If the fleet convoyed army to neutral tunis in spring and it moved to NAfr in the autumn then everyone could be eliminated.

nope, because the only way to displace a unit is with a support...you can only support from the oceans.

Impossible maniac. To disband the last fleet and just leave the army would require the fleet owner to be eliminated.

As far as the rest, disbands can also occur when dislodged. Careful dislodging would preserve the colors as long as the dislodgements occured on an SC in Spring and the dislodging unit returned to it's original territory so as not to take the SC. Dislodging on non-SCs would be problematic. Sea zones could be dislodged anytime.

The real challenge would be getting inner land units dislodged without screwing up the color schemes.

Read the above posts from Draug and SD that clarify my proposal. Reaching a board state with only two armies exiled in Africa is possible while not eliminating any players.

It can even be done while maintaining the map coloring property that there are no adjacent land territories with the same color. It would just take time and careful preparation. A helpful key is that SCs don't change color if vacated before the fall and that fleets can be easily dislodged and disbanded at sea.

We actually could do this. Just plop Austria(?) into NAf, change ownership of Tunis to whoever the fleet owner is going to be, then do the convoy. Of course, this will be after lots of disbanding. Oh. gods. It would take forever. o.O

LET'S DO IT!!

OK, with a detailed review of the board, Bohemia makes it impossible. It can't do a spring move to an SC that gets it a convoy to one of it's own coastal SCs, nor can it independently reach one of it's own territories in a year. It would have to change the color of something. Now, it could get to Tri and change the color, but still keep the patchwork because nothign it owns borders Tri.

The inner land units can all reach a coastal SC within two hops traveling via an SC (in the spring) and landing on an SC that can be recolored in the fall. Putting them on the coast makes them easier for disbanding from fleet dislodgements. You'll also have to put everyone in purgatory along the way and leave one guy with only two SCs with an ay and fleet, while keeping another with only one army.

Do *not* dislodge/disband fleets until the end.

I kind of wish I could participate in this one as it is a cool puzzle and I love puzzles.

Well, Draug, if you can figure our season by season moves that preserve the board while eliminating units, then we will all do as you suggest. I think it'd be cool. Also, if one of the players wants out and you want in, I think the mods can make that adjustment especially since this game is just a sandbox.

I coudl figure the board mostly, but my Germany/Austria color distinguishing sucks. If i suggest one (look closely) that causes a GermanyAustria problem, let me know.

thanks for jumpin on this draug

It's fall, so no armies move. Period. We need to get something non English up norht, so Eng to Iri and MAO to Eng. Thjat's all I'd do this fall. There are already some good popping setups for the spring.

copying your message into the game. what you could do is message me move sets and I will paste them into the game chat log.

On the boh question, it can work, the french unit gets convoyed to its french territory in turkish lands, and boh moves down to rum.

Get everyone to finalize too so we aren't waitning three days and always remember, disband, not retreat, and never build.

We have a problem in Russia though as he still owns Sev. We need to get an English or French unit in there to take it. And Germany still has Ber (Eng or ITaly can do it). Austria still has Vie (Must be England on it). England, Italy, Turkey, and France are fine.

No, cause boh would discolor Gal as soon as it touched it. We'd have to recolor it after wards by moving the french unit back. I was trying to do this without altering any colors that would actually even temporarily screw up the patchwork.

But Ber needs to change hand any how and Boh could do that.

What if we let France go Gal-Rum-Sev, then let Russia retake Sev, then he can do a fleet sneak the next two years to leave Black?

Please post the final requests for seasons.

YEah, France getting Sev and Boh getting Mun is perfect. Then pop Sev in the spring with Arm help and back into Bla again. We can even use it as an opportunity for France to pop the sev fleet. One less to work out of bla with a fleet sneak.

Fall is still as I said. We want to maintain staus quo amnd start with the spring stuff.

Eng - Iri
MAO - Eng

Draug, one of the rules I used in making the map is no two territories in one country could be owned by the same nation. I also tried to give everyone five SCs, excepting Turkey, so that there was a general equality of color representation. We may have to make some color adjustments after the army eliminations.

OK, so we convoy turkey to norway and frech fleet in GoL moves to Spa puts russia down to 3 SCs now and 2 when Sev falls. then we give him Tun while taking away Tri and he becomes the 1 SC nation at the end.

Ugh. Well, berlin is OK under italian control but Russia is seven territories in size. Trying to do that woith non-SC territories is gonna be a challenge cause we have to take away Russia owning Sev.

If france gets Sev, then England should get StP and Russia get Fin as Turkey will be taking Nwy right now. that maintains the patchwork while not violating the one territory per nation rule in russia.

I assume independent SCs at the start don't count as being in a given nation?

In preparation, have Nth convoy Bel to Nwy. Next fall it will convoy Den to Nwy and Nwy will move into Fin while Gal-Rum-Sev, Mun-Kie-Mun, and Boh-Mun-Ber next year.

Orders now knowing the new additional parameters of the puzzle and my own refusal to allow a redraw of a discoloration:

Eng-Iri
MAO-Eng
Bel-Nmy ByLand
Nth C Bel-Nwy
NwS-Bar
Ion-Aeg
EMed-Ion