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Tolstoy (1962 D)
02 Dec 10 UTC
Rank the diplo territories in order of importance using Instant Runoff Voting (IRV)
Vote for the territories you feel are important by listing them in order of importance.
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Agent K (0 DX)
18 Nov 10 UTC
Grand Festive High Wizard Tournament
Where is Abgemacht? What is the status of ye old tournament? I know my games are over
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stratagos (3269 D(S))
06 Dec 10 UTC
Crapity
Xmas approachs.
My wife wants to know what I want
I don't actually *want* anything.
Suggestions?
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numberzero (127 D)
04 Dec 10 UTC
Pushing on to win after a major CD is poor sportsmanship
Or after a first turn CD; especially if more than one. At least thats how I view it.
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Crazy Anglican (1067 D)
05 Dec 10 UTC
A December Holiday Survey
Please respond if you so choose.
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goldfinger0303 (3157 DMod)
06 Dec 10 UTC
Austria needed.
We deliberately left you some room to grow, so its not like you're just jumping in to be killed
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Hirsute (161 D)
05 Dec 10 UTC
The best books of all time
I've been working on a list of the supposed "best books of all time" to act as a sort of reading list for myself. I finished it tonight and I figured I'd post it here to see what people think.
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Hirsute (161 D)
05 Dec 10 UTC
The list was made by looking up every top-10 and top 100 list I could find on the internet, whether it be by an individual or a compilation. I then took the top 10 from each list and assigned each book points based on how many lists they appeared on and what ranking they received, as well as whether the list was in a compilation or a random internet person. The list is somewhat biased towards my personal preferences, and it contains recommendations from friends of mine. Anyways, here are the top 30:

1 - The Great Gatsby - F. Scott Fitzgerald
2 - To Kill a Mockingbird - Harper Lee
3 - 1984 - George Orwell
4 - Lolita - Vladimir Nabokov
5 - The Lord of the Rings - J.R.R. Tolkien
6 - War and Peace - Leo Tolstoy
7 - Middlemarch - George Eliot
8 - Adventures of Huckleberry Finn - Mark Twain
9 - In Search of Lost Time - Marcel Proust
10 - Pride and Prejudice - Jane Austen
11 - Madame Bovary - Gustave Flaubert
12 - Don Quixote - Miguel de Cervantes
13 - The Catcher in the Rye - J.D. Salinger
14 - Anna Karenina - Leo Tolstoy
15 - Moby-Dick - Herman Melville
16 - The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy - Douglas Adams
17 - Hamlet - Williams Shakespeare
18 - Crime and Punishment - Fyodor Dostoevsky
19 - The Brothers Karamazov - Fyodor Dostoevsky
20 - One Hundred Years of Solitude - Gabriel García Márquez
21 - Animal Farm - George Orwell
22 - Fahrenheit 451 - Ray Bradbury
23 - Catch-22 - Joseph Heller
24 - Jane Eyre - Charlotte Brontë
25 - The Sound and the Fury - Williams Faulkner
26 - His Dark Materials - Philip Pullman
27 - Frankenstein - Mary Shelley
28 - Gulliver's Travels - Jonathan Swift
28 - The Stories of Flannery O'Connor - Flannery O'Connor
30 - Heart of Darkness - Joseph Conrad
abgemacht (1076 D(G))
05 Dec 10 UTC
Pretty good.

The Great Gatsby is a pile of garbage, imho. I don't know why so many people think it's an important novel. I wasn't a huge fan of Moby Dick, either.

Be sure to throw The Road and The Godfather in that list.
Hirsute (161 D)
05 Dec 10 UTC
The Road got surprisingly few votes, and The Godfather is in the top 100.
I didn't like Gatsby much myself (I think I gave it about a 2 - 2.5 out of 5), but it seems a LOT of people like it. It was on the top or near the top of quite a few lists
abgemacht (1076 D(G))
05 Dec 10 UTC
I'm of the opinion that a lot of these books (Gatsby, Moby Dick, etc) get high praise in the literary world because they have high praise in the literary world. I don't know how the cycle started, but it's definitely there.

The Road is a much newer novel, so I feel like that hurts it in rankings. One because it just hasn't circulated enough and two because literaturists feel like a new novel can't stand up to classics.
abgemacht (1076 D(G))
05 Dec 10 UTC
Oh, Doctor Zhivago is another one that needs to be up there.
abgemacht (1076 D(G))
05 Dec 10 UTC
The Jungle, as well.
Hirsute (161 D)
05 Dec 10 UTC
Ah, but this list isn't just made up of the opinions of literaturists.
There are a few newer novels on the list, but admittedly anything new has a distinct disadvantage as fewer people will have read it. Anything that's on high school reading lists probably has a huge advantage because it means most everyone has read it. Unfortunately, when making lists such as this one, there is no way around such biases.

I think you're one of the first to list Doctor Zhivago in their top ten.
Hirsute (161 D)
05 Dec 10 UTC
.. same goes to The Jungle
abgemacht (1076 D(G))
05 Dec 10 UTC
Oh, top 10? I was just thinking of books you need to make sure you read.

Let me think...
Hirsute (161 D)
05 Dec 10 UTC
Oh, and the list is also biased towards people's top choices. Most of the books in the top 30 there are several people's favourite book of all time. There may be books out there which would appear on everyone in the world's top 20, but if it didn't make anyone's top 10, it wouldn't be on my list
Hirsute (161 D)
05 Dec 10 UTC
Yeah it's a list made up only of top ten choices. I would have done only #1's, but I just didn't have a big enough sample size.
I personally didn't like Animal Farm or Farenheit 451, and think that something like the Tale of Two Cities or Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man should be there instead
Better yet, Odysseus
numberzero (127 D)
05 Dec 10 UTC
"The Sun Also Rises" is a GREAT book.

Also "The Cossacks" by Tolstoy is a gem
Hirsute (161 D)
05 Dec 10 UTC
Oh, I should have said that I excluded James Joyce because my uncle suggested I not read his stuff yet. Portrait would certainly be on here otherwise.
Tale of two cities didn't make the top 100.
pastoralan (100 D)
05 Dec 10 UTC
If you're talking about just 30 books out of everything written, you shouldn't have 2 books by the same author. So take off Animal Farm and one of the Dostoyevsky books, and replace them with two others.

Also, 24 out of 30 of those books are written in English; you might want to look at some non-English sources. And if you're going to include SF and fantasy, you owe it to yourself to include some mysteries too. Maybe you don't read mystery novels, but the best one ever written will be pretty darn good.
Hirsute (161 D)
05 Dec 10 UTC
neither did the Odyssey, The Sun Also Rises, of The Cossacks.
Not that I'm saying those aren't great books - it just seems that not a lot of lists have them in their top 10
numberzero (127 D)
05 Dec 10 UTC
also i didn't like anna karenina as much as the cossacks.
numberzero (127 D)
05 Dec 10 UTC
also popular opinions =! quality
numberzero (127 D)
05 Dec 10 UTC
You also excluded all quiet on the western front. SHAME ON YOU. "Three Comrades" by the same author was also excellent.
Hirsute (161 D)
05 Dec 10 UTC
@pastorlan: What logic is there behind having only one book by each author? Is it not possible for a single author to write more than one great book? Also, this list isn't based on my personal preferences - it's simply an amalgamation of many other lists made by others.
Also, I only read English, so it would be very difficult for me to look at non-English sources.
And I should note that I've probably read more mystery novels than 99% of the people on this website. It's my Dad's favourite genre and thus all I ever read growing up. I count many mystery novels among my personal favourites, but very few are worthy of a top-ten list in my opinion, and it seems that most of the sources I found agree with me on that one
Hirsute (161 D)
05 Dec 10 UTC
Okay, disclaimer for all future respondents: This list is NOT based on my personal opinion.
numberzero (127 D)
05 Dec 10 UTC
I think that best is a stupid thing to do to art. art is art. art is not a cell phone or a laptop computer; where there is a technical best. This flawed reasoning on you part is just stiring up disagreements. It would have been better to just have us reccomend books to you.
abgemacht (1076 D(G))
05 Dec 10 UTC
"If you're talking about just 30 books out of everything written, you shouldn't have 2 books by the same author. "

Why?
Hirsute (161 D)
05 Dec 10 UTC
@numberzero: you may have noticed that I put "best books of all time" in quotations in the first post. This is because I only use the term because that is what is most often used for lists of this kind. I'm not claiming that The Great Gatsby is THE BEST book of all time. "Best" is entirely based on the opinion of the person reading the book. The problem with just asking individual people who book recommendations is that they are simply your opinions, which may not be the same as mine. With a list that combines the opinions of hundreds of people, there is a good chance that I will find some books that I will agree with.
abgemacht (1076 D(G))
05 Dec 10 UTC
In no particular order:

1) Dune
2) LoTR
3) The Godfather
4) The Road
5) The Rime of the Ancient Mariner
6) The Odyssey
7) A Scanner Darkly
8) War and Peace
9) The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn
10) The Jungle
Hirsute (161 D)
05 Dec 10 UTC
people *for* book recommendations, not *who*
Hirsute (161 D)
05 Dec 10 UTC
Thanks abgemacht. If I get a bunch more top 10 lists I'll update my list. I imagine every few years I'll do a new search for opinions and update the list accordingly. Eventually it should be a pretty accurate reading of the western world's opinion on literature.
numberzero (127 D)
05 Dec 10 UTC
i didn't understand your last comment. anyway. my opinion on your list (which is what you were asking) is that making that list was stupid and a bad thing to do because art does not work that way. Congrats on contributing to the popular misunderstanding of art.
Hirsute (161 D)
05 Dec 10 UTC
..and since there seems to be a lot of interest, here's #31-100
(note: entries further in the list may be more and more influenced by individuals' opinions and thus less valid - in other words, more data is needed)

31-Anne Frank: The Diary of a Young Girl-Anne Frank
31-Les Miserables-Victor Hugo
31-Slaughterhouse-Five-Kurt Vonnegut
34-Absalom, Absalom!-William Faulkner
34-Beloved-Toni Morrison
34-Blood Meridian-Cormac McCarthy
34-The Divine Comedy-Dante Alighieri
38-The Grapes of Wrath-John Steinbeck
38-To the Lighthouse-Virginia Woolf
40-Disgrace-J.M. Coetzee
41-Great Expectations-Charles Dickens
41-Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire-J.K. Rowling
43-Gone With the Wind-Margaret Mitchell
43-Invisible Man-Ralph Ellison
43-Robinson Crusoe-Daniel Defoe
46-Tristam Shandy-Laurence Sterne
46-Winnie the Pooh-A.A. Milne
48-The Godfather-Mario Puzo
49-The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe-C.S. Lewis
49-The Magic Mountain-Thomas Mann
51-Jesus' Son-Denis Johnson
51-Paradise Lost-John Milton
51-The Tale of Genji-Murasaki Shikibu
51-Tom Jones-Henry Fielding
55-Emma-Jane Austen
55-John Adams-David McCullough
55-King Lear-William Shakespeare
55-The Brief Wondrous Life of Oscar Wao-Junot Diaz
55-The Education of Henry Adams-Henry Adams
60-1776-David McCullough
60-Pilgrim’s Progress-John Bunyan
60-Song of Solomon-Toni Morrison
60-The Iliad-Homer
60-The Portrait of a Lady-Henry James
60-Up From Slavery-Booker T. Washington
66-A Distant Mirror: The Calamitous 14th Century-Barbary W. Tuchman
66-A Room of One’s Own-Virginia Woolf
66-Notes from the Underground-Fyodor Dostoevsky
66-Persuasion-Jane Austen
66-The Count of Monte Cristo-Alexandre Dumas
71-As I Lay Dying-William Faulkner
71-Oryx and Crake-Margaret Atwood
71-Silent Spring-Rachel Carson
71-Team of Rivals-Doris Kearns Goodwin
75-Bleak House-Charles Dickens
75-Children of the Arbat-Anatoli Rybakov
75-Love in the Time of Cholera-Gabriel García Márquez
75-The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire-Edward Gibbon
75-The Double Helix-James D. Watson
75-The Makers-Cory Doctorow
75-The Red Tent-Anita Diamant
75-The Stand-Stephen King
75-The Tin Drum-Gunter Grass
84-All the King's Men-Robert Penn Warren
84-Battle Cry of Freedom-James M. McPherson
84-Clarissa-Samuel Richardson
84-Daemonslayer-William King
84-Infinite Jest-David Foster Wallace
84-Medea-Euripides
84-Memoirs of a Geisha-Arthur Golden
84-Speak, Memory-Vladimir Nabokov
84-Stranger in a Strange Land-Robert A. Heinlein
84-The Bear-William Faulkner
84-The Chrysalids-John Wyndham
84-The Greek Achievement-Charles Freeman
84-The Stories of Alice Munro-Alice Munro
84-The Stranger-Albert Camus
98-Alice’s Adventures in Wonderland-Lewis Carroll
98-For the Win-Cory Doctorow
98-Jurassic Park-Michael Crichton
98-The American Language-H. L. Mencken
98-The Histories-Herodotus
98-The Name of the Rose-Umberto Eco
98-The Prime of Miss Jean Brodie-Muriel Spark
98-Tree of Smoke-Denis Johnson
98-Winesburg, Ohio-Sherwood Anderson

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Draugnar (0 DX)
05 Dec 10 UTC
World of Warcraft - Cataclysm drops Tuesday morning.
While I will continue playing games,my forum participation will be dwindling. Send a PM if you need me.
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deathpod (102 D)
06 Dec 10 UTC
Mod request. Is this the right place?
Sorry if this is the wrong place.
Game Id # 4098. Looking for an unpause hopefully. One of our players has been AWOL for 13 days and we would like to just have the game unpaused and let him slide into civil disorder so we can finish.
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Crazy Anglican (1067 D)
06 Dec 10 UTC
Greek gods and goddesses
Hi all I was wondering if you had any clip art of this nature. No nudity. To be used in a game I'm developing for a 6th grade class. Pleas post a link if you have any.
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patizcool (100 D)
06 Dec 10 UTC
wta gunboat
Come and join. We got 2, starting in 25 minutes, let's go people

http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=43500
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figlesquidge (2131 D)
28 Nov 10 UTC
Wikileaks
With wikileaks apparently on the verge of another major release of classified information, it felt about time the webDip community discussed the issue:
Should wikileaks publish sensitive information they are given, and should it be censored?
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The Lord Duke (3898 D)
05 Dec 10 UTC
Passwords
How do you find out a password if you would like to join a game?
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Maniac (184 D(B))
05 Dec 10 UTC
Come play with me
gameID=43452 please join if you can retreat and build quickly to avoid dragging a game on unnecessarily
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ormi (100 D)
04 Dec 10 UTC
fast game start soon check in!!!
http://www.webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=43360
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Tolstoy (1962 D)
01 Dec 10 UTC
Has America Become the Evil Empire?
Well, has it?
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orathaic (1009 D(B))
01 Dec 10 UTC
Should I have a problem with this?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_village

With regard the 'do you guys find this offensive thread' i came across this idea....
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Malleus (2719 D)
03 Dec 10 UTC
Sitter etiquette
I need to get a sitter, but I've never gotten one before. What's the etiquette on that? I was thinking of going through old games and finding people that I got along well with. Is that the best bet for finding someone?
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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
03 Dec 10 UTC
Happy Holidays! (And WHat I DON'T Like To See...)
Happy Channukah! (a day late...) ;) And Christmas to come...but controversy--DOES Santa Claus really exist? Oh, and then there's the matter of idiots who, instead of having a good, civil conversation (like we often have here) just decide to do the real-world equivalent of shout and troll... http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_thelookout/20101202/ts_yblog_thelookout/atheists-slick-ad-campaigns-sometimes-meet-with-resistance So let's talk here...what do you think?
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JetJaguar (820 D)
02 Dec 10 UTC
Russia 2018, Qatar 2022
Anyone else have their opinion of FIFA's leadership sink to never before imagined lows today?
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Dan Wang (1194 D)
03 Dec 10 UTC
What are public-messaging-only games like?
In your experience, do players in public-messaging-only games choose to ally and coordinate in full view of the other players, or is it more like a gunboat game but with the ability to negotiate draws amongst opposing factions, etc? Or somewhere in between?
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airborne (154 D)
04 Dec 10 UTC
Oh Civ how lowly you have fallen!
Civ V may be one of the biggest disappointment in my gaming career. No more religions! No more multible leaders! No more +/- numbers dip-o! No stable gameplay! No more crazy number of civs! On and on...and I thought Black Ops needs a couple patches, gees
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Indybroughton (3407 D(G))
03 Dec 10 UTC
GhostRatings - Take the Pledge...
...take the challenge.

I challenge every one of the top 100, as well as any player who moves up 20 spots or more, to pledge to contribute $5 via PayPal to this website. Sign your name to this thread to pledge! I'll start: INDYBROUGHTON
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pathannarris (599 D)
04 Dec 10 UTC
World Game needs players
Anyone interested in playing a semi slow world game? We need two more players in the next 15 minutes. It is called:

Conquer the World!
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orathaic (1009 D(B))
02 Dec 10 UTC
car free cities?
see sometimes i'm a little crazy...

This got me thinking : http://www.oecd.org/document/46/0,3343,en_21571361_44315115_46566894_1_1_1_1,00.html
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jonK99 (133 D)
04 Dec 10 UTC
Who is up for a 5 min. game?
Who is up for a 5 min. game?
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trip (696 D(B))
03 Dec 10 UTC
Is there a Mod in the house?
Help
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superchunk (4890 D)
02 Dec 10 UTC
Various script errors in game recently causing inability to set full moves.
Any idea what is causing this as its preventing the setting of convoys, at least for me?
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cannonfodder5 (100 D)
01 Dec 10 UTC
North Sea action
Which power has the longest staying power (pardon the repetition) in the North Sea corridor? Does France see itself in the mix?
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Thucydides (864 D(B))
02 Dec 10 UTC
Rank the diplo territories in order of importance.
You get one vote per post, and one post per page.
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