He has no competent opponent to threaten him.

Doesn't Obama realize that spending tax dollars on infrastructure projects creates on time jobs, not self-sustaining long term jobs.
In Obama's Keynesian lunacy taking $500 Billion from the private sector through taxation, filtering it through a bloated government bureaucracy and spending the $490 Billion that is left over on infrastructure projects creates exactly ZERO growth because even though the government side of the ledger grows by $490 Billion the private sector shrank by $490 Billion and the government jobs created didn't produce any profit that would make them self-sustaining, but leaving the money in the private sector would have created self-sustaining jobs.

Why is he so clueless? Because he has never run a business in his life.

Rick Perry cannot take the oath of office as President of the United States soon enough.

We need vibrant job growth in the private sector not unsustainable spending in the government sector.

After reading your post Ghug it's obvious I'm the only competent poster in this thread. Meet the mute button. I don't have time for morons like you.
Bye Bye.

he has no competent critic in this thread as of yet

I'm really too lazy to argue with an idiot who has shown in other threads that he only cares about his own opinions, so this is my last post in this thread unless other people want to have a real discussion. You failed to respond to the one-sentence argument I quickly made with no support because you annoyed me, but not enough to warrant a full response.

Rick Perry won't be able to win the election because his politics are too extreme. Obama hasn't done a great job in office, and if the situation were different there would be a very good chance of him losing terribly, but as is, the public is unlikely to vote for any of the Republican nominees over him.

Did I really get him to mute me in one post? This is a good day.

You need to run a business to understand the National Economy! Hurrumph Hurrumph rumph rumph rumph.

Like Dwight D. Eisenhower who precided over the post war boom! Harumph rumph rumph rumph

Oh wait, he didnt...

Like John F. Kennedy! Harumph rumph rumph rumph rumph

Oh wait, HE didn't either...

OK I guess like Lyndon Baynes Johnson! Harumph rumph rumph rumph RUMPH!

Uh... next?

Like Richard Nixon Harumph Harumph Harumph Harumph!

No? COME ON

Perhaps Gerald Ford?

No.

Like The Great *Angelic Sound* Ronald Reagan Republican Hero! HAAAAAARUMPH

What? Not him either?

Clinton? No

So since WWII the Presidents who were business owners before the presidency were.
*Drumroll*
Harry Truman
Jimmy Carter
George H.W. Bush
George W. Bush

Rumph?

Obama is vulnerable to losing. That does not mean he will. Perry might piss too many people off, Romney''s complete lack of convictions might turn too many people away. The others are sideshows with a slight chance at the VP slot (I think Rubio or Daniels are locks there).

A year is a long time. Anything could happen. Republicans should avoid triumphalism here, since Obama, while weakened over the summer, is far from beaten. I think this election will be very, very close.

infrastructure projects in itself maybe does not creates long term jobs, but a better infrastructure itself does has great benefits for economy. And lately, i heard most US states did not do a very well job on maintenance last 30 years ofso, i think he can hit two fly's in one jab. (translated duch verb :) )

It's still a year away, a lot can happen. But you're right that if the election were held today he is a one-term President. It seems a lot of Americans have completly tuned Obama out, his rhetoric doesn't play well if people don't want to bother to listen. In 2012 his only hope will be to run on scare-tactics. If his jobs plan is just more "shovel-ready" projects that allow people to work for a few months (in my state they paved the same stretch of highway 3 times under the last stimulus) then collect unemployment in the winter, as a lot of construction workers do, the GOP and the American people have every right to laugh him off the stage.

I personally think the GOP field is a bit weak as the front-runners have some flaws. I would have liked to see Ryan or Christie jump-in, but alas. Romney is not a reliable conservative and has the albatross of MASScare around his neck. Perry has an "image" of extremism, but I think he is more moderate than people are willing to admit. I do like Perry's view on the 10th Amendment, ("If a state wants to allow gay marraige it's within their right under the 10thamendment.") however, the 10th Amendment isn't an easy to sell to the average voter. As for Bachmann, Perry's entrance into the race ruined her.

Also the other problem is most (not all) of the people who lost thier jobs in the last 5 years have been white-collar workers, not blue-collar workers. So unless this next phase sets up an accounting/teaching/call center with a legal dept. It's not going to put a dent in the unemployment rate.

TC I disagree with you, therefore I am a lackwit leftist ideologue fool and must be muted please.

Romney can't beat him. Rick Perry is just a Bush clone and no one wants a third term of bush. The candidate who stacks up best against obama is Ron Paul. Ron Paul can take the young vote from obama, as well as some of the black vote interestingly enough. The latino's also seem to like him. All three of those factions would never vote for rick perry or romney.

where is this info about Blacks and Latinos liking ron paul?

Great understatement "Obama is vulnerable." LOL!

I also love the Perry might "piss too many people off."
The more accurate statement is Obama "has pissed to many people off."

I absolutely love the collective delusion on this board.
You can tell there are few business people on here.
In business you can't afford illusions or false assumptions. They cost you money, clients, and can lead to your demise.
You learn that the truth is the truth no matter what you want to believe or hope for and that you ignore the truth at your own peril.

The people who support Obama have these delusions.
The truth is more and more government is not the answer.
Government doesn't create self-sustaining jobs. FDR founds this out when his New Deal failed year after year. LBJ found this out when he took the Kennedy economy and destroyed it with the Great Society. Nixon-Ford-Carter all were blind to this truth also, though you have to give Jimmy some points for coming around at the end.
Carter finally abandoned the New Deal mentality and deregulated the airlines.
Look at those results.

The issue in America isn't discrimination. It isn't women's rights. It isn't the environment. It isn't global warming.
The issue is the economy and the government is destroying the economy.

Obama has no chance in the 2012 election. For all of your ignorant fools who believe he does, and I call you ignorant not out of my own belief but based on historical fact just go look at the presidential polls throughout 1979 and 1980. They showed Carter in contention, but look at the election results that the polls didn't understand until the end, massive landslide against Big Government.

2012 is simply a repeat. It's funny how many Obama supporters have their heads in the sand after 2010.

Excellent point Victorious.
The problem is that Obama didn't rebuild the infrastructure with his first stimulus.
If you look at the reports on it 25% of the first stimulus was spent on infrastructure and the rest totally wasted. Hundreds of billions of totally wasted political pork barrel spending.
Why intelligent people ignore this fact is beyond me. American voters aren't ignoring it.
Obama ran up more deficits in two years than were run up in the entire 20th century.
He didn't fix the infrastructure doing this either.
This is exactly what will destroy him and the Democratic party in 2012.
The destruction is well underway as well, remember 2010?

TJ218, absolutely correct. A lot can happen.
The economy can't get even worse and it will. How do I know this. I'm in business and work with business people. No one is going to do anything to expand with Obama in office because the man and his team are utter economic idiots.
Endless regulatory expansion, endless calls for more and more taxation, Obamacare, failure to approve free trade agreements, the NRLB run amok, massive federal subsidies of unionized state workers, the list is virtually endless.
If you wanted to write a script about what economic mistakes to make to kill a recovery and destroy job creation just read a history of Obama administration economic action.
If you wanted to write a scrip

TJ218, absolutely right on the white collar side of the coin. Impressive!

Just because you think he is doing a terrible job (as do I) does not mean that he won't win the next election. Lets face it, society in general is not that informed about how politics and the economy works, and they like charismatic leaders and have a thing for incumbents.

Prussian is completely ignorant of Rick Perry's history with the Latino vote in Texas.
How do people live their lives with such erroneous illusions that could so easily be brought into reality with just the slightest intellectual curiosity.
Texas is one of the most heavily populated Latino states in the country. When was the last time it went blue?
New Mexico just elected a Republican governor who ran on a platform of reversing Bill Richardson's programs.
A blanket statement that a Republican can't get elected because of the Hispanic vote is about as uninformed an inaccurate as I've seen, but there are a multitude of these types of posts on this board.

I think Rick Perry has a legitimate shot at taking the election, but he would have to be very careful in the race not to come off as "too extreme". Once/if he gets the Republic nomination he will take much more moderate stances on issues to appeal to the general population and has a great chance to defeat Obama. I don't think you can count Obama out though.

Perry is already moderate.
He supports the dream act and immigration reform bordering on amnesty.
He simply isn't a Big Government loving liberal statists.
Obama is dead because he is economically inept. Can someone please point to Obama's success for me?
Outside of massive debts and massive expansion of the scope and size of government what has Barack done in office domestically?

Tom, my opinion is not the truth, but my opinion is that Obama is has no chance of winning the 2012 against either Perry or Romney.
Just because you think Obama has a chance does not mean that he will win the next election.
I would refer you to the last three election cycles, 2006, 2008, and 2010.
If you look at those results you will find that incumbency was a handicap in those elections instead of a benefit. In those three elections more incumbents were voted out of office in total than reelected.

I agree with your statements. But, I don't think that means that Obama is doomed. It matters little that Perry is fairly moderate, it is how he is portrayed and viewed by the public that matters.

The same thing goes for Obama. If he can create an illusion of a growing economy, he could be right back in it. It is not that hard to deceive the general population.

Society in general is not informed about how the economy works.

What an utterly preposterous and indefensible statement.

The truth is that society is much more informed than the isolated group of government officials about how the economy works.

Spending money on infrastructure grows the economy because it raises productivity. The money is better spent there, because no one but the government will do it. It's the same as running as business in this case TC - if you invest money now in something more efficient, you will recoup your losses. If it was a good investment that is.

And with our crumbling infrastructure, it most certainly is. The money and jobs provided now are a fringe benefit. Also, that 490 billion dollars you mentioned goes right back to the private sector since it is paid to workers who consume and to contracting companies and to raw materials suppliers.

The smart money is on a new stimulus or else we'll end up like Europe. We are headed that way and are at an inflection point. Act or don't act. Spending must be cut - and plans should be made for the medium term. But the short term reality is that if we stifle or destroy the weak ass recovery we will fuck the world economy up for years to come and may never recover as a country.

Rick Perry cannot win. Google Cameron Todd Willingham.

Thucy, you are destined for a political education.
Google "reality"