I'm not sure a modern model of most societies would show an equivalence of nationality and citizenship entirely. By your standards I'd be white, white, American with nothing much else to consider. Nationality, especially in a country as diverse as the US, goes far beyond a statist registry like citizenship, but rather an identity of the individual. I have a sense of both American nationalism as well as Mexican nationalist sympathies. I favor the states here, but have a sort of romanticized fondness for the Mexican states.

It seems that there ate 2 definitions: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/nationality

In any case, it still should not be that difficult for wjessop to identify his ethnicity(ies).

Leon, socialists exist across the whole world, not just in Russia. Socialism is not a bad word. At its heart, socialism means community, emphasising an approach to organisation that provides common benefits all in the community.

I think it shows the value-redundancy of terms like ethnicity if you're going to judge me ethnicity on my moral views or political leanings.

Also, if "race=color", what color are you?

I haven't heard people refers to the human colour system in quite a while.

So are Mexicans tan or are Asians tan? Are Italians tan? Are sunburnt Irish people red or is that still for commies only?

Chinaman is not the preferred nomenclature. Asian-American, please.

I don't agree that the problem exists at a level where "men need to be reeducated." That's sexist, insulting, and ignorant. The vast majority of men (at least in the west) are not going to go out and rape someone.

I fully support equality, but I'm getting sick of the false arguments thrown around by both sides all the time. Men and women have never been more equal. If we could sort out a few remaining problem areas like child support and alimony, we'd be great.

Grockles and emmets are grockles and emmets, regardless of race, nationality and ethnicity.

Lololol.

By the way, for anyone who thinks it is worth responding to Krellin in a thread like this, I have some useful advice which will improve your life:

Don't.


Krellin has admitted previously that a lot of his forum posts are not his actual views, just trolling designed to provoke outrage and argument because he finds that fun.

Don't waste your time.

@chaqa: 'at least in the West'?
Please take a walk through China, Japan, Korea etc. I think you might be surprised to find that 'The vast majority of men are not going to go out and rape someone'.
I'm getting sick of the false arguments that 'the West' is somehow better.

Or, I don't want to speak out of turn about places I've never been. I don't have enough information on China, India, the Middle East, or Africa, etc. to say whether or not their values and general way of life is the same or different.

I'm glad you have tried to extricate yourself from your racist comment.

TooCoolSunday -- and, by extension, we are tired of blithering idiots like YOU obviously implying that all men in the West are rapists, assmunch.

that being said, to pretend there is no crime in Asia is CHILDISH.

I did no such thing.
I objected to the 'at least' implying women anywhere other than in the West risk sexual abuse by the majority of their menfolk.

Your blathering. Stand by your Anti-West sentiment and be proud, man! Don't back down so quickly!

I completely agree with Chaqa and TooCoolSunday. Men in developed countries have already been taught as much as is possible that women are equal to men. In fact, it shouldn't even need to be taught-- the knowledge that rape is bad is intrinsic.

Oh, wjessop. I guess you're British. https://github.com/wjessop

And as for my color, I am yellow. Africans are frequently referred to as blacks. Caucasians are called whites. There is nothing derogatory about skin color.

@ Leon: "Men in developed countries have already been taught as much as is possible that women are equal to men."

So, what is your point? Are you saying that rape cannot be prevented? Are you saying that rape is entirely womens' fault? What is the conclusion you draw from that argument?

Yes. I am saying that there will always be rape because there will always be men who have some mental illness that gives them a desire to do so. They know that rape is wrong. They just don't care. Education isn't going to solve the problem. I was merely responding to wjessop's statement that men need to be taught that rape is wrong.

@ Leon: So what is your proposed solution to the problem of rape? Just wait for it to happen and then send the deranged men to prison? Can we do nothing else? Can we prevent no rapes?

I don't have a GitHub account. I don't even know what that is!

Individuals can reduce the risk that they themselves are raped. These include learning self defense, bringing pepper spray, travelling in groups when feasible, and not becoming too drunk and unaware of their surroundings. Society as a whole can do little.

But "Africans are frequently to as blacks" is hilarious.

Africa is just one homogenous black mass to you it seems. Thanks.

No, but the southern part of the continent is composed primarily of people with black skin. Obama is frequently called America's first black president. There is nothing wrong with labeling someone as being black.

I feel sorry for Leon's hypothetical daughters who may be raped and then chastised for not being pre-emptively preventative.

"Well if you'd listened to me and not left the house; but oh no, you insist on thinking you can live in this world as free as men live in it."

"Society as a whole can do little."

Fuck you, Leon. Fuck you and your negative, individualistic, selfish view of humanity.

Of course society can do something. Tell me something, will you? My neighbours are more wealthy than me. They have a decent car and their house contains some nice furniture. They are elderly and I am much fitter than them. Why don't I break into their house and take their good stuff? What is stopping me? Please explain this to me without making any reference to society.

I did not say that they should be chastised. If they are willing to take risks, then it is not my place to stop them.

I did not say that women shouldn't leave the house. I merely suggest reasonable precautions when they do leave. In fact, who is to say that they cannot be raped in their own house. Prevention should always come first.

Jamiet, the law is in your way. You would go to jail if you broke into the hypothetical neighbor's house. There are also laws in place to put rapists in jail.

Also, your ad hominem attacks make you little better than krellin.