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Tolstoy (1962 D)
02 Dec 10 UTC
Rank the diplo territories in order of importance using Instant Runoff Voting (IRV)
Vote for the territories you feel are important by listing them in order of importance.
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Agent K (0 DX)
18 Nov 10 UTC
Grand Festive High Wizard Tournament
Where is Abgemacht? What is the status of ye old tournament? I know my games are over
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stratagos (3269 D(S))
06 Dec 10 UTC
Crapity
Xmas approachs.
My wife wants to know what I want
I don't actually *want* anything.
Suggestions?
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numberzero (127 D)
04 Dec 10 UTC
Pushing on to win after a major CD is poor sportsmanship
Or after a first turn CD; especially if more than one. At least thats how I view it.
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Crazy Anglican (1067 D)
05 Dec 10 UTC
A December Holiday Survey
Please respond if you so choose.
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goldfinger0303 (3157 DMod)
06 Dec 10 UTC
Austria needed.
We deliberately left you some room to grow, so its not like you're just jumping in to be killed
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Hirsute (161 D)
05 Dec 10 UTC
The best books of all time
I've been working on a list of the supposed "best books of all time" to act as a sort of reading list for myself. I finished it tonight and I figured I'd post it here to see what people think.
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Corelli's Mandolin. I have yet to meet anyone who thinks this is a bad book... That I haven't proceeded to kill with a ice pick. In all seriousness it is the best book I've ever read. Don't respond about the movie though, it was a shit-festival.
fiedler (1293 D)
05 Dec 10 UTC
havent read the book but did see the shit-festival. if you overlook the terrible acting, penelope cruzs face, and the easy nazi-bashing, you can see the book would be pretty alright.
fiedler (1293 D)
05 Dec 10 UTC
@crazyangl: didnt Lewis kinda renounce his religion after his wife died? maybe I watch too many movies! (shadowlands) I read LionWitchWardrobe when I was a nipper and thought it very good.
Putin33 (111 D)
05 Dec 10 UTC
1984 is a horribly written book, dubious political message aside. Not to mention the fact that it is largely copied from another book - Yevgeny Zamyatin's "We". Animal Farm is even more blatantly copied from Nikolai Kostomarov's Skotskoi Bunt (Livestock Riot).
Orwell was a poor writer, and even worse person. But I digress.

Some of the best books of all time, hard to narrow this down

1-Homer's Illiad & Odyssey
2-Xenophon's Anabasis
3-Julius Caesar's Commentaries on the Gallic War
4 - Beowulf
5 - Nibelunglied & the Volsunga Saga
6 - James MacPherson's Ossian
7 - Sun Tzu's Art of War
8 - Herodotus's Histories
9 - Thucydides's History of Peloponnesian War
10 - Virgil's Aeneid

More modern stuff
1- Walter Scott's Ivanhoe
2- Carl von Clausewitz's On War
3 - Edward Gibbon's Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire
4 - Alfred Mahan's The Influence of Sea Power Upon History
5 - Mikhail Lermentov's A Hero of Our Time
6 - Rudyard Kipling's Jungle Books & Just So Stories
7 - Joseph Conrad's Heart of Darkness
8 - Johann Wolfgang von Goethe's Faust
9 - Charles Darwin's The Descent of Man & The Origin of Species
10 - Brothers Grimm Fairytales
damian (675 D)
05 Dec 10 UTC
How to kill a mockingbird, easily one of the the worst books I've ever read. I couldn't stand it. I'm not saying the writing technique was poor. But the plot was bleh. It was like wrapping yourself in a moist blanket.
fiedler (1293 D)
05 Dec 10 UTC
It's not "How to kill..." it's "To kill a..." - are you sure you actually read it? probly makes more sense if you don't add words to it yerself! ;^)
fiedler (1293 D)
05 Dec 10 UTC
Putin, have you read all of that list? I think I read On War, hard going but good stuff.
damian (675 D)
05 Dec 10 UTC
Whatever. Just did a quick google your right it is To Kill a Mocking Bird. yes I'm sure the first image of a book cover was the exact book I had to read, and it was still unbearable even if it had a different title.
Putin33 (111 D)
05 Dec 10 UTC
Only read critiques of Ossian, haven't read it because I can't find a copy. Didn't finish Gibbon's Decline & Fall. Mostly use it as a reference. Haven't finished Anabasis or Aeneid. Need to re-read some of this since it's been a while.
fiedler (1293 D)
05 Dec 10 UTC
so can you recommend a book thats up to snuff?
damian (675 D)
05 Dec 10 UTC
Books I've enjoyed. Well I was a fan of, Hamlet. King Lear wasn't bad either. Brave New World, well I wouldn't call it a great book was certainly far superior to To Kill a Mocking Bird. I loved Fahrenheit 451. Most of the books I've read are more modern however, and I wouldn't describe them as good literature, but entertaining or enjoyable stories.
Putin33 (111 D)
05 Dec 10 UTC
For something short, entertaining and lighthearted, A Hero of Our Time is pretty great. So is anything by Kipling. I don't know what kind of book you're looking for.
Putin33 (111 D)
05 Dec 10 UTC
Nevermind, you were asking Damian.
fiedler (1293 D)
05 Dec 10 UTC
Any opinions are appreciated, always looking for a good read. Agree Kipling rules.

Has anyone read The Magus ? I heard it was pretty great.

Mikhail Lermontov: In New Zealand their was a soviet cruise ship by that name that was 'accidentally' piloted onto rocks in 1986. Looked like CIA work to me. But thats for another topic! :)
Eklade (838 D)
05 Dec 10 UTC
1. Thomas Mann - Magic Mountain.
2. Carl Sagan - Demon Haunted World.
3. Dostoevsky - Crime and Punishment, The Idiot was good too.
4. Hesse - Damien.
5. Gogol - Dead Souls.
6. Campbell - Hero With a Thousand Faces.
7. Saga of the Volsungs, Icelandic Sagas ---> LotR
8. T.E. Lawrence - Seven Pillars of Wisdom. (still reading it.)
9. And for flavor, Ursala K. Leguin - Left Hand of Darkness.
10. 100 other books I'm forgetting, and let us not forget our fantasy books!

And no these aren't the best books of all time, simply because I don't believe there is such a thing as that. Each and every book "speaks" to someone differently at whatever period he or she may be in their life. So, Thomas Mann's The Magic Mountain probably is reminiscent bull shit to an 80 year old man, but gospel to a 22 - 33 year old.
Eklade (838 D)
05 Dec 10 UTC
I've read a lot of the books on people's lists, but if I was to mention the books that mean the most to me, only a handful would appreciate them, considering they are books dealing with counterpoint, melody, harmony, rhythm, orchestration, and music theory.
numberzero (127 D)
05 Dec 10 UTC
Might I suggest "A Song of Fire and Ice" by J.R.R. Martin?
fiedler (1293 D)
05 Dec 10 UTC
@Eklade: very true in regard to one's subjective experience.

I thought The Idiot went on far too long - I just wanted it to end!
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
05 Dec 10 UTC
My Top 20, because I really disagree with some of the lists so far:

1. Hamlet, William Shakespeare (I know I'll get blasted for this, taking Shakespeare at the top again, but as I consider him THE greatest author and Hamlet to be his greatest work...and I think there's quite a bit of evidence, even if you disagree with me, that we all CAN agree on that may be used to justify that claim...so maybe he's not the best ever and maybe Hamlet's will miss out on being the king--pun intended--but I think he at least has a claim to the throne, nonetheless, and one I'll support.)

2. The Divine Comedy, Dante Alighieri (T.S. Eliot infamously said Shakespeare, Dante, adn then everyone else...and I take that line, to an extent--I ALMOST put the #3 author here, and only didn't because of the structure, ie, The Divine Comedy is one work with three parts, whereas the #3 author DID have two related but still seperate works, and so I need to split the glory amongst them...not a lot to say to defend this claim, again, Dante and Shakespeare are often held to be the best poets and/or writers, and as this is his masterpiece, and, indeed, arguably THE masterpiece amongst all the rest, this work stands out, and within it, of course, "The Inferno" burns all the brighter. I'll say this much--if I were to consider ANY other work for the #1 spot, it'd likely be this work...I think Shakespeare's play hits the notes perhaps not better but just in a more lasting way, ie, MANY lines from MULTIPLE Hamlet characters and scenes can be quoted and we can apply those meanings and dig and see so much in them; Dante's tying his work down to a religion and just the strucuture of the work makes it a bit less so--but no less a masterpiece.)

3. The Iliad, Homer (If The Odyssey were but a part of this work, Homer would overtake Dante, but it's not, and so, alas, The Iliad and The Odyssey split the vote and land Homer at #3--but no shame there. Indeed, if I disagree with Eliot's appraisal of Shakespeare and Dante as being kings at all it's only because I think he should have included Homer there as well to make it a sort of Holy Trinity of Author-dom...Homer, I believe, DOES belong with those other two titans. I have The Iliad here as I think the scope of the work makes it the superior of his two masterpiece epics...and that's really all I ahve to say here--one of if not the great foundational text from which so much of our Western Literature comes from or builds off of, and Homer deserves the spot.)

4. Les Miserables, Victor Hugo (Not a lot to say here, either...it's Les Mis, isn't that enough of a description and reason?)

5. Don Quixote, Miguel Cervantes (Again, no great shock here...it's Don Quixote, probably THE greatest text in Spanish, and its often cited as one of the first great novels as well as helping to define the genre--and that's WITHOUT starting to deal with all the imagery and themes and character moods and even humor of the book...)

6. The Odyssey, Homer (Here he is again, and here we see how the two works splits his score--he gets two Top 10 nods, the only one on here with that honor, but as a result he misses a higher score he would surely have attained if the books were one work...the foundation for nearly all travel/sea/adventure-based texts--eat your heart our, Ancient Mariner...I kid, I kid...sort of, lol--and probably the greatest "sequel" text ever, its well worth a nod here.)

7. Paradise Lost, John Milton (Fair is fair, and so while I myself DON'T care for the text--it's beautiful, and yet, while I LOVE a text drenched in symbolism and extra-textual meaning, this is just too "wet" for even me, to stretch the metaphor--I must acknowledge it IS beautiful, IS an important text, and DOES deserve a spot here...I'll confess I might have placed it a bit higher if I actually cared for the text more--and if, again, Milton hadn't split his works and Paradise Regained was part of this--but subjectivity must play some part in this, and #7 all-time is nothing to cast me into hell for...) ;)

8. Moby Dick, Herman Melville (A no-brainer of a pick, it simply MUST be in the Top 10...why is it so low? Two reasons--VERY stiff competition ahead from authors with a bit more in their canon cannons (Shakespeare, Dante, Hugo and Homer all have a wee bit more than just their one great masterpiece, whereas Melville, with all due respect, doesn't have anything close quality-wise to this, which is also, I suppose, a sign of just how high up this texts hits) and the fact that I'm, admittedly, less familiar with it than the texts above...though next semester that's likely to change. I already don't care for Faulkner, Conrad, and Hawthorne for their LONG, EXCESSIVELY LONG, DRONING sentences--elegant, YES, overdone, in my opinion, YES...I'd say "Just like what I meant with the LONG, elegant, and overdone shots in 2001," but that'd be irresponsible, now, wouldn't it?--so we'll see with Melville, won't we? His work DID ionspire three Star Trek films I love, in Wrath of Khan, First Contact, and Star Trek 2009, so we'll see...:p Extra points given to the brilliance Melville displays in creating one of the most memorable fictional characters ever with Ahab, EVERYONE has heard of him, and doubly so for Moby Dick, a force that seems threatening and natural and so deep--all without a word of dialouge.

9. 1984, George Orwell (Alright, a MODERN work! FINALLY, you say! ;) Yes, it's a masterpiece...the only question is--why THIS low? I can't quite put it past Homer or Hugo, I'd rank Dante's Comedy and Shakespeare's Dane safely ahead, and then we get to the question of influence--Cervantes, Milton, and Melville have all shown their works have had and will ahve long staying power in terms of influence and just being read; I think 1984 will retain that, but I'd say it's a tad too early to call it for him just yet. Not to worry, however, Orwell WILL be seen again on this list...)

10. The Canterbury Tales, Geoffrey Chaucer (I will say this much for the Tales--of the works on my list this one is easily the most likely to climb in the rankings in the near futur...analyzing these for class hs been a BLAST, and I've become convinced that my Engllish teachers in high school, as great as they WERE--and I was lucky enough to have had good ones with actually minds about them--committed a rare sin by not teaching this work, and leaving me to discover it this late. If you've NOT read it...DO SO. I recommend it as much as I'd recommend seeing Shakespeare for a play or reading Plato or Nietzsche for philosophy...brilliant, funny, meaningful, and one of the foundational texts of the English language, so yes, I think Chaucer deserves a spot in the Top 10, and quite possibly will receive a higher one soon. Ah...the Miller WAS such a hilarious fool, wasn't he?!) :D

11. Adventures of Huckleberry Finn, Mark Twain (Until about a week ago this would have been #10, but Chaucer's taken the spot away from one of my favorite novels...of all the novels that claim to be "The Great American Novel"--this, Moby Dick, and The Great Gatsby are the three titans that come to mind--this is the one I feel comes closest to capturing the spirit of what America's good points are, what it's bad points are, actually TREATING those good points and bad points, and in general just giving an account of what it means to be American more so than any of those other two books; Moby Dick I've ranked higher as it still is a great novel and has many otehr aspects to play off of, and Gatsby, I'll admit right ehre, I feel is one of the most overrated texts taught today--not terrible, but not nearly the gem it's often made out to be. If you've never read it--READ. IT. NOW. Huck is forever waiting by the River...why, it IS the old Mississippi River! So it IS appopriate to say "Old Man River, That Old Man River, He must know somethin', But don't say nothin', He just keeps Rollin', He keeps on rolling along..."

12. Macbeth, William Shakespeare (The biggest question for me wasn't if another Shakesperae play would make my Top 20, but WHICH after Hamlet at #1, and where. The Henriad is FAR too split up to make the cut--I've already marked The Illiad and Odyssey lower for being split in half, in FOURTHS...no--and I don't think a comedy makes it in, so that leaves the tragedies, and after we sift through a bit, we come to the Big Four: Hamlet, Othello, Macbeth, and King Lear. The Dane's already made the cut, so who's next? Othello and Lear are both great, but I give the nod to Macbeth for permeating literature to follow more so than those two works, as otherwise it's really just a matter of which I like more--which, again, for me is personally Macbeth, so there we are. After "To be or not to be," "Tomorrow and tomorrow and tomorrow" is one of if not the greatest monologues in all of theatre, and "It is a tale told by an idiot, Full of sound and fury, Signifying Nothing" is just incredible, and yes, that IS where Faulkner got the title "The Sound and the Fury" from. The other reason I've picked this is I always thought Macbeth, as a character and as a work, was a perfect "foil" of sorts for the character and play of Hamlet--think about it: what if the two heroes SWAPPED PLAYS? Macbeth was over-decisive and would surely have slain Cladius quickly, and so there wouldn't have been all of the tragedy of "Hamlet," and Hamlet was a thinker and a feeler and very introspective, he wouldn't have acted on that Prophecy quite as rashly...oddly enough, Shakesepeare's greatest tragic heroes greatest tragedy might be that they never met, or swapped plays...)

13. Oedipus Rex, Sophocles (WHY is this so low?! It's one of the greatest tragedies ever, and one of the first...so why so low? I feel guilty for saying this...but re-reading the play recently, I honestly think that some of the dialogue HAS aged some; all diaogue and works age, and we can tell that certain words or even ideas might not apply as heavily to us anymore, but just the manner in which the play unfolds...its brilliance is still there, its just lost some of the sparkle it had when some of those ideas--particularly on fate--were more relevant and/or a couple of millenia ago. It's had an enormous imact, though, and still deserves a spot.)

14. Waiting For Godot, Samuel Beckett (I would unashamedly make a case for THIS being the Greatest Work of the 20th Century...so why is it lower than Orwell? Mainly exposure, I think Orwell's been read a bit more, let's face it--not everyone wants to go to see an absurdist play, it's odd and confusing and sometimes just frustrating...and that's if you LIKE it, those things work out to the play's advantage and you want to solve the puzzles and debate, but it is an acquired taste. It's a great existentialist work, but, again, many ideas in it WERE expressed before hand in Kierkegaard, Nietzsche, Plato, and Sartre, for starters, so I can't go overboard,,,but it does deserve a spot here.)

15. Crime And Punishment, Fyodor Dyostoyevsky (I have yet to read too much of this work, so it IS a bit low on this list, but it does deserve its reputation...he expresses some great ideas in existentialism BEFORE Nietzsche, and not too long after Kierkegaard, so he does have weight--a lot of deserving authors in front of him, but I'm sure he'll climb in my standings over time, and perhaps bring in The Brothers Karamazov or another such work with him.)

16. War And Peace, Leo Tolstoy (Pretty much...see Dyostoyevsky, same general rationale here.)

17. A Tale Of Two Cities, Charles Dickens (To those who think I'm far too biased in my rankings on just my personal tastes, I'd like to point out that not only do I have my favorite novelist just making the cut here, but with a work I'm not nearly as fond of as his other works. Nevertheless, it deserves its spot.)

18. Animal Farm, George Orwell (Here's Orwell again...and what can I say. Some authors are just their own explanation...it's ORWELL. Enough said.)

19. The Hunchback of Notre Dame, Victor Hugo (Here's a work that's been bastardized over and over in popular media, to the point I'd bet the common man DOES think Quasimodo lives happily ever after with Esmerelda at the end, and the story really IS centered around the "it's not what's on the outside but the inside" slant that's sold countless movies "based on" this work. Nevertheless, the original remains a masterpiece, and a DARK one at that...and a LNG, DARK one at THAT. I will give one film adaptation commendation, and probably not one most folks would think I'd give, but I actually DO really give the animated Disney version two thumbs WAY up--it's NOT the original story, it IS bastardized all over the place, but on its own it's a masterful work of animation and, for a "children's/family" movie, pretty damn dark, with religious taboos, talk of damnation, attempted infanticide, murder, racism, invoking Biblical imagery and text, and, without spoiling it, one of the most dark and incredibly Gothic and satisfying death scenes at the climax of any Disney film, and I'd say the best villain. In the REAL work, of course, Frollo's not the villain, and, arguably, Esmerelda and Captain Phoebus are more morally suspect than he is, and Quasimodo isn't some heart-of-gold guy in a deformed body, but much more like a misunderstood monster, and that second word is played up far more than in most adaptations, he's deaf, can't speak that well or, perhaps, at all, and is possibly partially retarded...and Notre Dame ITSELF is of much more importance to the story. A DEEP work.)

20. Frankenstein, Mary Shelley (It doesn't seem right to leave this ALL a men's club, and so I close it out with a classic Gothic story that, like the one above, has been bastardized to hell but, like the one above, has enough meaning--and DEEP meaning and ideas, some of which you really wouldn;t expect to find in the book if you went in with the modern-day conception of Frankenstein's Monster--to carry you through. Add that to one of the most memorable characters in the last couple centuries, and I think Shelley's earned the right to keep this from being an all-men monopoly.)



So those are my picks--Shakespeare, Homer, Orwell, and Hugo each have two picks each amongst my Top 20, if you were keeping score, and Homer is the only one with multiple placings in the Top 10.

NITPICK TO DEATH! :p
fiedler (1293 D)
05 Dec 10 UTC
@obiwan: Which of those have you fully read? Have you have read all of Dantes Inferno?
doofman (201 D)
05 Dec 10 UTC
1. Down and Out In Paris and London - George Orwell
Orwell is my favourite author, having said that he is a much better journalistic writer than novelist and this is written in that style and is simply amazing, still pertinent today and a must read.
2. Jude The Obscure - Thomas Hardy
Hardy is very good at painting a picture in our mind, setting the scene of Oxford and the small villages perfect, he is also excellent at detailing the human condition, and love, jealousy, desire.. Again still reads very true today in terms of the emotions concerned.
3. On The Road - Jack Kerouac
Read this and the first thing you want to do is withdraw all the money you have and just go and see where the journey takes you.
4. Trainspotting - Irvine Welsh
Better than the movie, written in scottish dialect which is impressive in itself, a quite absurdist author however this is probably his most direct novel, very impressive, a great read.
5. A Day In The Life of Ivan Denisovich - Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
It simply describes the events of one day, without practically any background, but does it so amazingly and succinctly, read it and you will know what humans will go through and what small things represent a victory when one suffers so much.
6. Band of Brothers - Stephen Ambrose
Better than the tv series made, tells the story of an elite band of men, but humanises them so that we realise they simply are men. Also demonstrates the feelings of the soldiers towards the opposition in a war, and does so without being chest-beating.
7. Norwegian Wood - Haruki Murakami
Simply a beautiful novel, again he is a great describer of the human condition and he paints a wonderful picture in our mind, brilliant writer.
8. The Importance of Being Earnest - Oscar Wilde
Just hilarious, it is as hilarious now as it was a 100 years ago, which considering how everything else has moved on so dramatically is very impressive.
9. All Quiet On The Western Front - Erich Marie Remarque
Anyone who reads this and still has any nostalgic thoughts about war is clearly insane
10. Of Human Bondage - Somerset Maugham
Again, he describes the human condition so well. If you hadn't realised I am most impressed by authors who can convey emotions so well, for the Marquez is another amazing author.
fiedler (1293 D)
05 Dec 10 UTC
@doofman, I like your picks.....except... 'On the Road' I thought was unbelievably atrocious - sorry :)
Yes there's definitely a theme to your selection, you must be a very empathetic person!

so..books this thread has inspired me to (maybe) read:

Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man
The Sun Also Rises
The Rime of the Ancient Mariner
A Hero of Our Time
Waiting For Godot
The Magic Mountain

Keep em coming please.

I would also recommend 'games people play' by Eric Berne.
And holy shit no-one has mentioned Kafka! recommend: the castle, metamorphisis, the trial, and several other short stories.
Octavious (2701 D)
05 Dec 10 UTC
Ok then... time for my top five books/series of books, chosen for the impact they have had on my life and no other reason :).

1) The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy- Douglas Adams
(the book that in no small part steered me into taking physics at uni)
2) The Baroque Cycle- Neal Stephenson
(wow... I mean.... wow!)
3) The Discworld series- Terry Pratchett
(the books that kept me sane whilst at uni)
4) The Dune series- Frank Herbert
(the books that challenged my perspective)
5) The Famous Five- Enid Blyton
(the books that made me fall in love with reading in the first place)

Alas, in terms of dinner party snob value they don't add up to much, but I would be a very different person without them.

doofman (201 D)
05 Dec 10 UTC
ahh i forgot to mention The Outsider by Camus, another amazing book
fiedler (1293 D)
05 Dec 10 UTC
LOL if I was at that dinner party, I would nod and smile, then go talk to someone else! :)
nah seriously I think the Hitchhikers might still be going strong in another 100 years.
I'm going to get you a 'turltles all the way down' t-shirt for chrissy.
mapleleaf (0 DX)
05 Dec 10 UTC
obiwanker typed - " I already don't care for Faulkner, Conrad, and Hawthorne for their LONG, EXCESSIVELY LONG, DRONING sentences"
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It actually posted that statement.

Now THAT'S hilarious......
Avenor (287 D)
05 Dec 10 UTC
@Putin33 - Love your list (the frist one).Eventough I haven't read two or three of those.
Could you point me toward a good english translation of:
Nibelunglied & the Volsunga Saga (I guess the penguin ones?) and Caesar's Commentaries?
I also haven't read the Anabasis, eventough I've been meaning to for some time. Could you also tell me what translantion you read, if in english?
Avenor (287 D)
05 Dec 10 UTC
PS: I'm sure I'd also love your second list (the more modern books) but there is just so much in there I haven't read... I decided I'd read the classics while I'm young, so I've only read a few modern authors.
purpleriot (574 D)
05 Dec 10 UTC
I'm not going to argue against the list because I understand it's not just personal opinion, and spewing out my personal opinion in opposition to it would be a bit pretentious. However, a thing I notice was that the top 30 includes two trilogies - The Lord of the Rings and His Dark Materials, whereas in the rest of the top 100, I noticed particular books from the Harry Potter and Narnia series. So I find it a bit inconsistent.
akilies (861 D)
05 Dec 10 UTC
I dont have a list for I have read many of the above so i'll just add a couple more.

Thank goodness Obi brought up Dickens, though personally I liked Great Expectations more than "A tale of two cities". Course "The adventures of Oliver Twist" and Bleak House are good as well.

Dante's Inferno, not my favorite book, but incredible writing and then they ruined it by making a video game.

The Killer Angels- if I did have a list it would be top 3 I think.

One Fish two fish red fish blue fish- Pure Genius ;)

I quite liked the Chronicles of Narnia series, If you've read one you should read the rest, though they get a little weird, The Magicians Nephew probably the weirdest- these books are currently being ruined by the movies.

and really Lord of the Rings, Including The Hobbit. who could leave those books of their list(my opinion of course)




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Draugnar (0 DX)
05 Dec 10 UTC
World of Warcraft - Cataclysm drops Tuesday morning.
While I will continue playing games,my forum participation will be dwindling. Send a PM if you need me.
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deathpod (102 D)
06 Dec 10 UTC
Mod request. Is this the right place?
Sorry if this is the wrong place.
Game Id # 4098. Looking for an unpause hopefully. One of our players has been AWOL for 13 days and we would like to just have the game unpaused and let him slide into civil disorder so we can finish.
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Crazy Anglican (1067 D)
06 Dec 10 UTC
Greek gods and goddesses
Hi all I was wondering if you had any clip art of this nature. No nudity. To be used in a game I'm developing for a 6th grade class. Pleas post a link if you have any.
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patizcool (100 D)
06 Dec 10 UTC
wta gunboat
Come and join. We got 2, starting in 25 minutes, let's go people

http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=43500
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figlesquidge (2131 D)
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Wikileaks
With wikileaks apparently on the verge of another major release of classified information, it felt about time the webDip community discussed the issue:
Should wikileaks publish sensitive information they are given, and should it be censored?
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The Lord Duke (3898 D)
05 Dec 10 UTC
Passwords
How do you find out a password if you would like to join a game?
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05 Dec 10 UTC
Come play with me
gameID=43452 please join if you can retreat and build quickly to avoid dragging a game on unnecessarily
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04 Dec 10 UTC
fast game start soon check in!!!
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Tolstoy (1962 D)
01 Dec 10 UTC
Has America Become the Evil Empire?
Well, has it?
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orathaic (1009 D(B))
01 Dec 10 UTC
Should I have a problem with this?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_village

With regard the 'do you guys find this offensive thread' i came across this idea....
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Malleus (2719 D)
03 Dec 10 UTC
Sitter etiquette
I need to get a sitter, but I've never gotten one before. What's the etiquette on that? I was thinking of going through old games and finding people that I got along well with. Is that the best bet for finding someone?
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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
03 Dec 10 UTC
Happy Holidays! (And WHat I DON'T Like To See...)
Happy Channukah! (a day late...) ;) And Christmas to come...but controversy--DOES Santa Claus really exist? Oh, and then there's the matter of idiots who, instead of having a good, civil conversation (like we often have here) just decide to do the real-world equivalent of shout and troll... http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_thelookout/20101202/ts_yblog_thelookout/atheists-slick-ad-campaigns-sometimes-meet-with-resistance So let's talk here...what do you think?
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JetJaguar (820 D)
02 Dec 10 UTC
Russia 2018, Qatar 2022
Anyone else have their opinion of FIFA's leadership sink to never before imagined lows today?
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Dan Wang (1194 D)
03 Dec 10 UTC
What are public-messaging-only games like?
In your experience, do players in public-messaging-only games choose to ally and coordinate in full view of the other players, or is it more like a gunboat game but with the ability to negotiate draws amongst opposing factions, etc? Or somewhere in between?
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airborne (154 D)
04 Dec 10 UTC
Oh Civ how lowly you have fallen!
Civ V may be one of the biggest disappointment in my gaming career. No more religions! No more multible leaders! No more +/- numbers dip-o! No stable gameplay! No more crazy number of civs! On and on...and I thought Black Ops needs a couple patches, gees
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Indybroughton (3407 D(G))
03 Dec 10 UTC
GhostRatings - Take the Pledge...
...take the challenge.

I challenge every one of the top 100, as well as any player who moves up 20 spots or more, to pledge to contribute $5 via PayPal to this website. Sign your name to this thread to pledge! I'll start: INDYBROUGHTON
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pathannarris (599 D)
04 Dec 10 UTC
World Game needs players
Anyone interested in playing a semi slow world game? We need two more players in the next 15 minutes. It is called:

Conquer the World!
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orathaic (1009 D(B))
02 Dec 10 UTC
car free cities?
see sometimes i'm a little crazy...

This got me thinking : http://www.oecd.org/document/46/0,3343,en_21571361_44315115_46566894_1_1_1_1,00.html
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jonK99 (133 D)
04 Dec 10 UTC
Who is up for a 5 min. game?
Who is up for a 5 min. game?
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trip (696 D(B))
03 Dec 10 UTC
Is there a Mod in the house?
Help
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superchunk (4890 D)
02 Dec 10 UTC
Various script errors in game recently causing inability to set full moves.
Any idea what is causing this as its preventing the setting of convoys, at least for me?
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cannonfodder5 (100 D)
01 Dec 10 UTC
North Sea action
Which power has the longest staying power (pardon the repetition) in the North Sea corridor? Does France see itself in the mix?
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Thucydides (864 D(B))
02 Dec 10 UTC
Rank the diplo territories in order of importance.
You get one vote per post, and one post per page.
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