i'd bet a lot of money that Warden and one of vash/guak are mafia. ##VOTE Warden

Really, y2k? You'd bet money? Why phrase it like that? If you were innocent, the at least one of guak/vash wouldn't even be a question.

Whatever. No one alive seems at all interested in actually solving this thing beyond what we can figure out through process of elimination. ##VOTE Guak ##END

Of course one of guak/Vash is scum. Even Guak and Vash think so. Way to produce an original thought.

lol @y2k that was scummy as hell, @everyne: come on guys let's kill that guy

Does anyone else see a major buddying up by wd and guak? I don't want to vote y2k just because of that. They seem like 2 mafia buddies that, because they are in the home stretch, have gotten really bold.

@tv: that is a stupid idea. Look I will vote for whoever you decide. If you decide me then I will vote for me and we can end it so we can lose this game once and for all and just move on with our lives.

@WD: your end vote means two things to me, either you are scum with y2k/Vashta, or you are an idiot townie who is risking the other two mafia voting for me and ending so we lose the game immediately. Since Vashta and y2k have not returned since your end vote, I am going to ask you politely to remove your end vote unless you want to give the mafia this kind of power.

guak, in the same post you ask for me to remove the end vote you say you'll vote for yourself and end the game so we can all move on. So, which attitude is it? tv is voting for you. If you were really going to just sheep him like you claim in the above post, you should also vote yourself and vote end.

This game is dead. I have better things to do than comb over the thread trying to find evidence that will not only convince me, but also convince the last two innocents (tv, and whoever else isn't scum between you three) that I'm right, and I seem to be the only one who actually cares that no one else seems interested in doing anything like that either.

Yesterday and today were both chances for people to actually generate cases, draw connections or better yet, interact with each other more. The best we got out of that was the argument between you and Vash which was almost identical to the one between you and town-ghug.

I'm convinced y2k is scum. tv is not. Vash is not. You are. y2k isn't going to vote himself. tv convinced himself days ago that I'm scum, and nothing I say is convincing him otherwise.

So, in conclusion, I've reached the point in the game where I've given up on convincing people. You or Vash, if innocent, would be willing to at least create an argument and engage with me. y2k is clearly not, and it's scummy as hell. tv is also not, which is also scummy as hell, but we know he's innocent, so bugger that.

But fine, I'm here, and pissed off/energized enough to force myself into at least an hour of case-building, so I'll do that, post what I have, sleep, and then see how little good it did in the morning. ##UNEND

Well, we have 40 hours or so left. I am hoping we will actually do some scumhunting. Don't you agree?

I obviously want us to find scum and thus why I don't think end votes are any help. What I am telling tv is to see if he has an open mind because I don't want to bother with building cases if he has already given up.

Guak, that's the point I'm at. The scum obviously won't have an open mind, except about the two innocents. If tv doesn't have an open mind there's no point in continuing this game unless we're lucky enough to have tv basically *guessing* right.

Agreed

Another Really Early Official Day 7 Vote Count Update:

Guak(3): tvrocks, VashtaNeurotic, WardenDresden
y2kjbk(1): Guak
WardenDresden(1): y2kjbk

You have 41.5 hours remaining

I just downloaded and installed an extension to highlight multiple search terms on a page instead of having to re-enter each one to look at each of the three players, making this task a bit less laborious.

http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/4-browser-extensions-for-searching-multiple-words-on-a-webpage-chrome-firefox/

Has a couple options. Makes isolating multiple individual's posts at once doable.

Okay, feeling like nothing else I'm staring at tonight will be productive. But next post is a basic summary of EVERYTHING from y2k, Vash, and guak up to the end of page 44. I should be able to bust out the rest first thing when I get up.

At this point I honestly can't tell which of Vashta or guak seems scummier, though I have more questions in my mind about Vashta than I do about guak, such as the contradiction between his statement on page 35 I highlighted and his actions last night. Also, something about his comment regarding the RB claim made me wonder something.

##CALL GM Have all the PMs to players affected by RB's been identical, or have there been any differences between semantics in them?

The final votes:
Day 1: y2k - ND, Vash - y2k, guak - ND, Warden - Squigs
Day 2: y2k - DO, Vash - DO, guak - meme, Warden - DL
Day 3: y2k - SG, Vash - SG, guak - Vash, Warden - Squigs
Day 4: y2k - Squigs, Vash - Chaqa, guak - ghug, Warden - Squigs
Day 5: y2k - DO, Vash - DO, guak - ghug, Warden - DO
Day 6: y2k - YoYo, Vash - YoYo, guak - y2k, Warden - YoYo

y2k:
Early game: Votes for Yoyo after Yoyo tells him to get involved. Unvotes. y2k calls himself a shitty townie. Says his posts do look scummy if he takes a step back from them. (Honestly, other than this one, I don't think they have.) After Squigs calls y2k out on acting to please people. Doubles down on thanking Squigs for "riding him hard.
P17 Votes ND to save himself. Claims he has no reads, but also says the push on him is probably to save ND. (Whose role y2k knows since it's in the scum PM. y2k ninja or hooker?) Tells ND to lynch him.
P28 (First post since D1.) Has NULL reads on most of the board. Town reads on Maniac and mrh. Votes Yoyo.
P30 Switches vote onto DL citing Yoyo "at least attempting to justify his actions" Says it would be difficult for mafia to save one of their own without outwing themselves now.
P33 Votes DO. Says he is tentatively convinced by DL's defense.
P43 Promises reads.
P44 Says he passed out last night and posts [kind of messy] reads: "null on warden, guak, and captain" Has Chaqa as scummy and votes for him.


Guak:
Early: Nothing of value I noticed, if any posts. Not going back to look.
P8 says's he's reading.
P9 reads uclabb scum, Chaqa town, and Maniac hard to read. Jokes about killing Maniac early since "we are long overdue a win"
P14 Posts that he is convinced by uclabb's logic and votes ND.
P15 challenges yoyo on voting Minty. Tells ND his noob excuse won't fly and asks a bunch of people questions.
P16 Agrees with ghug that DO, y2k, and Squigs look scummy individually, but not necessarily as a team.
P23 Belatedly cheers the scum kill. Points out that it's odd ND didn't fakeclaim.
P25 Votes meme citing scumtells in connection with ghug's comment regarding unlikely scum teams and buddying up with people.
P27 Seconds the extension ask.
P37 Is back.
P38 Posts some dots to connect. Jokes about tv's mere presence making Christos scummier. Posts more dots. Believes D1 is more useful than D2 so far.
P39 Posts his conclusions and votes for meme while it's still night. "Conclusion: y2k is inno or ND is insane. I am going with y2k is inno for now." "Scummiest --> WD, Mrh, Vash, Chaqa, Flum <-- Least Scummy." Asks ghug about Squigs. guak explains an argument of how y2k's scum would implicate Flum. Calls my post "^scum"
P40 I ask for clarification from guak that he never delivers. Votes meme, asks why vash voted Flum. Argues with ghug about voting for Yoyo.
P41 Concludes that ND proved himself incapable of basic mafia strategy. Claims he would have been unable to set meme up. Asks meme to contribute.
P45 Oddly comments: "It is quite likely that at least one of them is real scum and it would be nice to keep them under the radar." Discusses the distinction between coaching scum and town players.
P44 Tells Chaqa he's sticking with meme over either SG or Squigs.



Vashta:
Early: Promises a flavor post that never comes. Says the overreactions so far in the game are amusing to watch.
P9 Is "getting a bad vibe from Flum"
P12 Is surprised to have votes on him. Says voting for him due to differing opinions is bullshit, but voting for him being quiet understandable.
P15 Suggests policy lynching a lurker. Only strong reads are town Chaqa and mrf.
P16 Calls the random vote a bad idea.
P19 Asks for a vote count.
P21 Says: "Okay, so ND was a mafia. Let's look at his reads. Maybe y2k was one too." First suggestion that y2k is mafia.
P22 Reposts ND's most recent read. Cites strangeness of the D1 final vote. Complains about town PRs sucking. Promises a reads list.
P25 Pleads finals. Says he should probably contribute more. Vash suspects Maniac could be WW. Doesn't really offer anything else other than thinking DO would be a good lynch.
P26 Calls ND, ghug, Flum and ??? a mafia team. Concludes Squigs is town. Votes ghug. Promises reads later. Argues that ghug is wasting time.
P27 asks for a votecount.
P29 Responds to ghug asking him about his silence with "League Games, ODC, Finals, Hearthstone and general laziness." Still has a bad vibe on Flum. Doesn't get the Yassem case.
P31 Says the case against Squigs is shitty. Calls the day a mislynch. Insists ghug and/or Flum are scum based on the D1 votes. Votes DO.
P32 Apoligizes for using the wrong pronoun for DO.
P33 Cites the failure of counterwagons as a reason DL is town.
P34 Wants to vote Flum, asks multiple times for a vote count.
P34 Asks vig to shoot Flum.
IMPORTANT: P35 Vash says: "When someone offers no defense and the current lynch target is offering up something, I lynch the person who gives nothing."
P37 Again wonders about vig's move.
P39 Asks guak how y2k being scum makes Flum look like scum. Answers a set of questions from mrh. Lists: "(Most scummy) Flum, WD, Guak, Chaqa, Mrh, Vash (Most town) "
P40 Claims the RB, saying he had a fulfilling evening and votes Flum.

If y2k isn't scum, he has literally been about as useless as it is possible to be without getting modkilled.

WD Vote History

D1: Squiggs
D2: DeathLlama
1 3: Squiggs
D4: Squiggs
D5: Demon Overlord
D6: YoYoYoZo

Summary of Actions:
-With his first post he suggests we lynch Maniac because he is alwayts suspicious and that people who have not yet posted, not suspicious. Votes Maniac. Immediately tries to start talking about the WW as well (almost as if it was a big threat to him). (pg 6)
-Talks more about WW motivations and why they must be found, also suggests we stop switching votes around 1-2 hours before the deadline, which was actually a pretty dumb idea. Small interaction with ND about putting two #s before his votes. (pg 7)
-Mostly just advocates for killing Maniac with very weak reasoning. States he likes the early cutoff idea.
-Says Squiggs is buddying up to DeathLlama (which is really ironic in hindsight) because Squiggs liked that he was being townread (pg 11)
-Restates to ND (whose only mention of him was 1 line in his reads) his system, and actually goes back on one of his initial ideas (which his said he still liked after thinking it over), and implies DO never read most of the thread (pg 14)
-decides to votes Squiggs to make his “relevant” thing is Squiggs has no votes on him and also says “I expect the end choices will be Yassem, Squigs, or y2k” despite the fact that at this point y2k has 7 votes, ND (who goes surprisingly unmentioned) has 5 votes and yaseem has only 2. It almost as if he expects ND to get baile out (pg 17)
-Says we felt something was off about ND but he didn’t catch on enough. Suggests that ND may have been bussed by his teamates (we know this was at least done by Chaqa). Also says that he didn’t pay attention to the vote count. (pg 23)
-Lampshades his scumminess (says he’s a prime lynch target) and claims no RB (pg 24)
-says that the most suspect votes on y2k were “Squigs, Vash, ghug, and Flum” (note Flum was a power role, Squiggs was a really good townie, ghug was too, and I ended up being confused for the vig). Also lampshades inattentiveness to thread. (pg 28)
-calls out Maniac for coded messages in his posts (note: Maniac was the Night 2 NK) and votes for DL, because he promised a vote. Then says ghug seems scummy for possibly suggesting yaseem as an alternative vote, and then proceeds to give reasons why yaseem is scummy. Also brings up the idea of lynching sammitch. then goes off on flum for not thinking Squiggs is scummy and his EOD1 votes (pg 29)
-Is confused about the lack of pressure on him and says that something is off on the DL vote (pg 30)
-Then proceeds to dig into DL and posts this (which I just find funny), “It's an example. I haven't been exactly writing up post-by-post cases in my last couple games. It's far too much work and makes the game a lot less fun if that's what you're going to do. It leads to a lot more burnout. Let me take another look at your defense post.” (pg 31)
-Dig more into DL, now about his view on Squiggs (pg 32)
- This quote which may be the result of some sort of outside knowledge, “If DO is becoming an option, I should mention that I think DO is more likely werewolf than mafia.” (pg 33)
-suggests a Squiggs wagon as well (pg 34)
-Is now unsure about Squiggs faking the rb claim (pg 35)
-suggests the vig shoot N2 and denies being WW (pg 37)
-Long defensive post where he says why he didn’t vote Squiggs (rb claim) or ghug (rousing speech) D2, mainly because they wouldn’t get lynched. Then goes on a long defendive post (pg 39)
-begins day 3 by voting sammitch (pg 40)
-goes after SG, and goes after capt. meme for lurking and for only counting “intentional” votes and decides to start his own tracker (pg 42)
-Interestign quote here “I think his suggestion that non-mafia Squigs would likely have been RB'd or killed last night makes sense to me. Unlike meme, that actually makes me think the Vashta RB is more likely real at present. Let's see if Vash continues to survive too and no one gets hacked by Gandalf.” A;sp encourages SG to not give up(pg 43)
-Is angered by how quiet the game is and votes Squiggs (p 46)
-calls a ghug, meme, Vash scum team (pg 47)
-decides to put a vote on meme (pg 48)
-co-ops guak on the whole “I think all three are town” supposed scumslip and switches to Squiggs again (pg 50)
-talks about how the wagon against me came up like magic (pg 51)
-continues going after Squiggs and meme and is again defensive about the WW role (pg 52)
-Says he’s on capt. meme’s case for not switching back to Squiggs if it looke dlike I wasn’t going to hang, except that I was actually closer to hanging than Squiggs (pg 53)
-Says he thinks meme and Squiggs are protecting each other after a post about how mafia try to link themselves to VTs (pg 54)
-initially votes Chaqa (pg 55)
-defends killing Chaqa over someone else (pg 56)
- then decides, eh let’s not killl Chaqa and votes for Squiggs, then meme. (Note: Only two people had actually switched off Chaqa at this point, so it isn’t clear he isn’t going to be lynched) (pg 58)
-Goes hard on Squiggs for supposed connections to Chaqa, because now it’s a good idea to not lynch Chaqa. Also talks a lot to DO about the implications for the WW. (pg 59)
-concludes ghug, Squiggs or capt should be lynched based on interactions with Chaqa (pg 60)
-sticks to his guns about ghug and mem being scum (pg 66)
-argues with guak over whether or not me not being vig means I’m scum (pg 67)
-more talking with guak about whether or not I am scum along with talking about how scummy Squiggs was
-votes for DO (who he thinks is WW, mind you) (pg 72)
-talks about he was right about DO being WW (pg 76)
-more conversation with guak about what the WW should do (pg 77)
-Warden is confused by my ridiculous claiming (pg 78)
- Quote by DO, “genuinely would not be shocked if Warden was mafia even since he called me out on the lesser of two evils comment - it's almost as if he's been searching for WW instead of mafia this entire time.” (pg 79)
-more talk about the WW (understandable though anyway) (Pg 80)
-claims rb because apparently he was trying to earn one by discussing the WW? (Pg 83)
-lots of posts talking about how he can’t be the hooker (pg 83)
-talk about the odds of each lynch (pg 84)
-questions y2k about D1 behavior and myself about my guak case (pg 85)
-votes y2k (pg 86)
-switches to YoYo (pg 86)
- when I switch back to y2k because he hasn’t voted yet, he stays on YoYo (pg 87)
- asks tv to try to lead (pg 88)
-talks about how y2k is easy scum, votes y2k and talks about how I have supposed outside knowledge for saying “one of guak and WD is definitely mafia” (pg 90)
-”Of course one of guak/Vash is scum” (I fail to see how this is different from what I said). Posts “case” on other players

It’s extremely late where I am so I am going to leave it at the summary and hopefully analyze tomorrow, hopefully y2k won’t have nearly as much stuff to go over.

Wow, interesting how Vashta and y2k have voted together pretty much all game. I will post tomorrow my own overview

Vash, the reason your statement of "one of WD+guak is scum" is scummy is because it implies you agree that y2k is scum, but aren't voting for him.

Please explain the contradiction between you explanation on page 35 and your actions yesterday. y2k didn't offer any defense, Yoyo did. By your own rule of thumb you should have voted y2k.

y2k, on the small chance that I'm wrong and you're not scum, can you at least participate?

@WD: Y2k offered up some defense yesterday (granted it was pretty shitty) and honestly I felt a YoYo lynch was more likely to get a mafia or at least help us out in catching mafia. Also, literally YoYo's entire defense was "WD and Vash are mafia". He literally offered up nothing. Also, you forget two things: 1. If I was mafia (and if you were town) I could have just voted for you yesterday and y2k would have had to vote for you to save his skin and yaseem would be forced to either vote for you or not at all to avoid a tie.
2. Most regular rules (like Power Roles not claiming) don't apply at MYLO. There are plenty of exceptions in such an extreme situation and if what I did contradicted that rule (which I don't think I did) I would still be justified in doing it.

@guak: 4 out of 6 is not pretty much all game, and one of those differences we me voting FOR y2k.

On the first day, when y2k was voting ND.Looks like mafia bussing.

Anyway.

Analysis of Warden's Actions:
For a guy who supposedly wasn't around in the early game, Warden had a huge influence on a lot of the lynches. He was a person who very early on thought Squiggs was scummy (in fact he started the wagon on Squiggs D4 when Chaqa (who he supported lynching) coild easily have been lynched. He also shared a suspicion of ghug with guak. He was also the person who suggested that sammitch might be scum, and managed to get that to happen. In short there hasn't been a lynch of a townie that guak hasn't had a pretty big part in, like he's been manipulating them to be at the center of discussion. He also had a few contradictory actions like saying that mafia tend to buddy up with townie, and then says that Squiggs is mafia because Chaqa was buddying up to him, or when he was nervous about DL having no counter wagon and then immediately began pressuring DL. Later on he agrees with guak on me having a supposed "scum slip", and then later on says that the wagon against me came up like "magic" a wagon he almost joined if he wasn't so centered on getting Squiggs out.

Secondly Warden has been obsessed with the WW. He literally begins the game with a post about the WW. He calls DO out for being the WW rather than mafia (which would require outside knowledge to understand), and spends a whole lot of time searching for the WW. When the WW is found talks about how to deal with the WW, but in the end, it seems like he has focused on the WW way more than a townie should.

Third, despite a few interactions with guak, and currently voting for him, Warden has mostly ignored the possibility of him being scum and overall not built a case on him. This I do not like. He has been tunneling on a few big townies all game, barely relented and caused numerous townie lynches and displayed outside knowledge when not acknowleging ND might get lynched and with DO being the WW. For this I am not afraid to vote guak this phase.

@y2k: There were two votes on guak and two votes on you when you joined, why did you vote for WD and not guak?

##GM Note: All roleblock PM's are along the lines of 'passionate, anonymous sex', but there was no set template.

Vash, in that whole above post, you have instances of "guak" that look like they're supposed to be me.

"Hasn't been a lynch of a townie that guak hasn't had a pretty big part in,"
And your conclusion that you're not afraid to vote for guak makes no sense unless you meant me.

Are you getting confused because in your mind it doesn't matter which one dies? Since ANY non-scum lynch loses town the game.

About the WW thing with DO, I noticed her comment about being the "lesser of two evils" in an exchange with Squigs. So because I noticed that it colored my opinion of her scumminess. The only logical reading of that comment is a veiled WW claim, or to ignore it as insignificant, and I didn't see useful connections between her and other scum. It's funny that I get dinged for being perceptive about that while at the same time you cite how wrong I was about so many town lynches.

@WD: yeah those mean you. Sorry for not proofreading them.

"It's funny that I get dinged for being perceptive about that while at the same time you cite how wrong I was about so many town lynches."

It's almost as if those wrong town lynches were on purpose?

Your whole case makes it look like I'm some master manipulator able to shift everyone else's opinions. If you turn out to be innocent, I'm flattered. You're wrong, but that's quite the opinion of me. If you're scum, then this doesn't really reflect an accurate opinion of me anyways.

Regardless, finishing a movie and then the summary of you three.