Topic Medical Marijuana:
"Yes cannabis is a tired subject and for some the medical aspect may be. If not, come be bored with me and state an idea supported by facts. Opinions are not welcome here. Non-credible sources are not welcome here.
Pro or against I don't care. Please just support any claims."
"@ - Putin33 explain yourself properly or gtfo my thread you troll."
Everything Putin Said:
"Marijuana has no medical value. Synthetic THC can be produced without exposing people to the hazardous consequences of smoking marijuana due to the higher THC content & carcinogens. Marijuana usage is strongly linked to psychosis and leads to dependency (15% of people entering rehab report marijuana as the drug they primarily abuse).
As Krellin said, medical marijuana was simply an excuse used to push for legalization."
--No proof to any of these claims. I provided many sources showing otherwise to your claim yet no response to my legitimate studies.
"Who are you, Newt Gingrich? "Just because they went to rehab for marijuana, doesn't marijuana caused them to go to rehab. It makes sense if you don't think about it!". "
--Still not talking about the topic.
"ust because you assert something, it doesn't mean it is true. Provide evidence that everyone in rehab for marijuana was sent there by a court.
And define "proven". You guys can always sit here and claim something is not proven with 100% certainty. I'm sure there are people who still maintain that tobacco smoking doesn't cause lung cancer. The fact is there are strong links, demonstrated over and over again, between marijuana usage and psychosis (See: http://www.webmd.com/mental-health/news/20110301/marijuana-use-linked-to-risk-of-psychotic-symptoms; Hall & Degenhardt, 2009, Adverse health effects of non-medical cannabis use. Lancet 2009; 374: 1383-1391)."
--Yay a source, but when I commented on this aspect you ignored my points like you so enjoy doing.
"Provide evidence much?"
--You lack that in most of what you say.
"I just did. Can you read?
Any more excuses as to why you can't manage to back up something you claim is so self-evident?"
--Most of what you say applies to you as well. Seems boring to me.
"Right, as I expected, any amount of uncertainty and you'll cling to it. "
--Sick of this opinions gtfo
"So the fact that people who smoke pot reported more persistent psychotic symptoms is not evidence, apparently. Let's be honest, there's nothing a study could tell you that you'd ever accept as evidence that marijuana has negative effects."
--The study is not remotely close to comprehensive. Not to mention I commented on the premise of the article you still haven't acknowledged. Is it because you'd never accept evidence that marijuana has positive effects? (More reflecting of your points to emphasize that your view on the other side correlates to your own.)
"Cigarettes are being phased out. The irony is we're making it harder to smoke tobacco but relaxing the restrictions on marijuana, which is worse. Nobody hallucinates while smoking tobacco. Tobacco usage is not associated with violent crime, like marijuana is (anyone who disagrees with this last point can feel free to ask the Dutch about their crime rate since decriminalization). "
--No sources for any of your claims. GTFO
"I don't understand why, in an era where health care costs are skyrocketing, we would want to legalize a substance that is not only going to increase regular healthcare costs, but lead to more people having mental illness."
--Keep the opinions to a minimum
"I reject the idea that we can't enforce laws against it. We're not trying hard enough. Countries like Sweden have a zero tolerance policy, and their drug use rate is among the lowest in Europe, if not *the* lowest. It's possible to effectively enforce drug laws. Many countries have done it. But America is addicted to drugs, and for whatever reason wants to make itself believe this is fine and that problem is not the people on drugs, but the laws against drugs."
--Mass of unsupported claims, claims from misrepresented data, and fluffed with opinion.
"The Netherlands isn't near Latin America either."
--True and I don't agree with him either but wasn't a very useful response.
"Smaller than whom? The Netherlands? In population only, and not by a lot.
In tax revenue, Sweden - 48% of GDP, which is 406 billion, Ned. 40% of 792 billion. So Netherlands has higher revenue. "
--Relevant info to the comment but please add a source.
"Meanwhile, Netherlands police say:
"Today, cannabis is involved in nearly all major cases involving murder, weapons and drugs." And this is a man who supports the policy of decriminalization.
http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/0,1518,585240,00.html
But the decriminalizers/legalizers think that ending criminalization will solve all of our problems."
--Yay a source but cannabis as a drug has nothing to do with murder and weapons, it's those people wanting to make money off it. You are misrepresenting what the interviewee's intent. "It is not our intention to close down the coffee shops. We are fighting organized crime, which in many instances has become involved in the production of cannabis." - (Your article) Plus the topic is Medical Marijuana gtfo
"Frankly, I don't know how anyone can be in favor of decriminalized or "medical" marijuana after the disastrous experience of California. It has done nothing but increase violent crime."
--Source or GTFO
"How is this number calculated? Miron is an arch-libertarian. Not exactly the most trusted economist in the world."
--I posted my source, which has the answer. Dispute the source with another not add yet another opinion regarding who the source is without even looking at the source. Discussions work best when both sides are willing to look into the other sides argument (My opinion)
"No it isn't. I provided longitudinal medical studies. I provided crime statistics. You just ignore whatever evidence doesn't legitimize your habit."
--I showed you everything you said. Where are these "longitudinal medical studies"? "I provided crime statistics" - source please " You just ignore whatever evidence doesn't legitimize your habit" --Opinion that applies to you. You ignored anything I stated that had legitimate sources contrary to your beliefs. I am not interested in beliefs I want you to prove me wrong.
"No. Do you even bother to read? My crime stats had to do with the fact that burglaries, shootings, and car thefts skyrocketed after the Dutch decriminalized pot."
--Source!!!!! Shit christ
"Right, your anecdotal evidence trumps medical studies and hard data. Brilliant. Nothing beats like non-falsifiable anecdotal pothead stories."
--I am the only one who provide sources with medical studies. "Brilliant. Nothing beats like non-falsifiable anecdotal pothead stories." -- That opinion is not worthwhile.
"This is rich, Sayjo. I always provide data, and then you people accuse me of being a google warrior and promptly ignore my data or dismiss it based on some unsubstantiated blanket statement. But then Michigan Man googles his argument and he's praised for a great argument. Make up your minds, hypocrites."
-- I just showed that you don't provide any source with most of what you say, it's as unsubstantiated as everything you're arguing against. You ignore my posts which provide sources.
"You're just a foul mouthed clown who claims to only want substantiated claims but then cheerleads for unsubstantiated bullshit point that the pro-gun/pro-pot people trot out. I've substantiated by claims with evidence. You're just going to continue grandstanding with your petulant insults."
--You're wrong, like this post shows. You do not substantiate with evidence most of it is shit you spew. "foul mouth clown" I'm trolling the troll. I told you to gtfo off my thread unless you provide evidence, you have not. "petulant insults" Yep, I haven't found a reason to give you anything more.
Now please GTFO my thread unless you are going to reply to evidence with evidence and stop ignoring any presented evidence because it goes against what you said.
Thread is pointless anyways, the intent was never attempted by anyone else.
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