Norway is English, it has to be unless you remove Germany's guarantee of Belgium, Holland, and Denmark.

I think Germany shouldn't be allowed into Burgundy unless France is also.

I'm not sure what this question means.

I say yes to Turkey in Armenia, but only if he's not allowed to influence Rumania in any way (Austria would be free to if he chose.)

If you look at it simply, any rules should be used to even the odds towards the obvious underdog (Germany, Austria, Turkey)

But I think too many rules would make the game predictable and extremely repetitive.

Rules List: (revised)


Rule #1: You cannot attack your allies.

Rule #2: France and Britain may not contest German gains on Holland, Belgium, and Denmark for the first year.

***Rule #3: Russia may not contest German gain on Sweden for the first two years.

Rule #4: Russia may not contest the Black Sea with Turkey for the first year.

***Rule #5: France may not enter Burgandy during Spring 1901.

Rule #6: Turkey and Austria-Hungary may not contest Russian gain on Rumania for the first year.

***Rule #7: Austria-Hungary has uncontested access to Galicia for the first year.

Rule#8: Turkey may not enter Armenia for the first year.


Rule #8: Winning side shares in the pot equally.

***May be modified.

You might have missed my comment, but would Rule 3 prevent Russia from supporting England into Sweden?

And also, what about an ally bouncing an enemy out of a friend's centres? Say if Germany was to move on Marse but Italy wanted to bounce him? Could he? But then if Germany didn't move on Marse, Italy will have taken France's centre.

If the idea is that it should be 3 players sharing units against 4 players, rule one undermines that.

Consider this from the board game's rulebook:

"Two Players: This version can be played as a World War I simulation. One player controls England/France/Russia while the other plays Austria/Germany/Turkey. Italy is neutral and Italian territory can’t be entered. The game begins in 1914. Before the Fall 1914 adjustments, flip a coin. Italy joins the winner of the toss in Spring 1915. The first player to control 24 supply centers wins."

Ahh, a loophole. If England's doing the attacking then no.

But it is alright for England to bounce Germany out of Sweden or perhaps take it for himself?

With rule number 3, Russia will always move to the Baltic, consider that.

"And also, what about an ally bouncing an enemy out of a friend's centres? Say if Germany was to move on Marse but Italy wanted to bounce him? Could he? But then if Germany didn't move on Marse, Italy will have taken France's centre.

If the idea is that it should be 3 players sharing units against 4 players, rule one undermines that."



That's a good one. Italy can try to bounce Germany out but if Italy takes France's supply center then it has to be given back unless Germany is still threatening Marseilles and with France's permission(both must be met).

Perhaps I should be more specific with that rule.

I think the rule should be: No player can move into a supply centre province of another ally's without the express permission of said ally.

i like the rule book version. it does allow for better maneuvers if Austria does not have to worry about fighting off Italy in the first year.

I think attacking ones allies should be allowed, there is benefit in say, turkey giving up a center to austria in order to get a build up in a center closer to the front lines. And it is more true to the rule book version. what does the rule book say about the centers, are they all treated as 1 countries?

Oh, and the historical correctness of Italy being neutral in the onset of WWI is a nice touch too.

You are full of ideas, Geofram. Thanks for helping me.


Rules List: (revised)


Rule #1: You cannot attack your allies or move into another ally's supply center without express permission of said ally. Also, permission may only be granted as long as it does not violate the site's metagaming rules.

Rule #2: France and Britain may not contest German gains on Holland, Belgium, and Denmark for the first year.

***Rule #3: Russia and England may not contest German gain on Sweden for the first two years.( For England, only in self defense)

Rule #4: Russia may not contest the Black Sea with Turkey for the first year.

***Rule #5: France may not enter Burgandy during Spring 1901.

Rule #6: Turkey and Austria-Hungary may not contest Russian gain on Rumania for the first year.

***Rule #7: Austria-Hungary has uncontested access to Galicia for the first year.

Rule #8: Turkey may not enter Armenia for the first year.

***Rule #9: The Russian fleet in St. Petersburg must stay docked in St. Petersburg until Spring 1902.

Rule #10: Winning side shares in the pot equally.

***May be modified.

P.S... I don't think it's metagaming to take an ally's supply center with their permission. There are others that might, though.

Any new suggestions?

Sorry, had to shower, let me catch up.

I'm not sure I understand what England can and cannot do with the new rule 3.

And I wasn't suggesting that Russia always moving to the Baltic was something that needed to be prevented (@ rule 9)

@ Digit, rule book:

"supply-center ownership is computed for each individual country, even though the same person plays more than one country. As with the regular rules, adjustments must be made by each country in accordance with its supply-center holdings."

Not that anything different could apply if played here on webDip.

It's not being prevented indefinitely. And with England, If Germany attacks Norway then England may attack Sweden if a counterattack is possible.

What if England attacks Sweden to prevent German occupation (bounce)?

Russia is not allowed to move out of St. P, isn't allowed to move to Gal, and isn't allowed to move to Black Sea. His only opening moves assuming that Warsaw and/or Sev will be attacked are:

F-Sev to Armenia or Rumania
A-Moscow to Ukr or Sev
A-Warsaw to Ukr

But any of his moves will almost have to be defensive.

Well, it's four against three. But Russia needs an attacking option as well.

Hmm... need to do some thinking....

What if Russia gets access to the Black Sea? Surely that should help.

If the intention is to not have Russia die quickly then it needs the Black Sea at least.

My thoughts:

Russia can move the fleet and help England take Norway in the first year if he wants, but can't take it for himself.

My biggest concern is that the naval power in the Med will be completely one-sided. Italy won't get enough builds and France will have to defend against Germany out of Burgundy.

Italy cannot move on Munich in the first year.

Remove the rules concerning Rumania and Galacia.

But I suppose the naval power in the north will be just as one-sided.

I don't think opening the Black Sea to Russia will do much unless you make it exclusive for him (otherwise they will always bounce,) but then you entirely limit Turkey's moves and you can't do that.

Suggestion of Revised Rules.

No player may move to an ally's controlled centre without the express permission of the owner.

England and France cannot contest Belgium, Holland, and Denmark until they are occupied by a German force in an Autumn round. (They can move there in a Spring round, but cannot control or build from the centre until Germany has previously done so.)

Italy may not move on Munich in 1901.
France may not move on Burgundy in 1901.
Russia may not move on Sweden in 1901.
Russia may not move on Black Sea in 1901.
Turkey may not move on Armenia in 1901.

I can't think of any more, but I honestly believe the rules can and should be as simple as that.

I have no idea how the rule about Bel, Hol, and Den would work, if Germany unknowingly bounced them and they took it, the rule would break itself.

Perhaps it would just be best to say that they just can't move to any of the three in 1901.

Thinking......

Germany will most likely cripple France if he is allowed to move into Burgandy. And
if you limit Turkey's moves then naval power in the Mediteranean won't be so one sided.
But you don't want to limit any one power too much....hmm....