"Bo Sox hadone of the top 5 bigoted comments ever on this site when he labled everyone who voted for Romeny as "a bunch of people who would rather shoot you than give you directions" and he has yet to refute that statement."

I believe that was in reference to a town I was in in southern Indiana which has gained that reputation due to that exact thing happening. If what you said were true, my dad and my neighbors on each side are about to shoot me. I bet you wish they would. You twist my words to an unbelievable point and you come back to them because I beat your first argument in saying that this guy should be arrested. We aren't attacking you because we're beat; you're attacking us because you're beat and are just trying to beat us to the punch.

And, by the way, you're free to post the other top four bigot comments in this site's history. Make sure they aren't all in the last 10 pages of the forums. TC hasn't been here in that time period.

Putin, stop lying I said I would research them, and found the numbers a bit high, but did not say he was wrong (and even said that EXACTLY) Damn, do you read everything, or just pit bull one piece, and chew it up so bad, it does not look like what it started as?

I have never seen #s that high, that is all, but I also asked specifically if he was including South and Central America. I never disputed them, I said I would reseearch them,and even offered that "those numbers may indeed be right"

Change your name please, since the real Putin at least is far more intelligent than you are...lol

@ghug,

"semck, we're talking about an ideology killing people here, so I don't really think that it's unfair to count disease as part of such a death toll."

I think it's not only unfair, but absurd. I would say moronic if I didn't know better. That disease didn't follow in any discernible way from the political principles of anybody involved, but from the contact of two cultures, one of whom was unprepared, and from lack of scientific knowledge. Had the European settlers treated the native Americans with the utmost of respect and set up a mutual cultural learning and exchange program, the same thing would likely have happened.

@putin,

"You say this and in the next breath do exactly what I do except the subject is your heroic white European colonists."

Thank you for so excellently demonstrating my point. In fact I didn't call the white European colonists heroic or applaud what they did in any way; nor did I attack anybody for an unrelated political stance (which is what doing "exactly what you do" would entail). I merely disputed a number.

"I have yet to hear one single comment from Semck or Stressedlines condemning the legions of rightwingers who threaten political opponents and/or wish violence on their opponents (Obama in particular) on a daily basis in the United States."

This is false. I do condemn it whenever you bring it up. Here's an example, one of several:

http://www.webdiplomacy.net/forum.php?threadID=935225

And I'll do it again now: people who threaten Obama or other political opponents with death are horrifying and deserve condemnation and reviling.

What I just did, and always do, is what you never will.

"Show me your stats and sources, unbiased ones,that say IMperialism/capitalism killed more than Communism. "

Right, because we live under liberal capitalist ideological hegemony, finding sources that satisfy your standards will be easy.

World War I - 16 million
Transatlantic Slave Trade - around 10 million.
Great Famine of 1876-1878 (British India) - between 6 and 29 million
Irish Potato famine - 1 million
Korean war - between 1/2 million and 1 million Chinese & North Korean deaths
Bombing of Cambodia - between 600,000 & 1 million killed
Suharto coup of 1965 - 1 million killed
Firebombing of Tokyo & Atomic Bombings of Nagasaki & Hiroshima - 250,000 combined
Rios Montt's anti-peasant "civil war" - 200,000 (Montt was installed by the US govt in Guatemala)
Execution of Soviet POWs by Germany (which was a capitalist/imperialist state) - 3.5 million
France's war in Algeria - 150,000 killed
Leopold II's rule in the Congo - between 2 & 15 million
Portugal's war on Angola - 50,000 killed
France's war on Indochina - between 200,000 & 500,000 killed
Argentina's dirty war - 20,000+ killed

I could go on and on and on.

Semck, why must you lie? You didn't merely dispute a number. You disputed that there was any evidence of deliberate genocide in the case of the Native Americans. If I did this about a socialist government, you'd be having a shitfit, like you always do.

You weren't condemning violence against a political opponent. These people weren't even political opponents, they were people who wanted to stay out of the campaign. Glad there isn't a single case of violence against liberals & Obama that you can repudiate, even though you have no problem associating with a party that does this on a routine basis.

"I postedsomething about THIS man calling for peopel to shoot 4.3 million Americans, and you defended him, thus proving my point about you. "

I did no such thing, liar. I said we could do an exchange. Every rightwinger who has incited violence in the past 4 years vs every liberal. Try reading.

"That disease didn't follow in any discernible way from the political principles of anybody involved,"

Except imperialist settlers taking over other people's land, right. The famine in the Soviet Union in the early 1930s didn't follow from any political principle, but yet you place that at the feet of communism. Rich.

Glad we've established I was right about imperialism and capitalism, and you can't count famines under communism (which would have most likely occurred anyway) and not diseases from imperialism (which wouldn't have occurred anyway), typical hypocritical right winger, can't get out of this indoctrinated must hate communism and defend capitalism (of some form) mindset

@putin,

"Semck, why must you lie? You disputed that there was any evidence of deliberate genocide in the case of the Native Americans. If I did this about a socialist government, you'd be having a shitfit, like you always do."

Can you even read, putin? I said,

"Tragic as [death from disease] was, it is obviously absurd to call it any kind of genocide or murder." Then later in the same post:
"As for actual numbers killed, though, whether by displacement or direct violence or otherwise, it was certainly far, far short of 70 million"

Where here do I dispute that SOME were killed? In a later post, I wrote,

"While the killing surely continued the whole time, there just are not the numbers to support 70 million dead of actual conflict or social upheaval (other than disease).

As I say, these are very hard numbers to pin down with much certainty. The best estimates I've seen are in the 5 million range. "

In other words, not only do I not deny that there was deliberate killing, I explicitly discuss it.

Why must YOU lie, putin? And why about something so easy to refute as what I just said higher up on the page?