost effective. Annoy a player AND dedicate two units to one center - that is a bad ratio of units to centers at the very least.
ssorenn (0 DX)
12 Feb 14 UTC
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@orath
Don't you think taking Munich and getting the extra center up front and building two fleets is a better choice for the Italian attack on France. Italy knows it cannot defend Munich and will dis pans the army,but now it's got 3 fleets
ssorenn (0 DX)
12 Feb 14 UTC
Disband
Alderian (2425 D(S))
13 Feb 14 UTC
I am rather bored with the lepanto, so the general idea is interesting. But...

"Your actual orders will be slightly different. Venice moves to Piedmont, and Rome to Venice. While you have a choice of which sea to move your fleet to, the Ionian is likely to be the better of your two choices."

"Keep in mind that ideally one or both of your infantry movements will fail. Ideally you can convoy an army to Tunis unless France attacks you outright."

With those S 1901 moves how are you going to convoy an army to Tunis in the fall? You would need Rome to still be in Rome and your fleet to be in TyrSea instead of Ionian.

And your fleet has to stay in Ionian in the fall if you want it to take Greece in the spring of 1902.

Seems like for this to really work as you intend, you would need to DMZ Ven/Tri so you can move Rome to Naples or Apulia to then convoy to Tunis in F01 and then convoy to Greece in S02.
Mujus (1495 D(B))
13 Feb 14 UTC
Umm… Rome doesn't get to Venice because Trieste is bouncing there.
Alderian (2425 D(S))
13 Feb 14 UTC
Yeah, but how do you convoy from Rome to Tunis if your fleet is in Ionian? You don't. The only way to convoy an army to Tunis in F01 and then take Greece in S02 is if an army is moved to Venice or Apulia in S01.
Al Swearengen (0 DX)
13 Feb 14 UTC
Gentlemen,

Thank you for the constructive feedback. I can see that there was an error in my reasoning and agree that a Lepanto can be a result of my opening moves only in a non-conventional sense, but then I think most of us would agree that a nonconventional Lepanto is more attractive than a conventional one. Moreover, I mention the delayed Lepanto as a *feature* rather than a flaw because the major flaw of the Lepanto opening is that it requires an unattractive level of commitment from Italy before the French border is secure, and before the Hapsburg is committed to conflict in the east.

I can absolutely agree with anyone that this opening is unsuitable for low-level gameplay in the same way that I understand that a feint would be a wasted chess move against either a chimpanzee or a toddler. There is no point in attempting to psyche out an opponent who can't follow what you're doing.

Yet I remember a year (or more) ago when I joined the site, Austria seemed to do worse than it does now. When Austria opens a bit stronger, it actually *helps* both Turkey and Italy in my opinion. If Austria gets steamrolled, both Turkey and Italy won't be looking forward to a bright future in most cases.

It is likewise natural to conjecture that if Italian play improves, the Russian, Austrian *and* Turkish hands will be stronger. France would be the primary loser to the opening that I propose, but this is not really an Italian players problem.

A group of players here seems to posit that the Italian position is terrible by virtue of the crappy geometry and force distribution of the Italian resources, but this is not so. Turkey has an almost equally crappy distribution, but tends to perform better.

The reason that Italian play is so miserable is because people tend to *accept* that they will be minor players in the ensuing game. To say that someone can victimize you only with your permission is a more or less accurate statement from the standpoint that nobody has to accept victimization passively, and victimhood is a state of mind.

To wit, if you sit down in the Italian's chair at the start of the game with the intention of performing as a minor player, then a minor player you shall be.

Having a unit, if only briefly, in Greece, Piedmont, Venice and Tyrolia all near the beginning of the game will go far to increase your bargaining power with all of France, Germany, Russia and Turkey for the simple reason that you'll have some ability, if only minor, to punish them for either screwing your or attempting to neglect your importance at the negotiation table.

Negotiation power: this is what Italy needs.
Mujus (1495 D(B))
13 Feb 14 UTC
Al, your statement that "The reason that Italian play is so miserable is because people tend to *accept* that they will be minor players in the ensuing game. To say that someone can victimize you only with your permission is a more or less accurate statement from the standpoint that nobody has to accept victimization passively, and victimhood is a state of mind" is an interesting hypothesis, but my own experience contradicts this.
orathaic (1009 D(B))
13 Feb 14 UTC
@Ssoreen, yes, i do, as an attack on france, that move actually has benefits.

Whereas greece makes sense if you plan on attacking astria or turkey, but not france.
ssorenn (0 DX)
13 Feb 14 UTC
thx for the clarification
dirge (768 D(B))
13 Feb 14 UTC
Interesting. I just played a game where italy insisted on taking Greece 1902 only after taking tunis.

I was playing Austria and was pretty turned off by this insistence. Italy was the first player eliminated in that game.


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SYnapse (0 DX)
13 Feb 14 UTC
Boring
I've been gone 6 months and you're still talking about the same crap.
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Draugnar (0 DX)
12 Feb 14 UTC
Draug did NOT get addicted.
gameID=132439

France was an *idiot*. I brought two fleets down to help him hold the line and he instead decided to take my SCs. Then, when the line was held again, he attacks my fleet and pops it leaving one fewer defenders on the line that was our eventual downfall. Roka, you are a fool!
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Arvid (192 D)
13 Feb 14 UTC
[Bug] Can't move a fleet from Petra to Nabatea
We're playing a game on the Ancient Mediterranean map, and for some reason I can't order my fleet in Petra to move to, or support a move to, Nabatea. Only Red Sea and Sinai.

http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=133544
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murraysheroes (526 D(B))
13 Feb 14 UTC
Replacement player needed for a relatively good Russian position.
gameID=132903

It's a private game with a good group of players that has played together fairly frequently. Russia has had some family matters that he needs to attend to and must leave the game.
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mendax (321 D)
06 Feb 14 UTC
Anyone else watching the 6 nations?
With one weekend down, how do you feel the teams played, and who's your favourite to win?
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JECE (1253 D)
13 Feb 14 UTC
Give a mark of approval for this post
I just now noticed that tooltip shows up when you hover over a "+1". Has that tooltip existed since the +1 system was first implemented?
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jmo1121109 (3812 D)
13 Feb 14 UTC
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Site Gunboat Tournament
I strongly recommend everyone check out the 2014 Gunboat Tournament. Everyone can afford the by in, and the format gives everyone a shot at competing. The prize pot is site sponsored, and we (the mod team) want to make sure everyone knows they have a chance to participate. threadID=1096101 for more information
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oscarjd74 (100 D)
10 Feb 14 UTC
Abandoned positions
Is the incentive to not abandon a game effective? How about the incentive to take over an abandoned position? Discuss it in this thread.

Also, feel free to use this thread to name, shame, troll and nag those horrible people that abandon positions. I'll start. Kerzhakov is a dick (gameID=134319).
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goldfinger0303 (3157 DMod)
12 Feb 14 UTC
Fleet Rome
I want to start a discussion here on the implications of Italy starting off the game with a fleet in Rome instead of an army. How does it change Italy's strategic options? How does it change the plans of its neighbors?
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rs2excelsior (600 D)
12 Feb 14 UTC
Bouncing?
See below.
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Yellowjacket (835 D(B))
10 Feb 14 UTC
I need advice from the forum.
As above, below.

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Draugnar (0 DX)
12 Feb 14 UTC
...and you all call *me* a drama queen.
Just read rokacofuck's rants about a fucking game *then* pass judgment on me.
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rokakoma (19138 D)
12 Feb 14 UTC
Leaving the site now!
...
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Thucydides (864 D(B))
10 Feb 14 UTC
The Great Debate #4 - "Is the Bible inconsistent?"
"Are inconsistencies in the Protestant canon sufficient to undermine any claim to supernatural inspiration?" Ckroberts representing the Christian view, and dubmdell representing the atheist view. Full debate inside!
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Onar (131 D)
11 Feb 14 UTC
F2F vs. Online
I'm doing a research paper for sociology about Diplomacy. Does anyone have statistics regarding elimination in F2F games as opposed to games on here? Ideally, I'd like to see how early the first elimination occurs in a face to face game versus online.
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SplitDiplomat (101466 D)
24 Jan 14 UTC
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The next top 7 active gunboaters' game invitation
The game should start arround 10th of February and the roster is
still uncomplete;
...
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orathaic (1009 D(B))
12 Feb 14 UTC
1897/8/9
http://www.diplom.org/Zine/S2000M/McCullough/1898.html

Any thoughts?
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